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Title: Sarah Palin Takes Stand on Immigration, Palin Enters Immigration Debate, After Endorsing Arizona Illegal Immigration Law
Source: abcnews
URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sara ... -arizona-law/story?id=10707136
Published: May 22, 2010
Author: By KRISTINA WONG
Post Date: 2010-05-22 16:20:34 by WhiteSands
Keywords: Palin, Arizona, SB1070
Views: 32856
Comments: 111

Sarah Palin had been heretofore fairly silent on the issue of immigration. This week for the first time, however, she has been outspoken, making at least five recent public statements on the issue and coming out in full support of Arizona's controversial new immigration law.

She even encouraged other states to adopt similar laws.

"I think every other state on the border should emulate what Arizona has done," she said on FOX News Wednesday night. "Jan Brewer, the governor of Arizona, has taken upon herself, her state government, to do what the feds should have been doing all along and say, 'No, we're going to secure this border.'

"From there, then, once that is taken care of, we can deal with those who are here illegally and we can figure out all that immigration reform that needs to take place. Yes, other states should do what Arizona is doing," she said.

She posted on her Facebook page Tuesday about immigration for the second time in a week.

"Arizonans have the courage to do what the Obama administration has failed to do in its first year and a half in office, namely secure our border and enforce our federal laws," she wrote. "And as a result, Arizonans have been subjected to a campaign of baseless accusations by the same people who freely admit they haven't a clue about what they're actually campaigning against."

A Palin spokesperson declined to comment for this story.

The former Alaska governor sparked controversy Saturday with her comments at a campaign event for Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer.

"Now this state has enacted a law -- it mirrors the federal law -- which allows police to ask those they otherwise have stopped to provide a driver's license or other verification of legal presence. I think for most American people the reaction to this would be, 'Why haven't the police already been doing that?'" Palin asked the crowd.

She encouraged the Highland Park High School girls basketball team the week before to "go rogue" after school administrators canceled its participation in an Arizona tournament, citing safety concerns and the state's new immigration law.

She later posted on Facebook: "These boycotts of Arizona will not help the state or lead to positive change. Economic and political boycotts of our nation's 48th state will hurt all Arizonans, including all members of the Hispanic community."

Palin's back-to-back flurry of comments marked her public entry into an issue that had not previously been a prominent part of her conservative mix of issues, which included energy, fiscal conservatism and small government.

"She had actually been fairly positive about immigration reform as a vice presidential candidate," said Frank Sharry, executive director of America's Voices, a liberal-leaning immigration reform group that immediately criticized Palin.

"When she decided to embrace the Arizona show-me-your-papers law, we thought it justified criticizing her for embracing a law that institutionalized racial and ethnic discrimination," Sharry said.

A Palin Change of Heart?

As a vice-presidential candidate, Palin told Spanish-language television network Univision during an interview Oct. 26, 2008, "There is no way that in the U.S. we would roundup every illegal immigrant ... there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants. ... Not only economically is that just an impossibility but that's not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue."

Her GOP presidential running mate, Sen. John McCain, had taken a similar stance, arguing for a comprehensive immigration plan, a multi-faceted approach that includes border patrol, a crackdown on illegal hiring, legalizing immigrants already in the United States and creating a more flexible immigration system. The Arizona law and its more stringent provisions were not part of the national debate at the time.

But Palin came out last Saturday in clear support of Arizona's new law, which would be the most robust in the nation in terms of targeting people suspected of being illegal immigrants. The law is set to take effect July 29, barring any successful legal challenges.

Sharry said Palin's comments risk alienating Latino voters, the fastest-growing group of voters, from the Republican Party. Latino voter registration grew 54 percent and turnout grew 64 percent from 2000 to 2008, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

Republican President George W. Bush and Republican political strategist Karl Rove had made inroads with Latinos in 2000 and 2004 in key states such as Florida, Sharry said, where Latino voters backed Bush over Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts by a 12 point margin in 2004.

But, Sharry said, "The Republican party has now become branded among Latino immigrants as the 'party that hates us.'"

According to a report by America's Voices, Latinos will make a difference in 42 races in 12 states in the upcoming 2010 mid-term gubernatorial, Senate and House races: Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, Pennsylvania, Texas and Virginia.

"Someone like Sarah Palin or John McCain or Mitt Romney should stand up and say, 'Stop the madness, stop the political suicide,'" Sharry said.

Alfonso Aguilar, executive director for the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles, said liberals were trying to use the Arizona law to unfairly attack Republicans, when it's really Democrats who have failed to act on immigration laws.

"They know Latinos are mad at them [Democrats], so they're trying to use Arizona to drive a wedge, to say, 'You know what, Republicans don't like Latinos," Aguilar said. "Sadly, they know that the reason why we have the law in Arizona is because Barack Obama has not dealt with immigration as he said he would during the campaign. He has absolutely failed the Latino community."

Aguilar said that although he doesn't support the law, reaction to it has been exaggerated.

"I'm not a fan of Arizona law, but to say that the bill will lead to systematic and mass discrimination is an outright lie," he said.

He added that attempts to pit Latinos against Republicans would backfire within the Latino community.

"Latinos don't like to be treated in a condescending way," he said. "They're not going to respond to those tactics, and I think it's going to backfire."

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#72. To: Murron (#68)

I already posted that and it only addresses entry, not residence.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-05-27   11:24:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: no gnu taxes (#72)

I already posted that and it only addresses entry, not residence.

You're playing word games ngt, and it's no wonder kids are growing up today dumber than a box of rocks. If it's Illegal for them to be here, it's iIlegal to remain here, just ask any employer who hires them now, or any landlord who gets caught housing them...

By your logic, it's a crime to break into a persons home, but it's not a crime for them to stay there...

Making excuses that defend their crimes instead of demanding our laws be enforced is destroying this nation, you are either a part of it, or don't care, which is it? Then I might have a better perspective where you're coming from.

Otherwise, if you have any thoughts on this and care, what would be your solutions to end this invasion?

Goldi: "He is so offensive, he makes me dislike all people of his color."

Murron  posted on  2010-05-27   17:51:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Murron (#73)

I'm not playing anything. The law makes entry illegal.

If it's Illegal for them to be here, it's iIlegal to remain here,

They can be deported if they don't have legal residence, but residing here is no crime.

it's a crime to break into a persons home, but it's not a crime for them to stay there...

If they don't steal or damage anything, what's the crime other than the illegal entry?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-05-27   17:55:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: no gnu taxes (#74)

#1: "They can be deported if they don't have legal residence, but residing here is no crime."

#2: "If they don't steal or damage anything, what's the crime other than the illegal entry?"

#1: They CANNOT reside here because it is Illegal, it is a 'Crime', to HOUSE them! Residing here is a Crime, no matter how you try to put a spin on it.

They are committing Theft of government services at the expense of American tax payers, our elected officials are commiting theft and treason by allowing it.

They are not entitled to these services because they are not legal citizens.

#2: You are so wrong, illegal aliens are wreaking havoc and chaos all over this nation. If you have never been robbed by them, had your home broken into by a person who shoudn't be here in the first place, your children threatened in their schools by hispanic foreign thugs, had a loved one murdered in cold blood, slaughtered in a senseless drunken car crash, shot down, beaten, harrassed, intimidated, had your civil rights violated in favor of foreigners, then you know squat about damages and crime committed by Illegal Aliens.

This is not Mexico, it is America, and the American citizens Rights and Laws come first! jmho!

Goldi: "He is so offensive, he makes me dislike all people of his color."

Murron  posted on  2010-05-27   18:40:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: no gnu taxes (#74) (Edited)

but residing here is no crime

Hey Ignoranus,

If that's true, how can aliens be arrested and deported for overstaying their visa??? They entered legally, but are now residing here illegally.

You've ducked this question from me twice now fucktard. You don't have the balls to answer, because you know I'm correct.

You are nothing more than a comprehensive reform shill.

Answer up, shill.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-28   1:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: no gnu taxes (#74) (Edited)

but residing here is no crime.

Tell ya what shill, you might want to check 8USC1326, which makes it a felony to be FOUND in the U.S. That's right, whether RESIDING or just visiting, IT'S A CRIME TO MERELY BE FOUND IN THE U.S.

Criminal. FELONY. Up to 2 years.

And a lot more years for certain types.

Tell your masters comprehensive immigration reform won't fly.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-28   2:29:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Wood_Chopper (#76)

If that's true, how can aliens be arrested and deported for overstaying their visa??? They entered legally, but are now residing here illegally.

I don't think they are ARRESTED.

They are detained for deportation, and yes, there is a difference.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-05-28   8:28:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Wood_Chopper (#77)

Sec. 1326. Reentry of removed aliens

Again, deals with entry, not residing. I'm not trying to argue. If you know of a statute which makes residence illegal, simply produce it.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-05-28   8:30:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Wood_Chopper (#77)

8 USC 1326

REENTRY OF REMOVED ALIENS.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-28   8:49:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: no gnu taxes, war (#79)

Again, deals with entry, not residing. If you know of a statute which makes residence illegal, simply produce it.

I just gave you one of them, 1326. But you two spinners just continue to spin.

1326 states the crime is being FOUND in the U.S., but you two spinners didn't mention that.

Every alien who enters the United States illegally, or is here illegally, is commiting a CRIME.

The fact that the government refuses to press the criminal charges doesn't change that fact, nor does it make you two illegal alien apologist propagandists trying to bullshit everyone into believing "its no crime" correct.

If you know of a statute which makes residence illegal, simply produce it.

Simply kiss my ass. You're not the boss of me. We don't live in a country where you say anything you want, and it remains true unless I prove you wrong.

You made the bullshit statement. You're a mouthpiece for amnesty.

And BTW, as far as your fear mongering "either accept illegal alien amnesty, or we'll get a national ID card" ploy?????

I want neither one, and if those in Washington can't figure out how to have neither amnesty nor national ID cards, then they're fired and we'll get someone who can.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-28   12:52:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Wood_Chopper (#81)

I just gave you one of them, 1326. But you two spinners just continue to spin.

1326 makes the act or re-entering after deportation a crime. That is not spin...I gave you the title of the code.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-28   14:19:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Wood_Chopper (#81)

Simply kiss my ass. You're not the boss of me. We don't live in a country where you say anything you want, and it remains true unless I prove you wrong.

Why the tap dancing?

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-28   14:20:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: war (#82)

1326 makes the act or re-entering after deportation a crime.

No it doesn't. 1325 makes entering the U.S. illegally a crime. That is always a crime, whether one is a prior deport or not.

1326 makes BEING FOUND in the U.S. a crime. Read it, not just the title.

I gave you the title of the code.

I know. You cherry picked the title and purposely left out the language of 1326 (BEING FOUND IN THE U.S.) in order to mislead.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-28   19:41:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: war (#83)

Why the tap dancing?

You also may simply kiss my ass.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-28   19:42:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Wood_Chopper (#84)

1326 makes BEING FOUND in the U.S. a crime. Read it, not just the title.

I did read it. Now here's your turn to:

§ 1326. Reentry of removed aliens

(a) In general Subject to subsection (b) of this section, any alien who—
(1) has been denied admission, excluded, deported, or removed or has departed the United States while an order of exclusion, deportation, or removal is outstanding, and thereafter
(2) enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, the United States, unless
(A) prior to his reembarkation at a place outside the United States or his application for admission from foreign contiguous territory, the Attorney General has expressly consented to such alien’s reapplying for admission; or
(B) with respect to an alien previously denied admission and removed, unless such alien shall establish that he was not required to obtain such advance consent under this chapter or any prior Act,
shall be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. (b) Criminal penalties for reentry of certain removed aliens
Notwithstanding subsection (a) of this section, in the case of any alien described in such subsection—
(1) whose removal was subsequent to a conviction for commission of three or more misdemeanors involving drugs, crimes against the person, or both, or a felony (other than an aggravated felony), such alien shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both;
(2) whose removal was subsequent to a conviction for commission of an aggravated felony, such alien shall be fined under such title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both;
(3) who has been excluded from the United States pursuant to section 1225 (c) of this title because the alien was excludable under section 1182 (a)(3)(B) of this title or who has been removed from the United States pursuant to the provisions of subchapter V of this chapter, and who thereafter, without the permission of the Attorney General, enters the United States, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under title 18 and imprisoned for a period of 10 years, which sentence shall not run concurrently with any other sentence.[1] or
(4) who was removed from the United States pursuant to section 1231 (a)(4)(B) of this title who thereafter, without the permission of the Attorney General, enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, the United States (unless the Attorney General has expressly consented to such alien’s reentry) shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “removal” includes any agreement in which an alien stipulates to removal during (or not during) a criminal trial under either Federal or State law.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-28   19:48:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Wood_Chopper (#85)

You also may simply kiss my ass.

Do you mind if I pass, for now anyway?

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-28   19:49:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: war (#87)

Do you mind if I pass, for now anyway?

I said you "may", not "you must".

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-28   20:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Wood_Chopper (#88) (Edited)

Sorry...I believed that you may have been trying to predict a future event.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-28   20:12:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: war (#86)

(2) enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, the United States,

(2) enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, the United States,

Mind telling me what that bolded part means?

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-28   20:15:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: war (#89)

I don't know why you don't like Palin. She's all in favor of amnesty.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-28   20:18:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: war, no gnu taxes (#90)

Well, if you don't like that one, 'splain this one Lucy:

(4) who was removed from the United States pursuant to section 1231 (a)(4)(B) of this title who thereafter, without the permission of the Attorney General, enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, the United States

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-28   20:32:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Wood_Chopper (#92)

(4) who was removed from the United States pursuant to section 1231 (a)(4)(B) of this title who thereafter, without the permission of the Attorney General, enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, the United States

Again, the law is addressing an immigrant who has been removed from the US and has re-entered.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-28   20:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Wood_Chopper (#91)

Immigration is not an issue that motivates me to vote for someone. Intelligence is.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-28   20:41:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Wood_Chopper (#93)

Read the law like this:

In general, any alien who has been denied admission, excluded, deported, or removed or has departed the United States while an order of exclusion, deportation, or removal is outstanding, and thereafter enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, the United States shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “removal” includes any agreement in which an alien stipulates to removal during (or not during) a criminal trial under either Federal or State law.

Btw, are you related to Price?

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-28   20:51:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: war (#93)

Again, the law is addressing an immigrant who has been removed from the US and has re-entered.

Again, the law is addressing an immigrant who has been removed from the US and has re-entered BEEN FOUND IN THE UNITED STATES.

For extra credit, try the INA.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-28   21:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: war (#93) (Edited)

Think anyone else here will notice you don't have the balls to address the "found in the U.S."?

You're dishonorable war. You've not a bit of honesty in you.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-28   21:09:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Wood_Chopper (#97)

Think anyone else here will notice you don't have the balls to address the "found in the U.S."?

The law addresses RE-ENTRY. Period. It matters not when or where the immigrant is found. The LAW punishes the act of RE-ENTRY.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-28   22:08:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Wood_Chopper (#96)

Again, the law is addressing an immigrant who has been removed from the US and has re-entered BEEN FOUND IN THE UNITED STATES.

And punishes the act of re-entry.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-28   22:10:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: war (#98)

It matters not when or where the immigrant is found.

Like I said. You've not a bit of honesty in you.

Immigrant? The word "immigrant" does not appear in 1326. It's "alien". They're not "immigrants". They haven't "immigrated". They're illegal aliens. But you know that.

It matters not when or where the immigrant is found.

To quote 1326 "OR is at any time found in, the United States,"

I guess you know better than what's written in black and white?

See that word "OR". That means all that has to be done is find the alien in the U.S. You don't have to even bother with how he entered. All ya gotta do is find him in the U.S. If he's standing in front of you in the U.S, he's toast. It's not difficult to prove he's in the U.S. when he's in the U.S. That's why it's written into the law, and is missing from section (3)

So yeah, it does matter when or where. "When" is "at any time", just as it's written, and "where" is "the United States", just as it's written.

But you know that war.

Crunch time war. Man up.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-28   23:08:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Wood_Chopper (#100)

Like I said. You've not a bit of honesty in you.

The plain language of the law does not support your statement. The law punishes him for RE=ENTERING the US. The notes and comments on the law more than prove this.

So, fuck you for calling me a liar, liar.

To bring it to your level.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-28   23:13:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: war (#101)

You really get humorous when you get your ass handed to you.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-28   23:21:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Wood_Chopper (#102)

My hands are empty.

What is the title of the law that you are promoting as being the be all and end all of illegal immigration?

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-28   23:35:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: war (#103)

My hands are empty.

So's yer head.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-29   1:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Wood_Chopper (#104) (Edited)

Are you going to post the law that you claim makes it illegal for any "illegal" alien to be in the US rather than the one that makes re-rentry for a deported alien to re-enter or are you simply going to continue to regale me with the results of you flunking out of the Mudboy Slim School of Poetry?

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-29   7:27:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: war (#105)

Are you going to post the law...

Again, you may simply kiss my ass.

Again, you've no honesty.

Take your Alinsky tactics down the road.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-29   13:10:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Wood_Chopper (#106)

Chuckles...

Let's review...

You've cited no law. I have.

You've incorrectly interpreted the law.

I correctly stated what the law is.

You've been reduced to invectives and sputtering.

I haven't.

Have a good day.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-29   13:11:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: war, no gnu taxes (#107)

I see. This is the new attack on the AZ law about illegal immigration, since the AZ state law makes merely being in the U.S. illegal.

It's your attempt, war and no gnu taxes, to show that there is no federal law making it crime to be in the U.S. illegally, so that the AZ state law should be axed.

And when I prove to you there is at least one federal law making mere presence in the U.S a crime, war, you go all Alinsky on me.

You guys strike me as disinformationists.

BTW guys, you might want to check with your AUSA on your faulty take on 1326. Lotsa guys and gals have spent some time in the federal grey bar hotel for merely being here. I know. I put them there. Know why they're there? In a court of law, presence is easier to prove than re-illegal entry. If he's standing in front of the judge in the federal courtroom, he's here, and he's guilty.

At least no gnu taxes knew when to turn tail.

The AZ law will hold up.

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-30   2:58:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Wood_Chopper (#108)

since the AZ state law makes merely being in the U.S. illegal.

That is not what the law does.

My "take" on 1326 is dead on.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-30   9:02:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: war (#109)

(W_C)since the AZ state law makes merely being in the U.S. illegal.

(war)That is not what the law does.

Well then, I'll expect to not see you claiming the AZ law should be nullified because it makes mere presence in the U.S. illegal.

My "take" on 1326 is dead on.

Keep telling yourself that. What's your conviction rate on 1326?

(sneakypete)DID Palin say or write these things or not?

(Mad Dog's reply) I don't know or F ing care.

Wood_Chopper  posted on  2010-05-31   1:12:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Wood_Chopper (#110)

since the AZ state law makes merely being in the U.S. illegal.

An Arizona law has no effect of comity on NY or any other state that is NOT Arizona. Arizona can not pass a law making it illegal to speed in the United States.

As for 1326, you've cited no authorty to support your bizarre interpretation of a law the title of which is RE-ENTRY OF REMOVED ALEINS.

Here's the notes friom the Criminal Resource Manual. Nowhere does it cite an illegal alien as simply being in the US as an illegal act:

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8 U.S.C. § 1326—Reentry After Deportation (Removal) After the amendments made by the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA), subsection 1326(a) now makes it an offense for any alien who has been denied admission, excluded, deported, or removed, or has departed the United States while an order of exclusion, deportation or removal is outstanding and thereafter enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in the United States, unless prior to the alien's reembarkation at a place outside the United States or his application from foreign contiguous territory, the Attorney General has expressly consented to such alien's for admission, or such alien shall establish that he was not required to obtain such advance consent under the Immigration and Nationality Act or any prior Act.

The basic statutory maximum penalty for reentry after deportation is a fine under title 18, imprisonment for not more than 2 years, or both. However, with regard to an alien whose "removal" was subsequent to a conviction for commission of three or more misdemeanors involving drugs, crimes against the person, or both, or a felony (other than an aggravated felony), the statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 10 years. Moreover, if deportation was subsequent to conviction for an aggravated felony, the statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 20 years.

Although subsection 1326(a) now refers to any alien who has been "denied admission, excluded, deported, or removed, or has departed the United States while an order of exclusion, deportation, or removal is outstanding," subsections 1326(b)(1) and (b)(2), relating to aliens with prior criminal convictions, refer only to aliens "whose removal was subsequent to a conviction." Read together, subsections 1326 (a) and (b) appear to suggest that the term "removal" in subsections 1326(b)(1) and (b)(2) includes the terms "denied admission," "excluded ," "deported," "removed," and "departed the United States while an order of exclusion, deportation, or removal is outstanding," as set forth in subsection 1326(a). Section 309(d) of the IIRIRA seems to support this conclusion, providing "any reference in law to an order of exclusion and deportation or an order of deportation." Nevertheless, 8 U.S.C. § 1326 does not define "removal," nor does do subsections 1326(b)(1) and (2) specifically provide that removal is synonymous with "denied admission," "excluded ," "deported," and "departed the United States while an order of exclusion, deportation, or removal is outstanding." In view of this apparent uncertainty, some United States Attorneys expressed concern that, for example, that a criminal alien prosecuted under § 1326(b) might argue that he is not subject to enhanced punishment because he had been "deported," not "removed."

To foreclose possible litigation in this area, the Department is considering proposing a technical amendment whereby the language in subsections 1326(b)(1) and (2) would track the language in subsection 1326(a).

COMMENT: Further discussion of reentry after deportation offenses is set forth in Chapter 5 of Immigration Law, published as part of the Office of Legal Education's Litigation Series, and as part of the USABook computer library.

[cited in USAM 9-73.200]

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-31   8:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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