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Title: House Votes to Allow Repeal of ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Law
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NY Times
URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/28/us/politics/28tell.html?ref=us
Published: May 28, 2010
Author: By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN and CARL HULSE
Post Date: 2010-05-28 09:17:38 by war
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WASHINGTON — The House voted Thursday to let the Defense Department repeal the ban on gay and bisexual people from serving openly in the military, a major step toward dismantling the 1993 law widely known as “don’t ask, don’t tell.” The provision would allow military commanders to repeal the ban. The repeal would permit gay men and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time. It was adopted as an amendment to the annual Pentagon policy bill, which the House is expected to vote on Friday. The repeal would be allowed 60 days after a Pentagon report is completed on the ramifications of allowing openly gay service members, and military leaders certify that it would not be disruptive. The report is due by Dec. 1. The House vote was 234 to 194, with 229 Democrats and 5 Republicans in favor, after an emotionally charged debate. Opposed were 168 Republicans and 26 Democrats. Supporters of the repeal hailed it as a matter of basic fairness and civil rights, while opponents charged that Democrats and President Obama were destabilizing the military to advance a liberal social agenda. “On Memorial Day, America will come together and honor all who served our nation in uniform,” Speaker Nancy Pelosi said in a floor speech, noting the symbolic timing of the debate. “I urge my colleagues to vote for the repeal of this discriminatory policy of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ and make America more American.” Separately on Thursday, the Senate Armed Services Committee approved a similar measure allowing the repeal. The vote, in a closed session, was 16 to 12, with one Republican, Senator Susan Collins of Maine, in favor of the repeal, and one Democrat, Senator Jim Webb of Virginia, in opposition. Senator Carl Levin, Democrat of Michigan and chairman of the committee, said he believed that the full Senate would support permitting the repeal. Like the House amendment, the Senate measure, which is expected to come up for a vote soon, would allow Pentagon leaders to revoke the ban 60 days after the military study group completes its report and President Obama, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, certify that it would not hamper military readiness and effectiveness or “unit cohesion.” Mr. Obama and Mr. Gates favor repealing the ban, as does Admiral Mullen, who, in testimony before the Armed Services Committee in February, called for a repeal. In a statement, Mr. Obama said he was “pleased” by the votes. “This legislation will help make our armed forces even stronger and more inclusive by allowing gay and lesbian soldiers to serve honestly and with integrity,” he said. But chiefs of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines have objected. In letters solicited by Senator John McCain of Arizona, the senior Republican on the Armed Services Committee, they urged Congress to delay voting on the issue until after the Defense Department completed its report. After the committee vote, Mr. McCain said he would continue to fight a repeal when the bill reached the Senate floor. “I think it’s really going to be really harmful to the morale and battle effectiveness of our military,” he said. Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, who sponsored the repeal measure, said, “The ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy doesn’t serve the best interests of our military and doesn’t reflect the best values of our country.” “Bottom line,” Mr. Lieberman, added, “thousands of service members have been pushed out of the U.S. military not because they were inadequate or bad soldiers, sailors, Marines or airmen but because of their sexual orientation. And that’s not what America is all about.” The Armed Services Committee approved the broader policy bill by a vote of 18 to 10, with Mr. Webb and Senator Scott Brown, Republican of Massachusetts, who also opposed the repeal, supporting the broader measure. With liberals in Congress being asked to vote on an unpopular war spending bill, Democratic leaders there have been pushing to finally do away with a ban that many in their party view as discriminatory and unpatriotic. The Senate approved the spending bill Thursday night and the House is expected to vote on it early next month. As the House headed toward the vote, the debate was often emotional. In a floor speech on Thursday, Representative Barney Frank, Democrat of Massachusetts, denounced the policy that requires gay men, lesbians and bisexuals to keep their sexual orientation secret if they want to serve. Mr. Frank noted that the Israeli military, which he called “as effective a fighting force as has existed in modern times,” does not bar gay men or lesbians from service. Mr. Frank, who is openly gay, also said that he would be criticized — rightly, he said — if he were to suggest that gay men and lesbians be exempted if a military draft were needed. Representative Mike Pence of Indiana, the No. 3 Republican in the House, accused Democrats of trying to use the military “to advance a liberal social agenda” and demanded that Congress “put its priorities in order.” Other Republicans said the military was a unique institution and its rules sometimes had to differ from civilian society. “We are dissing the troops, that is what we are doing,” said Representative Howard P. McKeon of California, senior Republican on the Armed Services Committee. Republicans also questioned if the military leaders who would make the final decision would be able to resist pressure from the White House to lift the ban. Democrats who backed the repeal compared the vote to the racial integration of the military and hailed the action as allowing all Americans who wanted to serve to do so. “In the land of the free and the home of the brave, it is long past time for Congress to end this un-American policy,” said Representative Tammy Baldwin, a Wisconsin Democrat who is openly gay. Democrats accused Republicans of mischaracterizing the proposal, by suggesting it would unsettle the troops. “This policy will happen only when the secretary of defense and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff stay that it is the right thing to do for this country,” said Representative Robert E. Andrews, Democrat of New Jersey.
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#1. To: war (#0)
==================================================== Yet another reason for China to view the United States as an EASY TARGET. LOG CABIN REPUBLICANS UNITE! Lieberman is what John McCain CROSSED THE AISLE FOR!
We're either ALL FREE or NONE FREE.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
The plain truth is gays in the military isn't a problem as things stood. That might change NOW, however.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
The plain truth is that you're wrong. And the witch hunts for gays increased 06/07.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
That might change NOW, however. I believe you are right, there wasn't a problem, but now, with all the stress a soldier has to deal with, they have been given a gag order on gays. If they complain about certain situations they feel uncomfortable with, who do you think stands to lose everything? I know I wouldn't want to be a gay, flaunting his nasty ass in the face of some dude who's fully armed and ready to go over the edge because he has no where to turn, and if he attempts to address it he could lose is intire career and future... Yeah, it might change....
So with bullets and other ordinance flying you believe that a gay man would be looking to get ass fucked?
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Worked with several lesbians during my time in service, they did their jobs, didn't cop an attitude at all. It just wasn't an issue. And that was long before 'don't ask, don't tell'. Its my view the only people this is really important to are those not in the military as a general observation. Yep, you can trot out a few former or current service members for a photo op, but the reality is this is pure political theater, done by those that in fact loath the military, and think anyone that serves is a 'dead ender'. Its also telling this is being done just in time for a Memorial Day that features POTUS deciding a trip to Arlington isn't worth the effort.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
You were in the service, Boof? Would have never guessed (laughing).
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
No, I'm not saying 'all', but if you think for a moment there are no arrogant, cocky, in your face fags in the military, then you are dumber than dirt. Despite what you may like to think, there are still men who will not put up with being force to tolerate being humiliated, especially by another (supposed) man, and they will react... If a straight soldier has no place to go and air any situation he finds offensive, things could get ugly! jmo!
=================================== Are you prepared for the effects of a queer army and navy? Heterophobic Hate rears its ugly head! - End of Army Gay Ban Is an Attack on Heterosexuals
How many homosexuals do you believe are currently dissuaded from joining the armed forces? Let's ask this another way...what % of the population do you believe is homosexual and of that % what % wants to join the armed forces but won't? Let's also consider the age of the people who typically volunteer for service. Of that segment, what % is either openly homosexual or beginning to live according to their partnership preference? Sorry...I am against institutional discrimination. The armed forces got over integration and chauvenism. It will, as other nations have, survive this.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Sure it did, it worked just fine, until it was made law that a man, or woman has to put up with openly gay in their face. I believe in the beginning that most soldiers, gay or straight, respected each other, but something tells me this will be different. I could be wrong, soldiers are darn great at working under tremendous stress...but humiliation, if it come up and they are foced to STFU....it could get ugly. jmo!
None of them were 'in your face' in my experience, Murron. Thats the thing, this isn't about the average service member that happens to be gay. Its about those that hate the military, think anyone that serves is a 'dead ender' stereotype of the Left. It certainly doesn't help gay service members.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
There'd only have to be one to valiudate your statement. Do you believe that there are no man on woman rapists in the Armed forces?
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
============================================================ I see you are 'PRO' You simply don't understand the damage a queer commander can do to the fighting effectiveness of a submarine, commando or recon unit, or the military as a whole. If you want proof of this, just look to China or Russia as examples. They will NEVER ALLOW homosexuals to be commanders. There is a reason for this. It takes a military mind to understand it. It is NOT simply a matter of social rights, it is a matter of national survival.
Huh?
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
The irony of course is its all volunteer, and you swear an oath. Saying this is about 'freedom' is ridiculous, but not surprising coming from those that never served, wouldn't if you held a gun to their head, and believe only dead enders volunteer for military service. Basically, your garden variety liberal.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
lol, the gays can't help it. It's all they think about.
I endorse this post ... badeye
I am "pro" having the best military possible which usually begins and ends with the person operating the weaponry executing battle strategy. I could care less if they suck cock, wear lace panties [which at least one paratrooper on D-Day did] or are republicans.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
It's not telling at all. What the fuck is telling about it. You always say that like there's some big mysterious explanation that you understand. Fuck off.
I endorse this post ... badeye
Fuck you Boofer. It's Memorial Day weekend. Shut the fuck up about your wholly unspectacular service for a change.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
lol. It's fun telling boofer off.
I endorse this post ... badeye
Ah, the site puppy yaps...(laughing) and is always the case offers nothing of importance to the give topic.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
======================================== The beginning of the 'All-Volunteer Force' of course was born out of the end of the Soviet Union, and at the time was a great triumph. The military is the whipping-post and social laboratory for liberals to expand their perverse agendas on the rest of society. They do it first to the military, and then they do it to the rest of us. George Bush promised to kill this monster, only to do a 180' in Feb, 2005 when he declared he would not pursue it any more, claiming the 'Don't Ask - Don't Tell' agenda put in place by Clinton was enough. And now look where we are.
Illiterate.
I endorse this post ... badeye
ROFLMAO... You are so fucking stupid...
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
I had no problem with 'don't ask, don't tell'. Its none of my business who you are sleeping with, what you are doing in your bedroom. Thats what I've never understood about the 'screamers' as we used to call them in Norfolk...the drag queen types. Not in the service, just in the neighborhood. THEY had a weird compulsion to make their choice of sexual partner or activities PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. I simply didn't give a damn.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
The all volunteer force began while we still had boots on the ground in the RVN.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
You are so fucking stupid... #67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
That's the excuse that the hardliners always take when the shift of societal norms overtake the military.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
AND second nature... Who do you like? Think 'Hawks do it by 6...
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Is it blasphemy to say I don't care?
I endorse this post ... badeye
No. Amazing the ennui this matchup is causing.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
No one wants to be wrong more than myself, but gays in America have become milatant, provocative, abusive, invasive, vandalistic, antagonistic, threatening, intolerant, and dangerous, and if you think for one moment everything is going to come up roses, that gays now are going to RESPECT each others beliefs and behave civily, then dream on rodney king.
I live in the city with the largest gay population in the US. My biggest customer is in SFO. I've seen none of that.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Amen to that.
More like the end of Vietnam....circa 1973.
Ironically, my anti groupie reveals his real view of anyone that served. And no, sorry, I'm a vet, deal with it. I'm not sorry it bothers either of you two losers. Some of us served. Most of us apperciate those that did. Thankfully, there is only a small minority like you two among us all.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
Chuckles...nope...just you Boofer. And my opinion is "not minority". (laughing) Some of us served. Most of us apperciate [sic] those that did. I grew up on a block with WWII veterans some of whom jumped into or stormed Normandy and some who froze toes off in the Arden. I watched their sons, my neighbors, go to the RVN. Several came back with scars. I have had relatives serve in the military for as long as I can remember and who do to this day. Out of all of these people, I know ONLY ONE person who served who contiually reminds me that he did. That would be you, Boofer.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
No one objects to vets. Everyone objects to you acting like the next thing to a fucking war hero.
I endorse this post ... badeye
Hey Fred....thanks for your service!!!! Sneaky!!! You too!!!
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
The site puppy yaps, and as is always the case, has nothing to offer of value on the topic at hand.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
Chuckles...you're sputtering Boof...
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
The rule of thumb for a vet and I've worked around thousands including some from the Spanish-American War, the more they brag about their service in the military the safer and generally more mundane their service was in the military. Also most voted DEMOCRAT until the nineties. I'm happy they were out there in any capacity though.
Making the world safe for United Fruit.
He just considers himself another elite.
Making the world safe for United Fruit.
I always stated I served 'in the rear with the gear' kookie. And its not 'bragging' to note you served.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
Chuckles...you're sputtering Boof... He just considers himself another elite. And anti groupie is using the dead to hide behind today.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
He must lack much in the self-confidence department.
Having a Memorial Day weekend thread is 'hiding behind the dead'? You really are a foreign national aren't you? I think the only military service you have seen was in the Israeli Army.
Making the world safe for United Fruit.
He's just a pathetic little man screaming for attention. He's really not much different from yukon.
Others know what I'm talking about, thats all that matters.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
What others? The Bushbots of which you say you've never met even one. lolol
Making the world safe for United Fruit.
Uh no...Boof...you ***think*** that "dark nights on the Indian Ocean waiting for the 'go order'" was a contrivance? Then there was that time that you told me you were on the Nimitz and watched the rescue mission launch.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Fuck you, Boofer. I'm right here. You're the one hiding, pussywillow. Or who claims to be anyway.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
They should go back to no gays in the military. Ronald Reagans position.
There have been gays in the military since there's been a military.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
There should be a policy of no gays in the military. It is the right thing to do.
It's an insane policy. Especially when the army is a volunteer one.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
So insane that we won the cold war. No reason to allow deviants in the service. That is what is insane.
The Cold War took 30 years to win. And there were gays in the military every day of it.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Should this guy have been booted from the US Army?
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Yeah he was schooled by Jesuits.
My youngest is as well. That aside, no Steuben and Washington's army stays fodder for the Brits and our money looks different.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Quit makeing stuff up. Fags don't belong in the military. They belong in a mental ward. If they recover then maybe.
That seems to be your fall back position on every issue we discuss. I linked you to von Steuben's Revolutionary c.v. Do you have any information to the contrary? Von Steuben was a homosexual. Von Steuben trained Washington's army which had lost nearly every battle it had fought to that point but became an effective fighting force only after a fag trained them.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
rotl. As if thats possible....
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
That is me being nice. I don't feel like ripping you a new one right now.
Chuckles...as if...
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Chuckles...as if...
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Hey Fred....thanks for your service!!!! Sneaky!!! You too! I don't deserve any thanks. I did what I did for myself and for my friends. I never wanted any stinking parade,either. I would have taken a BJ from the Johnson girls,though. No kissing,though. I have my standards.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, who sponsored the repeal measure, said the ban did not “reflect the best values of our country.”
#2. To: HAPPY2BME-ONLF (#1)
#3. To: all (#0)
#4. To: Badeye (#3)
(Edited)
The plain truth is gays in the military isn't a problem as things stood.
#5. To: Badeye (#3)
The plain truth is gays in the military isn't a problem as things stood.
#6. To: Murron (#5)
I know I wouldn't want to be a gay, flaunting his nasty ass in the face of some dude who's fully armed and ready to go over the edge because he has no where to turn, and if he attempts to address it he could lose is intire career and future...
#7. To: Murron (#5)
#8. To: Badeye, Fred Mertz (#7)
Worked with several lesbians during my time in service
#9. To: war (#6)
So with bullets and other ordinance flying you believe that a gay man would be looking to get ass fucked?
#10. To: war (#2)
We're either ALL FREE or NONE FREE.
#11. To: HAPPY2BME-ONLF (#10)
(Edited)
Are you prepared for the effects of a queer army and navy?
#12. To: Badeye (#7)
Worked with several lesbians during my time in service, they did their jobs, didn't cop an attitude at all. It just wasn't an issue. And that was long before 'don't ask, don't tell'.
#13. To: Murron (#12)
#14. To: Murron (#9)
No, I'm not saying 'all', but if you think for a moment there are no arrogant, cocky, in your face fags in the military, then you are dumber than dirt.
#15. To: war (#11)
How many homosexuals do you believe are currently dissuaded from joining the armed forces?
#16. To: Badeye (#13)
...this isn't about the average service member that happens to be gay. Its [sic] about those that hate the military, think anyone that serves is a 'dead ender' stereotype of the Left.
#17. To: HAPPY2BME-ONLF (#10)
#18. To: war (#6)
So with bullets and other ordinance flying you believe that a gay man would be looking to get ass fucked?
#19. To: HAPPY2BME-ONLF (#15)
I see you are 'PRO'
#20. To: Badeye (#7)
(Edited)
Its also telling this is being done just in time for a Memorial Day that features POTUS deciding a trip to Arlington isn't worth the effort.
#21. To: Badeye (#17)
(Edited)
#22. To: war (#21)
#23. To: Abu el Banat (#20)
#24. To: Badeye, war (#17)
The irony of course is its all volunteer, and you swear an oath.
#25. To: Badeye (#23)
#26. To: Badeye, Abu el Banat (#23)
Ah, the site puppy yaps...(laughing) and is always the case offers nothing of importance to the give topic.
#27. To: HAPPY2BME-ONLF (#24)
#28. To: Abu el Banat (#25)
Ah, the site puppy yaps...(laughing) and is always the case offers nothing of importance to the give topic.
#29. To: HAPPY2BME-ONLF (#24)
The beginning of the 'All-Volunteer Force' of course was born out of the end of the Soviet Union, and at the time was a great triumph.
#30. To: Badeye (#28)
ROFLMAO...
#31. To: HAPPY2BME-ONLF (#24)
The military is the whipping-post and social laboratory for liberals to expand their perverse agendas on the rest of society. They do it first to the military, and then they do it to the rest of us.
#32. To: Abu el Banat (#22)
(Edited)
lol. It's fun telling boofer off.
#33. To: war (#32)
Think 'Hawks do it by 6...
#34. To: Abu el Banat (#33)
#35. To: war (#14)
There'd only have to be one to valiudate your statement.
#36. To: Murron (#35)
but gays in America have become milatant, provocative, abusive, invasive, vandalistic, antagonistic, threatening, intolerant, and dangerous
#37. To: war (#21)
Shut the fuck up about your wholly unspectacular service for a change.
#38. To: HAPPY2BME-ONLF (#24)
The beginning of the 'All-Volunteer Force' of course was born out of the end of the Soviet Union, and at the time was a great triumph.
#39. To: Fred Mertz (#37)
#40. To: Boofer (#39)
(Edited)
Ironically, my anti groupie reveals his real view of anyone that served.
#41. To: Badeye (#39)
#42. To: Fred Mertz, sneakypete (#37)
#43. To: Abu el Banat (#41)
#44. To: Badeye (#43)
#45. To: Abu el Banat (#41)
(Edited)
#46. To: war (#44)
Chuckles...you're sputtering Boof...
#47. To: mininggold (#45)
#48. To: mininggold (#46)
#49. To: mininggold (#46)
He just considers himself another elite.
#50. To: Badeye (#48)
And anti groupie is using the dead to hide behind today.
#51. To: mininggold (#50)
You really are a foreign national aren't you?
#52. To: mininggold (#50)
#53. To: Badeye (#52)
#54. To: Badeye (#47)
(Edited)
I always stated I served 'in the rear with the gear' kookie.
#55. To: Badeye (#48)
And anti groupie is using the dead to hide behind today.
#56. To: war (#0)
#57. To: A K A Stone (#56)
#58. To: war (#57)
#59. To: A K A Stone (#58)
#60. To: war (#59)
#61. To: A K A Stone (#60)
So insane that we won the cold war
#62. To: A K A Stone (#60)
#63. To: war (#62)
#64. To: A K A Stone (#63)
#65. To: war (#64)
#66. To: A K A Stone (#65)
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Quit makeing [sic] stuff up.
#67. To: A K A Stone (#65)
Quit makeing stuff up.
#68. To: war (#66)
#69. To: A K A Stone (#68)
#70. To: Boofer (#67)
#71. To: war (#42)
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