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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Opinions/Editorials See other Opinions/Editorials Articles Title: TITLE: Neocon Rand Paul defeats neocon Trey Grayson Source: disinter URL Source: http://disinter.wordpress.com/2010/ ... l-defeats-neocon-trey-grayson/ Published: May 19, 2010 Author: Disinter Post Date: 2010-05-19 07:49:33 by A K A Stone Keywords: None Views: 7816 Comments: 32 The MSM parrots are making a big deal of Rand Paul’s victory over his ideologically identical opponent Trey Grayson. They are both neocons. Either way we loose. These two neocons were simply vying to replace another neocon, career crook Jim Bunning, who is retiring. This is a non-event and another net loss for freedom. HERE IS ONE COMMENT FROM THE THREAD Rand Paul is a NEOCON! “Rand Paul: Try, Convict and Lock Up Terrorists In Guantanamo” http://www.randpaul2010.com/2009/11/rand-paul-try-convict-and-lock-up-terrorists-in-guantanamo/ imp has it right, only chumps continue to vote in rigged elections. and only chumps would sit there and say “9/11 can wait” while you vote for NEOCON TERRORISTS like Rand Paul. Have you NO humanity left in you AT ALL Americans? You would sit there and let 100% innocent foreign people be imprisoned and tortured when you KNOW full well that it was YOUR OWN PEOPLE (and that includes your buds in Israel) that did it? Put the Pauls in jail along with ALL the other politicians and ALL the bankers. Give them a fair trial. And if there is justice in this world or even a tiny shred of humanity left in any American, they will throw away the key. Poster Comment: They are calling Paul a neocon. That is funny. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: A K A Stone (#0) Rand Paul: Try, Convict and Lock Up Terrorists In Guantanamo At least that gives me hope he's not a muzzie apologist nutjob like his dad. no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-05-19   8:46:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: A K A Stone (#0) __________ is a neocon Are you sure you haven't stumbled upon miningrum's blog? If I could, I would. But I can't, so I won't. Ignore Amos  posted on  2010-05-19   8:50:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: A K A Stone (#0) I listened to his victory speech last night. The man is very good. He hit all the right notes with voters that are fed up, and doesn't come off with a whiff of 'kook' like his Dad routinely does. Conventional wisdom says he loses come November. I disagree. If he keeps to the issues he ran on in the primary, I think he wins in a landslide. Not as large as last night, but by a very comfortable margin. From what I can tell, the Kentucky Democrats are split worse than the GOP. Behind the scenes, the RNC and McConnell have been talking to Rand Paul about 'what next'. Hearing thats been happening for the past ten days or so. Personally, I think THE Senate race is in CT. GOP takes that seat, they take the Senate back. For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented. Badeye  posted on  2010-05-19   9:20:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: no gnu taxes (#1) That thought crossed my mind as well. Doesn't appear to be. For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented. Badeye  posted on  2010-05-19   9:20:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Boofer (#3) Personally, I think THE Senate race is in CT. GOP takes that seat, they take the Senate back. Great call, Boofer. Dem candidate shoots himself in both feet and then EATS his gun and you proclaim this "THE" race. /dumbfuck #67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace war  posted on  2010-05-19   9:23:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: A K A Stone (#0) (Edited) They are both neocons. This is a joke, right? I watched the Grayson / Paul debate last week. They didn’t agree on much of anything. Paul will never vote for an unbalanced budget. Grayson said that this was unrealistic. Paul said that the Congress needs to declare war to go to war. Grayson didn’t agree. Paul would eliminate the Department of Education and Agriculture. Grayson would keep them both because he believes they play important roles. On and on and on… Paul is not a neo-con. His views diverged from Grayson’s substantially. He will be the most pro-liberty voice in the Senate by far. jwpegler  posted on  2010-05-19   9:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Badeye (#3) I think THE Senate race is in CT. GOP takes that seat, they take the Senate back. Yes, that's right, but to take the Senate back, they will need to win two of the three: Connecticut, California, Washington. Barbra Boxer is in real trouble in California. I think Carly Fiorina can take her, but she needs to win the GOP nomination first. That's not certain. Even if she manages to get the GOP nomination, this is still California, with 14 million Mexicans and given the controversy in Arizona, Boxer could squeak through. In spite of being the least intellectually capable member of the Senate, Patty Murray isn't in any real trouble in Washington. The GOP is likely going to run a recycled candidate (Dino Rossi) who lost two gubernatorial elections in 2004 and 2008. That's the best they can do and it won't be good enough to beat her. jwpegler  posted on  2010-05-19   10:05:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: jwpegler (#7) (Edited) Good points. Six months is a long time in politics, we all know this. That works in favor of the GOP in this unique election cycle. For example, at the current rate of approximately 360,000 foreclosures, that means 2.16 MILLION Americans will lose their homes over this time frame. Nobody is seriously forecasting the unemployment rate will decline, they are saying its inevitable the 'official' numbers will be over 10% by November. The 'real' number will be north of 18%. Throw in the continuing trend of bankrupt small businesses, a shakey stockmarket, skyrocketing health insurance premiums. Then watch and see if Pelosi, Reid, and Owe-bama try to ram through unpopular legislation like cap and trade, amnesty, and support the suggestion that illegal aliens be given the vote in California. The majority in this nation is already as angry as its ever been with the Federal Government in the last century. Toss the above 'gasoline' on that fire, and its a landslide in the making. We'll see. For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented. Badeye  posted on  2010-05-19   10:13:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: jwpegler (#6) I watched the Grayson / Paul debate last week. They didn’t agree on much of anything. Exactly. The smart candidates will learn from Rand Paul's landslide and apply the lessons between now and November. For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented. Badeye  posted on  2010-05-19   10:17:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: jwpegler (#7) The GOP needs to win ten seats to take back the Senate. It's not going to happen. #67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace war  posted on  2010-05-19   10:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: Bofoer, jwpegler (#9) The smart candidates will learn from Rand Paul's landslide and apply the lessons between now and November. As goes KY so goes the nation? Never heard that one before... KY ranks in the top ten of Government Tit Suckers. What Federal programs that directly impact KY's place at the nipple did Paul suggest KY refuse to accept? #67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace war  posted on  2010-05-19   10:22:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: war (#10) The GOP needs to win ten seats to take back the Senate. It's not going to happen. I tend to agree. They can't win Washington. California is dicey. They could actually lose Voinovich's seat in Ohio. Florida is apparently now up for grabs because of Crist's defection. It's possible but very unlikely. I do think they'll take back the House. The House is more important because it's more ideologically divided, while the Senate has too many GOP members like Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Susan Collins and Olympia Snow who are willing to go along with Democrat initiatives. jwpegler  posted on  2010-05-19   10:27:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: war (#11) KY refuse to accept? Anything and everything from the Departments of Agriculture and Education. These were big differences between Paul and Grayson. jwpegler  posted on  2010-05-19   10:28:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: jwpegler (#12) I do think they'll take back the House. At this juncture i don't see that either. But, we're seeing the same dynamic play out as we saw in 2008 and 2006. HUGE amounts of undecideds. #67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace war  posted on  2010-05-19   10:29:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: jwpegler (#13) Paul said that he'd work to close them. He did not state that KY should refuse monies from those departments. #67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace war  posted on  2010-05-19   10:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: jwpegler (#12) Portman will win Ohio easily,jw. Bet on it. For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented. Badeye  posted on  2010-05-19   10:42:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: war (#14) They need 40 seats to pick up the House. Bohner claims 130 seats are in play. Gingrich says the GOP could pick up 70 of them. Given what we've seen so far, these are believable numbers. 3 term GOP Senator Bob Bennett couldn't even qualify to get on the primary ballot in Utah. 5 term Senator Arlen Specter was trounced in the Democrat primary. 14 term Democrat Congressman Alan Mollohan was ousted in the Democrat primary. Trey Grayson, who was backed by virtually the entire GOP establishment was pummeled by Rand Paul in the Kentucky Senate primary. Incumbent Democrat Senator Blanche Lincoln is barely hanging on in Arkansas -- she faces a primary run-off in three weeks. The GOP now holds Ted Kennedy's old seat for the first time in 5 decades. There is a GOP governor in New Jersey, who apparently is very serious about cutting spending and reforming government. We have a GOP governor in Virginia. These are huge changes compared to what you'd see in a normal year. Huge. This is going to be a year like 94. If the GOP does gain control of the House and nothing changes, 2012 could be like 1912 with a very serious third party candidate, but this time of the Populist Right. jwpegler  posted on  2010-05-19   10:56:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: jwpegler (#17) 2008 was the year like 1994. #67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace war  posted on  2010-05-19   11:09:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: jwpegler (#17) Lets not overlook the obvious, btw. There are a few lessons to be learned by those running for election AND re-election. First, Rand Paul's landslide. His themes of fiscal responsiblity, adhering to the Constitution, and regulating the Federal Resevere resonate with significant portions of ALL demographics and party affiliations. Second, attacking the Tea Party as some, primarily on the Left have, is political suicide. Ignoring it, as the Mitch McConnells of the Right tried, isn't as bad, but its very counter productive. Third, the 'political establishment' within the MEDIA is exhibiting a 'inside the Beltway' mentality that permeates their 'analysis'. They've been shown to be wrong in VA, MA, NJ, PA, UT, KY in the past seven months. Today, they are STILL misreading whats taking place nationally with voters. This is not 'anti incumbency' its anti stupidity, anti arrogance, and anti Owe-bama, ant Pelosi, anti Reid. Even Conservative commentators like Fred Barnes, Bill Kristol, Brit Hume are missing whats really happening with average voters. Fourth point. Today, the smart incumbents and candidates are looking at Bennett, Spector, Lincoln and Greyson's failed campaigns and learning from them. And of course looking at Rand Paul's stunning sucess in a state where 7 out of 10 are registered Democrats (approximately). they are noting what works in this unique election cycle. This isn't a normal mid term. I think its more like the 1946 election cycle than any other, but thats just my view. It could be turned into a 'super 1994' election cycle if the GOP leadership can let go of their preconceived notions (McConnell is a great example of this) and take the themes of the Tea Party to heart. We'll see. For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented. Badeye  posted on  2010-05-19   11:15:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: Boofer (#19) Third, the 'political establishment' within the MEDIA is exhibiting a 'inside the Beltway' mentality that permeates their 'analysis'. They've been shown to be wrong in VA, MA, NJ, PA, UT, KY in the past seven months. Where has the national political media reported anything other than the dynamic as it has played out? More importantly, why do you just make shit up? Starting in MA, the story the last few weeks of that campaign was Brown's surge to possible upset of Martha Coakley to Coakley's documented implosiion to Brown's victory. In NJ, the story was Christie surging out to a near 20 pt lead which he promptly punted into a 4 pt plurality. Since then his approval has plummeted because he's cluelss as to the realities of NJ politics which is "Take from my neighbor not from me." I work with these assholes. I listen to them bitch and moan about their taxes there but ask them what they want to see cut and they can't name one thing. PA? Spector was doomed no matter which way he turned and the media knew it. #67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace war  posted on  2010-05-19   11:25:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: Badeye (#19) I agree with your first point, but not your third. This is not just an anti-Obama, Reid and Pelosi phenomenon. If it were, 3 term GOP Senator Bob Bennett would have been able to get into his own party's primary and win it. Rand Paul had it right last night. This is a chastisement of both parties for reckless spending and debt. Let's not forget that Bush inherited a balanced budget. During the Clinton / Gingrich years federal spending dropped from 22.4% of GDP to 18.4%. It was a magnificent accomplishment. What did Bush do? He spent money at a faster clip than any President since LBJ. He had a GOP Congress that went along with it. This is why the GOP got booted from Congress in 2006 and the presidency in 2008. To top it off, the last thing they did was hand our money to failed financial companies who promptly used it to lavish bonuses on failed executives. Bob Bennett voted for most of it. Now we have Obama and the Democrats who are completely tone deaf to the economic plight of the American people. They think handing out extended unemployment checks will placate the unemployed. It won't. People want to go back to work. I've never seen anything like this. Obama's academics are brain dead stupid. They are going to get disemboweled in November. If the GOP gains control of the House and nothing changes, we’re going to see a serious third party candidate in 2012. I’m talking 1912 serious – someone who can beat RINO Romney and maybe win it all, not come in third like 1992. jwpegler  posted on  2010-05-19   15:12:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: A K A Stone (#0) Define NeoCon. You'll see that Paul is one. ----------------------------------------------------------- Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in. WhiteSands  posted on  2010-05-19   15:19:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: Ignore Amos (#2) (Edited) Are you sure you haven't stumbled upon miningrum's blog?. I have a blog? Who knew? And I have only mentioned it once since you have deemed us worthy of your infinte wisdom to join the forum and that was to a poster who repeated uses the word and even calls herself one. I guess THAT poster must be one of your "newly" found buds. But I do understand Whitey's need to repeat herself as posters here state they have never heard word and seem to have short circuited their short term memories, hence the need for repetition. Much like Badeye and his tag line talking points Making the world safe for United Fruit. mininggold  posted on  2010-05-19   15:25:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: jwpegler (#21) My first point, about Rand Paul and 'fiscal responsiblity' covers the demise of Bennett, who voted for the TARP. Second, we haven't had a 'budget surplus' in fifty years. We had an ''accounting trick' in the 1990's that removed Social Security from the Federal Budget. If I did that as a small business owner on a large debt, I'd be doing 15 - 25 in a Federal Prison. Bush did not inherit a 'surpluse'. That said...no denying Bush, along with the GOP congress, went on an insane spending spree that put this country deeply into debt. Thats why I voted against the GOP in the 2006 mid terms in large part. Bush's nonsensical 'compassionate conservativism' was code for 'flaming MODERATE'. Result was predictable, as all things from the 'moderate' political point of view is in relation to the GOP: political defeat. There are no 'Great Moments in Moderate Political History.' Thats why nobody runs campaign commercials claiming 'I'm a proud MODERATE!' (laughing). Third Party? Won't work. Only guarantees a second Owe-bama term. See 1992, and 1996. Been there, done that. Won't ever make that mistake again. Like it or not, we have a two party system. The only choices are remake the GOP, or allow uber liberalism to destroy us all. I choose 'remake' based on my experiences in 92 and 96. For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented. Badeye  posted on  2010-05-19   15:57:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: mininggold (#23) Much like Badeye and his tag line talking points ...said the Hitler Youth Leader....(chuckle) For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented. Badeye  posted on  2010-05-19   16:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: Badeye (#25) (Edited) said the Hitler Youth Leader....(chuckle) The Hitler youth leaders you probably remember well have been dead for years. Didn't your Israeli saviors hunt each and every last one down?.......(Chortle) Making the world safe for United Fruit. mininggold  posted on  2010-05-19   21:51:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: Badeye (#16) I haven't voted for Voinovich for years. I think last time I voted for him was for Governor. I might be willing to vote for him to keep the pressure on the D's. A K A Stone  posted on  2010-05-19   23:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: mininggold (#26) ...said the Hitler Youth Leader... For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented. Badeye  posted on  2010-05-20   9:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: A K A Stone (#27) Voinovich? Crying Georgie? I wouldn't vote for that POS if you held a gun to my head. That said, he's retiring. Rob Portman will take the seat come November. I know him, like him a lot. He'll do Ohio, and Conservative, very well. For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented. Badeye  posted on  2010-05-20   9:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: Boofer (#24) Second, we haven't had a 'budget surplus' in fifty years. We had an ''accounting trick' in the 1990's that removed Social Security from the Federal Budget. Bullshit. #67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace war  posted on  2010-05-20   9:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Badeye (#24) We had an ''accounting trick' in the 1990's that removed Social Security from the Federal Budget Social Security is already part of it's own account. A more accurate statement would be that the entire federal budget was balanced, but only because the Social Security account was in surplus, which covered the deficit in the general account. Politicians have been stealing Social Security surpluses since Carter. As of this year, Social Security is in the red. There are no more surpluses to steal. jwpegler  posted on  2010-05-20   11:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: jwpegler (#31) I suggest you review what the Clinton administration actually did on this one. For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented. Badeye  posted on  2010-05-20   11:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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