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Title: A recession became a depression
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URL Source: http://ak4mc.us/cms/?p=273
Published: May 25, 2010
Author: ak4mc
Post Date: 2010-05-25 11:46:58 by no gnu taxes
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Views: 351
Comments: 3

If Herbert Hoover had been as hands-off conservative as he is currently reputed to have been, the history of the mid-20th century might have been very different — at least in America. But his meddling efforts to right a wallowing economy in the wake of the stock market crash in October 1929 only made things worse.

In an anachronistic example of inadvertant Orwellianism, Hoover’s nonexistent laissez-faire conservatism is now blamed for the Great Depression, when in fact the depression of the early ’30s became Great because Hoover’s successor followed the Republican’s inept meddling with … more meddling — cranked up to 11.

There was no reason for the recession of 2008-09 to have resulted in news like this. Had the Republican nominee in 2008 been electable, and had the economic policies pursued over the past 16 months been rationally grounded in a need to reassure consumers and investors that their losses would be within familiar, if larger than desired, bounds, we might very well have the beginnings of a recovery on our hands by now.

As it is, the only reassurance we can find in the current news is that the vanguard of the original recession, the Democrat-controlled Congress that began in 2007, will no longer be in charge in 2011. But it would be nice to know that their successors in congressional leadership understood what had been done wrong, and were sworn to set things right regardless of what Democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) might say.

We can’t afford two full terms of Obama — but a third term of “compassionate” “conservatism” a la Bush wouldn’t be much better.

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

We can’t afford two full terms of Obama — but a third term of “compassionate” “conservatism” a la Bush wouldn’t be much better.

Full agreement.

For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.

Badeye  posted on  2010-05-25   11:53:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0) (Edited)

If Herbert Hoover had been as hands-off conservative as he is currently reputed to have been, the history of the mid-20th century might have been very different — at least in America. But his meddling efforts to right a wallowing economy in the wake of the stock market crash in October 1929 only made things worse.

The contraction of capital available for leverage was further exacerbated by the Federal Reserve's tight money policy.

The stock market "crashed" because of the way stock was purchased, i.e. on borrowed money with unspecified call dates on those loans that, ironically, were triggered by the present value of what was purchased with the borrowed money. Everyone's bill came due at the same time. Of course there was a crash; everyone had to sell to pay back the money. If a market has all sellers and no buyers, what happens?

True capitalists don't speculate in equity anyway. They speculate in ideas. Gamblers buy stocks. Capitalists form companies.

The lesson that was learned - and now ignored from the Great Depression - is that if you want to get out of one quickly, you don't do it piecemeal. You have to do it at a factor of 30-40 times the present value of GDP. If FDR made it worse, which, of course, he didn't, it was because he didn't spend enough.

If you look at collapses and depressions throughout history, recovery can be measured in years approaching decades.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-25   11:56:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

As you might be aware, this is a worldwide problem. We seem to be a the mercy of what happens in Europe now.

Of course, having a never-ending war doesn't help either.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-05-25   12:53:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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