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Title: Israel was right to storm a ship bound for Gaza
Source: The Daily Beast
URL Source: http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs- ... ht-to-board-the-gaza-flotilla/
Published: Jun 2, 2010
Author: Leslie H. Gelb
Post Date: 2010-06-02 11:14:07 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 280
Comments: 30

Israel had every right under international law to stop and board ships bound for the Gaza war zone late Sunday. Only knee-jerk left-wingers and the usual legion of poseurs around the world would dispute this. And it is pretty clear that this "humanitarian" flotilla headed for Gaza aimed to provoke a confrontation with Israel. Various representatives of the Free Gaza Movement, one of the main organizers of this deadly extravaganza, have let it slip throughout Monday that their intention was every bit as much "to break" Israel's blockade of Gaza as to deliver the relief goods.

The Israeli commandos who stormed the ship, where fighting erupted, badly mishandled the situation. But theirs was a mistake in pursuit of a legal goal, not a war crime. And as for calls for international investigations, they represent the usual hypocritical nonsense that will go nowhere. Except for those who routinely fool themselves about the judiciousness and effectiveness of action by the United Nations or the European Union, everyone understands their "investigations" will amount to nothing. Only the United States might do something useful52;if the White House would only seize quickly the practical solution staring it in the face.

Regarding international law, blockades are quite legal. The United States and Britain were at war with Germany and Japan and blockaded them. I can't remember international lawyers saying those blockades were illegal52;even though they took place on the high seas in international waters. There would be a general violation only if the hostile actions against the ships took place in waters under the jurisdiction of another sovereign state. Thus, for example, if the Israelis stopped the ships in Egyptian waters, that would have been a violation.

On a more tactical level, violations could occur if the force used to block and board were "disproportionate" to the circumstances. Those friendly to Gaza aboard the ship claim disproportionality, but this is not supported by the video available. In any event, and as a practical matter, no one is going to be able to prove exactly what happened on that ship Sunday night. Nonetheless, the overriding facts remain that Gazan leaders proclaim their goal is to destroy Israel, have tried for years to do so by missile attacks and terrorism, and that Israel has every right to protect itself under international law, including by blockades in international waters.

As for what the planners of this "humanitarian" flotilla had in mind, just listen to what the leaders of this enterprise have been saying. Greta Berlin, a leader of the pro-Palestinian Free Gaza Movement, told The New York Times that the Israeli claim that the people aboard the ship intended violence was preposterous. She argued that it was inconceivable that the civilian passengers on board would have been "waiting up to fire on the Israeli military, with all its might." By that keen logic, no Palestinian ever would have fired upon a militarily superior Israeli. We seem to know otherwise.

Or listen to Huwaida Arraf, one of the Free Gaza Movement leaders. She said on Sunday before the incident that the boats would steam forward to Gaza "until they either disable our boats or jump on board." How on earth did she expect that strategy would not lead to violence?

On what remains of the old Lehrer News Hour, Adam Shapiro, another Free Gaza guy, said Monday night that the flotilla aimed to break the blockade as well as deliver aid. Well, of course, no one asked him how he thought the blockade would be broken without violence. It couldn't52;unless the flotilla escaped detection. And with six ships in the flotilla, that was highly unlikely.

So, the Free guys and gals achieved their real purpose52;to provoke the Israelis, hope they did stupid things (which they did by boarding the ship with commandos who weren't prepared to do this job), and stirred international outrage.

Ah, the international outrage. Turks, French, all leaders large and small condemned Israel and called for international commissions. Ban Ki-Moon, the United Nations Secretary-General, said he was "shocked" by the attack. He condemned the violence, and added: "It is vital that there is a full investigation to determine exactly how this bloodshed took place. I believe Israel must urgently provide a full explanation."

Well, where was all that international outrage and demand for explanations and retribution when the North Koreans sunk a South Korean ship? Where was it when the Gazans attacked Israel? Where, when Afghan men flogged their women for not wearing veils? Where, when Saudi Arabia funds terrorists around the world? This international outrage is highly selective, isn't it? The one consolation is that the international community, such as it has become, doesn't get anything of value done.

Which puts matters in the American lap, as usual. There is a reasonable solution to this terrible dilemma: The Gazan people are in need of food and medicine, and Israel must protect itself against Gazan terrorists. President Obama should propose this simple arrangement: First, those wishing to bring humanitarian aid to Gaza agree to land aircraft, dock ships, and use land checkpoints all reasonably designated by Israel for inspection of contents. Second, Israel agrees to inspect cargoes within two to three days, and allow all humanitarian goods to proceed to Gaza immediately.

The United States surely has the power to accomplish this. It would prevent much needless killing and haggling and phony posturing around the world. And if one or both sides rejected the deal, then that one, or the both of them, are on their own.

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Well, where was all that international outrage and demand for explanations and retribution when the North Koreans sunk a South Korean ship? Where was it when the Gazans attacked Israel? Where, when Afghan men flogged their women for not wearing veils? Where, when Saudi Arabia funds terrorists around the world? This international outrage is highly selective, isn't it?

The faux 'outrage' speaks for itself.

Read somewhere this morning these 'peaceful passengers' had stun grenades and used them.

For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-02   11:17:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Badeye (#1)

Read somewhere this morning these 'peaceful passengers' had stun grenades and used them.

In your world no one is entitled to defend themselves, when attacked by commandos in the dead of night. I doubt you really support the 2nd amendment, as you show yourself time and time again to always support the nanny/police state.

Making the world safe for United Fruit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-06-02   11:23:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Israel had every right under international law to stop and board ships bound for the Gaza war zone late Sunday.

Now it's the "Gaza War Zone".

ROFLMAO.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-06-02   11:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: war (#3)

You don't think Hamas is at war with Israel?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-06-02   11:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: war (#3)

Now it's the "Gaza War Zone".

ROFLMAO.

Well it is in the vast israel world wide sphere of safety which they feel they are entitled to patrol as they see fit. God sez so.

Making the world safe for United Fruit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-06-02   11:40:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mininggold (#2)

Why'd Cyprus deny these ships from entering their harbor?

As for your rant...its ridiculous, and totally undermined by my stated views.

Finally, why did these 'peaceful passengers' have stun grenades?

I don't have any. I own semi auto pistols. Revolers. Rifles, Assault Rifles, various shotguns, and some more exotic weaponry.

But nope...no stun grenades.

Why'd they have them? Why did Cyprus deny them their port?

For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-02   11:51:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Badeye (#6)

Finally, why did these 'peaceful passengers' have stun grenades?

Wha...huh?

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-06-02   11:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Badeye (#6)

I don't have any. I own semi auto pistols. Revolers. Rifles, Assault Rifles, various shotguns, and some more exotic weaponry.

But nope...no stun grenades.

"Hey...I own several thermo nuclear devices, but 'stun grenades' are waaaaaay out of my league..."

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-06-02   11:58:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Badeye (#6)

Why'd Cyprus deny these ships from entering their harbor?

As for your rant...its ridiculous, and totally undermined by my stated views.

Finally, why did these 'peaceful passengers' have stun grenades?

I don't have any. I own semi auto pistols. Revolers. Rifles, Assault Rifles, various shotguns, and some more exotic weaponry.

But nope...no stun grenades.

Why'd they have them? Why did Cyprus deny them their port?

Sorry but all evidence has now been contaminated by the actions of the israelis. Of course they are hoping dupes like you will bite and throw out strawmen.

Making the world safe for United Fruit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-06-02   11:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: war (#8)

Hey...I own several thermo nuclear devices, but 'stun grenades' are waaaaaay out of my league..."

Stun granades can be bought on line or maybe the israelis are calling seal bombs stun granades. Who knows? Since they have such a great record of honesty.

Making the world safe for United Fruit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-06-02   12:01:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mininggold (#9)

Why'd they have them? Why did Cyprus deny them their port?

For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-02   12:07:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Badeye (#11)

Why'd they have them? Why did Cyprus deny them their port?

Every ship has stun grenades silly they are called SEAL BOMBS. I have no idea nor do I care why Cyprus denied them port.

Making the world safe for United Fruit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-06-02   12:11:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: mininggold (#12)

I have no idea nor do I care why Cyprus denied them port.

Cause they're not Juze?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-06-02   12:13:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: mininggold (#12) (Edited)

Cyprus denied them port on the return. They also denied EU Parliament members exit from any port to join the flotilla. Most likely Cyprus was bribed to do so.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-06-02   12:13:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: no gnu taxes (#13)

I have no idea nor do I care why Cyprus denied them port.

Our resident anti semite knows the answer to this basic question...(chuckle)

For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-02   12:15:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: mininggold (#12)

Every ship has stun grenades

Every ship?

Every single ship?

rotflmao.

For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-02   12:16:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: war (#14)

Cyprus denied them port on the return. They also denied EU Parliament members exit from any port to join the flotilla. Most likely they were bribed to do so.

Badeye was in the Navy but never heard of Seal Bombs. LOL

I'm sure you are right about the bribery or israeli threats to Cyprus especially since it's such a BE talking point today.

Making the world safe for United Fruit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-06-02   12:17:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: mininggold (#17)

I have no idea nor do I care why Cyprus denied them port.

lmao

For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-02   12:19:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Badeye (#15)

Of all the Internet "I hate Juze" posters, that's got to be the furthest out there, and that's saying a lot.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-06-02   12:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Badeye (#16)

Every ship?

Every single ship?

rotflmao.

Yes if they are in areas where seals can cause problems. Since you were in the Navy you should know this.

Making the world safe for United Fruit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-06-02   12:21:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: mininggold (#17)

Badeye was in the Navy but never heard of Seal Bombs. LOL

He was too busy waiting for the "go" order...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-06-02   12:22:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: no gnu taxes (#19) (Edited)

Of all the Internet "I hate Juze" posters, that's got to be the furthest out there, and that's saying a lot.

Do you hate all non Jews? Or just worship all things israeli?

Making the world safe for United Fruit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-06-02   12:22:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: mininggold (#22)

Do you ever make any statements that don't suggest an obsession with the Juze being your bogeymen?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-06-02   12:27:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: no gnu taxes (#19)

Of all the Internet "I hate Juze" posters, that's got to be the furthest out there, and that's saying a lot.

Yep. Most of them are better at concealing the insanity.

For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-02   12:30:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: no gnu taxes (#23)

A quick glance through the database says Nope....(chuckle)

For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-02   12:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: mininggold (#20)

Every single ship?

lmao

For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-02   12:31:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: no gnu taxes (#23)

Do you ever make any statements that don't suggest an obsession with the Juze being your bogeymen?

Why should you care or do you hate the 1st amendment too? Really there is a country in the ME that shares the same theocratical leanings as you do, why do you not go and help them fight the savages on their borders.

Making the world safe for United Fruit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-06-02   12:59:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Badeye (#26)

To: mininggold

Every single ship? lmao

Only ships that are well maintained and prepared for emergencies. Your vast Navy training must have escaped you.

Making the world safe for United Fruit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-06-02   13:01:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Badeye (#25)

A quick glance through the database says Nope....(chuckle)

So what? A quick look through the database sez you never criticize israel. (Chuckle for the chuckler)

Making the world safe for United Fruit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-06-02   13:04:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: mininggold (#29)

So what? A quick look through the database sez you never criticize israel.

Only because a Pollard or other thread along those lines hasn't come up in my time here, kookie.

For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-02   13:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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