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Title: TITLE: Neocon Rand Paul defeats neocon Trey Grayson
Source: disinter
URL Source: http://disinter.wordpress.com/2010/ ... l-defeats-neocon-trey-grayson/
Published: May 19, 2010
Author: Disinter
Post Date: 2010-05-19 07:49:33 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 8671
Comments: 32

The MSM parrots are making a big deal of Rand Paul’s victory over his ideologically identical opponent Trey Grayson. They are both neocons. Either way we loose.

These two neocons were simply vying to replace another neocon, career crook Jim Bunning, who is retiring.

This is a non-event and another net loss for freedom.

HERE IS ONE COMMENT FROM THE THREAD

Rand Paul is a NEOCON!

“Rand Paul: Try, Convict and Lock Up Terrorists In Guantanamo” http://www.randpaul2010.com/2009/11/rand-paul-try-convict-and-lock-up-terrorists-in-guantanamo/

imp has it right, only chumps continue to vote in rigged elections. and only chumps would sit there and say “9/11 can wait” while you vote for NEOCON TERRORISTS like Rand Paul.

Have you NO humanity left in you AT ALL Americans? You would sit there and let 100% innocent foreign people be imprisoned and tortured when you KNOW full well that it was YOUR OWN PEOPLE (and that includes your buds in Israel) that did it?

Put the Pauls in jail along with ALL the other politicians and ALL the bankers. Give them a fair trial. And if there is justice in this world or even a tiny shred of humanity left in any American, they will throw away the key.


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They are calling Paul a neocon. That is funny.

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#3. To: A K A Stone (#0)

I listened to his victory speech last night. The man is very good. He hit all the right notes with voters that are fed up, and doesn't come off with a whiff of 'kook' like his Dad routinely does.

Conventional wisdom says he loses come November. I disagree. If he keeps to the issues he ran on in the primary, I think he wins in a landslide. Not as large as last night, but by a very comfortable margin.

From what I can tell, the Kentucky Democrats are split worse than the GOP. Behind the scenes, the RNC and McConnell have been talking to Rand Paul about 'what next'. Hearing thats been happening for the past ten days or so.

Personally, I think THE Senate race is in CT. GOP takes that seat, they take the Senate back.

Badeye  posted on  2010-05-19   9:20:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Badeye (#3)

I think THE Senate race is in CT. GOP takes that seat, they take the Senate back.

Yes, that's right, but to take the Senate back, they will need to win two of the three: Connecticut, California, Washington.

Barbra Boxer is in real trouble in California. I think Carly Fiorina can take her, but she needs to win the GOP nomination first. That's not certain. Even if she manages to get the GOP nomination, this is still California, with 14 million Mexicans and given the controversy in Arizona, Boxer could squeak through.

In spite of being the least intellectually capable member of the Senate, Patty Murray isn't in any real trouble in Washington. The GOP is likely going to run a recycled candidate (Dino Rossi) who lost two gubernatorial elections in 2004 and 2008. That's the best they can do and it won't be good enough to beat her.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-05-19   10:05:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: jwpegler (#7)

The GOP needs to win ten seats to take back the Senate.

It's not going to happen.

war  posted on  2010-05-19   10:18:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: war (#10)

The GOP needs to win ten seats to take back the Senate.

It's not going to happen.

I tend to agree. They can't win Washington. California is dicey. They could actually lose Voinovich's seat in Ohio. Florida is apparently now up for grabs because of Crist's defection. It's possible but very unlikely.

I do think they'll take back the House. The House is more important because it's more ideologically divided, while the Senate has too many GOP members like Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Susan Collins and Olympia Snow who are willing to go along with Democrat initiatives.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-05-19   10:27:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: jwpegler (#12)

I do think they'll take back the House.

At this juncture i don't see that either. But, we're seeing the same dynamic play out as we saw in 2008 and 2006. HUGE amounts of undecideds.

war  posted on  2010-05-19   10:29:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: war (#14)

They need 40 seats to pick up the House. Bohner claims 130 seats are in play. Gingrich says the GOP could pick up 70 of them. Given what we've seen so far, these are believable numbers.

3 term GOP Senator Bob Bennett couldn't even qualify to get on the primary ballot in Utah. 5 term Senator Arlen Specter was trounced in the Democrat primary. 14 term Democrat Congressman Alan Mollohan was ousted in the Democrat primary. Trey Grayson, who was backed by virtually the entire GOP establishment was pummeled by Rand Paul in the Kentucky Senate primary. Incumbent Democrat Senator Blanche Lincoln is barely hanging on in Arkansas -- she faces a primary run-off in three weeks. The GOP now holds Ted Kennedy's old seat for the first time in 5 decades. There is a GOP governor in New Jersey, who apparently is very serious about cutting spending and reforming government. We have a GOP governor in Virginia.

These are huge changes compared to what you'd see in a normal year. Huge. This is going to be a year like 94. If the GOP does gain control of the House and nothing changes, 2012 could be like 1912 with a very serious third party candidate, but this time of the Populist Right.

jwpegler  posted on  2010-05-19   10:56:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: jwpegler (#17)

Lets not overlook the obvious, btw. There are a few lessons to be learned by those running for election AND re-election.

First, Rand Paul's landslide. His themes of fiscal responsiblity, adhering to the Constitution, and regulating the Federal Resevere resonate with significant portions of ALL demographics and party affiliations.

Second, attacking the Tea Party as some, primarily on the Left have, is political suicide. Ignoring it, as the Mitch McConnells of the Right tried, isn't as bad, but its very counter productive.

Third, the 'political establishment' within the MEDIA is exhibiting a 'inside the Beltway' mentality that permeates their 'analysis'. They've been shown to be wrong in VA, MA, NJ, PA, UT, KY in the past seven months. Today, they are STILL misreading whats taking place nationally with voters. This is not 'anti incumbency' its anti stupidity, anti arrogance, and anti Owe-bama, ant Pelosi, anti Reid. Even Conservative commentators like Fred Barnes, Bill Kristol, Brit Hume are missing whats really happening with average voters.

Fourth point. Today, the smart incumbents and candidates are looking at Bennett, Spector, Lincoln and Greyson's failed campaigns and learning from them. And of course looking at Rand Paul's stunning sucess in a state where 7 out of 10 are registered Democrats (approximately). they are noting what works in this unique election cycle. This isn't a normal mid term. I think its more like the 1946 election cycle than any other, but thats just my view.

It could be turned into a 'super 1994' election cycle if the GOP leadership can let go of their preconceived notions (McConnell is a great example of this) and take the themes of the Tea Party to heart.

We'll see.

Badeye  posted on  2010-05-19   11:15:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Boofer (#19)

Third, the 'political establishment' within the MEDIA is exhibiting a 'inside the Beltway' mentality that permeates their 'analysis'. They've been shown to be wrong in VA, MA, NJ, PA, UT, KY in the past seven months.

Where has the national political media reported anything other than the dynamic as it has played out?

More importantly, why do you just make shit up? Starting in MA, the story the last few weeks of that campaign was Brown's surge to possible upset of Martha Coakley to Coakley's documented implosiion to Brown's victory. In NJ, the story was Christie surging out to a near 20 pt lead which he promptly punted into a 4 pt plurality. Since then his approval has plummeted because he's cluelss as to the realities of NJ politics which is "Take from my neighbor not from me." I work with these assholes. I listen to them bitch and moan about their taxes there but ask them what they want to see cut and they can't name one thing.

PA? Spector was doomed no matter which way he turned and the media knew it.

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