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Title: Wall Street Hammered as Rout Extends to Third Day; Dow Down 400, VIX Soars
Source: AP via Yahoo
URL Source: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Stock ... Stories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=
Published: May 6, 2010
Author: Stephen Bernard
Post Date: 2010-05-06 14:46:23 by Fred Mertz
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Comments: 23

Mixed economic news fails to revive stock market

Stocks tumble anew on concerns Greece bailout won't stem losses; jobless claims disappoint

NEW YORK (AP) -- Stocks extended their slide into a third day Thursday after news on the U.S. job market failed to ease worries that Greece's debt woes would spread.

The Dow Jones industrial average fell about 215 points in afternoon trading. The Dow and broader indexes dropped more than 2 percent. The Dow had already fallen 284 points in the prior two days. Treasury prices rose on increased demand for safe government debt.

The euro fell further against the dollar, hitting a new 14-month low. The euro has tumbled against the dollar since last fall as faith in Europe's shared currency dwindles. Greece's debt crunch is widely seen as a test of Europe's ability to restore fiscal discipline to the weak economies in its union and keep the decade-old currency viable.

"It's going to drop further," Tim Speiss, chairman of the personal wealth advisers practice at Eisner LLP in New York, said of the euro.

The dollar's rise pushed commodities prices lower, especially oil. That sent prices of oil companies like ExxonMobil and Chevron lower.

Greece passed a bill in its Parliament after heated debate that calls for unpopular cuts in public spending in pensions and other areas, as well as tax increases. Greece needed to approve the austerity measures to be eligible to receive a $141.9 billion aid package from the International Monetary Fund and the 15 other countries that use the euro.

Greece needs access to an initial portion of the money by May 19 to cover $11.6 billion in debt payments, or it likely will default.

Even if Greece gets the money, there are still worries that the loans would be only a temporary fix to a growing debt problem across the continent. Portugal and Spain have also seen their debt ratings downgraded.

In economic news, the Labor Department said new claims for jobless benefits fell lass than expected last week. It also said productivity rose more than forecast in the first quarter, but that was due in part to a drop in labor costs, which is a negative signal for consumer spending. The report comes a day ahead of the government's April jobs report. It is widely seen as the most important economic report.

In midafternoon trading, the Dow fell 214.63, or 2 percent, to 10,653.49. The Standard & Poor's 500 index fell 27.87, or 2.4 percent, to 1,138.03, while the Nasdaq composite index fell 64.17, or 2.7 percent, to 2,338.12.

Treasury prices rose, pushing interest rates down in the bond market. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note fell to 3.44 percent from 3.54 percent late Wednesday.

Crude oil fell $2.81 to $77.16 per barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

The Labor Department's weekly report on initial jobless claims showed 444,000 workers applied for unemployment benefits last week. That's down from a week earlier, but fell short of the 440,000 estimated by economists polled by Thomson Reuters.

It was the third straight weekly drop in new claims, but economists say claims have not yet fallen to levels that would indicate consistent job growth. Initial claims would have to dip to around 425,000 to signal employers are adding jobs. High unemployment remains one of the key issues facing the U.S. economy.

"Even though we didn't hit a home run with it, we hit a single," Larry Rosenthal, president of Financial Planning Services in Manassas, Va., said of the report. "This a process we have to work through. This is a long-term recovery."

The weekly claims report comes a day before the Labor Department is expected to say the unemployment rate remained at 9.7 percent in April. An improving employment picture could boost consumer sentiment and make people more optimistic about a recovery.

"It's a whole lot easier to be confident when you have a job," said Bryan Hopkins, president of Hopkins Wealth Management Group in Anaheim Hills, Calif.

A separate Labor Department report showed first-quarter productivity rose at an annual rate of 3.6 percent, better than the 2.5 percent forecast by economists. The gain was due in part to a drop in labor costs, which means companies should be able to maintain strong profit margins. However, it also means that consumers' incomes continue to be squeezed, which could slow a rebound in spending.

That slow recovery in spending was seen as retailers provided a mixed picture for April sales. Sales largely slowed from March's strong pace, partly because Easter was earlier this year. Macy's Inc. was among the retailers that topped forecasts, but its shares still slid. Gap Inc. and Target Corp. fell sharply after reporting disappointing monthly sales results.

Macy's shares fell 61 cents, or 2.6 percent, to $22.61. Gap fell $1.20, or 4.9 percent, to $23.48, while Target dropped 51 cents, or 0.9 percent, to $55.80.

In energy stocks, Exxon Mobil Corp. fell 94 cents, or 1.4 percent, to $65.23, and Chevron fell $1.55, or 1.9 percent, to $78.64.

About 10 stocks fell for every one that rose on the New York Stock Exchange, where volume came to 1 billion shares, compared with 916.2 million shares traded at the same point Wednesday.

The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies fell 9.34, or 1.3 percent, to 689.24.

Overseas, Britain's FTSE 100 fell 1.5 percent, Germany's DAX index fell 0.8 percent and France's CAC-40 dropped 2 percent. Japan's Nikkei stock average, which had been closed the past three days for holidays, fell 3.3 percent.

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#1. To: Fred Mertz (#0)

Dow was down over 900 and really came back quickly. Still way down.

I was looking at a fixed income fund at 8.42% this morning, it was near 10% this afternoon. Way too much volatility. Glad I held off, the loss would have been over 5% on a fixed income fund, that's out of scope.

reaganisright  posted on  2010-05-06   15:11:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: reaganisright (#1)

A friend of a friend with some UBS advice pulled out of a bunch of stuff last week and put it into guaranteed annuities. He now looks like a genius.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-05-06   15:13:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: war (#0)

I'll bet things just got hectic at the office for you.

Dow was down 900 for a few moments there.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-05-06   15:28:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Fred Mertz (#0)

Apparently the word has come out to Fox Biz News it was a bad quote on P&G going down 33% that triggered the program trading BS.

This volatility is far worse than 1987 and I remember that very well.

reaganisright  posted on  2010-05-06   16:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: reaganisright (#4)

Apparently the word has come out to Fox Biz News it was a bad quote on P&G going down 33% that triggered the program trading BS.

Yeah, I just heard a report that Citi issued a mis-quote.

What was the name of the program that they triggered in Terminator that took over the world?

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-05-06   16:28:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Fred Mertz (#3)

(roaring with laughter)

I can see NOVEMBER from my House....

Badeye  posted on  2010-05-06   16:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: go65 (#5)

skynet

I can see NOVEMBER from my House....

Badeye  posted on  2010-05-06   16:53:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Badeye (#7)

skynet

That's it. Amazing that nobody could stop to think "what on earth would cause P&G to drop 33% in one minute"

And next comes the lawsuits.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-05-06   17:43:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Fred Mertz (#3) (Edited)

It was an interesting day (grin)...

Fat finger trading...that's going to be everyone's new buzz phrase...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-06   18:56:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: go65 (#5)

Yeah, I just heard a report that Citi issued a mis-quote.

It was a real trade...shit like this happens in the pits all the time where one side has a better or worse price than the other. The problem here is that this is a stock that trades on different exchanges. PG's low on NYSE was 56 and change...on the NASD it was 39 and change. So It Goes.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-06   19:00:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: war (#9)

What is Fat finger trading?

Is it located on the invisible hand?

lucysmom  posted on  2010-05-06   19:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: lucysmom (#11) (Edited)

Funny.

We heard a lot of rumors...one was that a "B" [billion] was inputted instead of an "M" [million].

FWIW, it would have taken more than one fuck up. Someone's model had the "pause" button removed. Most trading programs will issue a warning when the market shows a variation in excess of a certain %. Obviously, a VERY LARGE program kicked in on the bad price print.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-06   19:13:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: war (#12)

Someone's models had the "pause" button removed. Most trading programs will issue a warning when the market shows a variation in excess of a certain %. Obviously, a VERY LARGE program kicked in on the bad price print.

Thank you for responding.

What's the fat finger part?

lucysmom  posted on  2010-05-06   19:29:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: war (#12)

Never mind, I get it.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-05-06   19:32:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: reaganisright (#4)

Apparently the word has come out to Fox Biz News it was a bad quote on P&G going down 33% that triggered the program trading BS.

I saw that. I don't believe it for a second.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-05-06   22:19:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Fred Mertz (#15) (Edited)

FWIW, I do. We were in fast market conditions all day across all exchanges. Some $50k a year clerk or $20buck an hour Summer intern not paying attention to what they input...

That said, I'm not going to be surprised if it turns out that it was deliberate either.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-06   22:22:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: war (#16)

You should keep up with mcgowanjm.

He knows the deal. I'll not believe this day's spin.

Asian markets tanking tonight...slightly.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-05-06   22:27:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Fred Mertz (#17) (Edited)

Well we KNOW that PG had a 20 buck difference in print between an OTC trade and an exchange trade. That is a fact. Since the out print was OTC it HAD to be an order entry error.

Could it have been a Debt of Honor scenario? I guess...but it was such an anomaly EVERYONE involved is about to get probed anally. We're not talking a few million bucks here...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-06   22:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: war (#18)

Gold went above $1,200.

Oil went under $77.

The ten year bond yield is somewhere like 3.3%

Weird shit is happening.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-05-06   22:39:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Fred Mertz (#19)

Europe is tanking...so...gold is currency...oil is demand based but also a tradeable commodity from which cash can be raised....US government debt is a safe haven...LIBOR curve got whacked too...we're back to a sovereign risk scenario and any credit risk is going to be less counter-party based and more country based...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-06   22:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: war (#20)

They're talking about the containment box. 100 tons of crap.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-05-06   23:02:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: go65 (#8)

I'm hearing 'one guy typed in the wrong number' as the reason....(chuckle)

I just wish I had the cash to have bought up some P&G stock at the moment it bottomed out.

Course I feel the same way when I hear lottery numbers I didn't pick lmao.

I can see NOVEMBER from my House....

Badeye  posted on  2010-05-07   9:55:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Badeye (#22)

I just wish I had the cash to have bought up some P&G stock at the moment it bottomed out.

Without looking...on which market?

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-05-07   10:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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