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Title: We have the Obama Depression, Iranian nukes, and Islamic terrorism and the Democrats are concerned about -- baseball players chewing tobacco. You can't make this shit up.
Source: ESPN
URL Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5086308
Published: Apr 15, 2010
Author: ESPN
Post Date: 2010-04-15 09:28:16 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 328
Comments: 8

After hounding Major League Baseball and its players union over steroids, Congress now wants the sport to ban smokeless tobacco.

"Good luck," San Francisco Giants reliever Brandon Medders said. "Guys do what they do. We work outside. It's been part of the game for 100 years."

At a hearing Wednesday, House Energy and Commerce Committee chairman Henry Waxman, a California Democrat, and Health Subcommittee chairman Frank Pallone, a New Jersey Democrat, called on baseball and its players to agree to bar major leaguers from using chew, dip or similar products during games.

MLB executive VP Robert Manfred and MLB Players Association chief labor counsel David Prouty told lawmakers they agree that smokeless tobacco is harmful -- Manfred said a ban in the majors is "a laudable goal" -- but both pointed out that any ban would have to be agreed to through collective bargaining.

They said their sides are willing to discuss the topic during future negotiations; baseball's labor contract is due to expire in December 2011.

"I can tell you, anecdotally, there are plenty of players who are against it, who think, 'Of course it should be banned.' There are plenty of players who use it. Do they think it should be banned? I don't know," the union's Prouty said in an interview after the 3½-hour hearing.

"We can go back to the players and say, 'Congress feels strongly about this. You ought to think about it. Look what's happened on other issues Congress felt strongly about," Prouty said.

Smoking cigarettes while in uniform and in view of the public is not allowed in the majors. Smokeless tobacco has been banned in the minors since 1993 but is allowed in the majors, and players and managers often can be seen using products during games or carrying a tin of dip in a back pocket.

"For them to pull it off in the minors really surprised me," Twins reliever Pat Neshek said after Minnesota played the Boston Red Sox on Wednesday. "We'll see if that gains much traction."

Neshek, who said he's never tried smokeless tobacco but considers the notion of a ban "ridiculous," remembers players in the minors skirting the rules.

"People would still do it," he said. "I don't know if they'd mix it in with their gum or something like that."

At the hearing earlier Wednesday, Anna Eshoo, a California Democrat, wondered aloud: "Why don't they just chew gum if they feel the need to chew something?"

During his opening statement, Waxman said: "We don't let baseball players go stand out there in the field and drink beer. Major League Baseball won't allow them to step on the field and smoke cigarettes. So why should they be out there on the field -- in sight of all their fans on television and at the ballpark -- using smokeless tobacco?"

Waxman was one of the leaders of the House Government Reform Committee when it held a series of hearings on performance-enhancing drugs in baseball with witnesses such as Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco, Rafael Palmeiro and Roger Clemens in the same Rayburn House Office building used for Wednesday's session.

There were no current baseball players in attendance Wednesday, but former major leaguer and longtime anti-tobacco advocate Joe Garagiola testified, speaking for about 15 minutes, instead of the allotted five.

"I would like the players ... who are role models; I don't care what anybody says ... to quit carrying a can of dip in their uniform pockets," Garagiola said.

"Why can't baseball and the players' association right here get together and ban it? Take it off the field," Garagiola said. "Tobacco is tobacco is tobacco. ... Get it out of our game."

Terry Pechacek of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and Deborah Winn of the National Cancer Institute testified about the links between smokeless tobacco and cancer, and the addictiveness of smokeless tobacco. Pechacek said smokeless tobacco can cause oral cancer, pancreatic cancer and has been linked to fatal heart attacks.

Harvard professor Gregory Connolly said research shows about one-third of major leaguers report they use smokeless tobacco, and he says that contributes to use by youth in America.

Asked about the topic after playing against the New York Yankees on Wednesday, Los Angeles Angels outfielder Torii Hunter wasn't sure whether it's fair to blame ballplayers for kids using smokeless tobacco.

"Anything healthy is always good, but I wouldn't put it on us. You know, there's grandparents that do that, that dip and all that stuff," Hunter said. "It's probably right there in your home."

Hunter said he doesn't use dip and has tried to persuade other players to stop.

"I can see they don't want kids to do it, which is good," Medders said before San Francisco hosted Pittsburgh on Wednesday. He also called the idea that smokeless tobacco, which he uses, could be banned, "just stupid."

Giants manager Bruce Bochy is trying to quit his longtime smokeless tobacco habit, and he stops during each offseason. He's down to about two dips a day; he says the tobacco makes him sharper in his decision-making during games.

"I've dramatically cut back. I feel a lot better," Bochy said. "It's not as prevalent in the game as it used to be, which is a good thing. We know it's not good for you, and I'm guilty. We are role models. Believe me, I made sure my two boys don't do it. I don't know if it should take an act of Congress to do it. Starting in the minor leagues, we've done a pretty good job."

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

Well, I think chewing is one of the nastiest things I've ever seen anyone do with tobacco, but to each his own, what I'd like to see is one of the ball players SPIT in the eye of a nosy assed dem, gross, but they asked for it!

To be perfectly honest, a spit in the eye would be the least of their worries, if they don't back off....

Murron  posted on  2010-04-15   10:20:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

I read an article, probably in Sports Illustrated back in the early '70s that most players had stopped using the chew and bubble gum as well because it was murder on artificial turf and the groundskeepers who had to maintain it. And the health problems really gained the spotlight when the national craze for the stuff peaked.

They switched to sunflower seeds and would pack their cheeks with the seeds just like a chew. It was a minor artform to be able to open a seed with a mouthful and eat them one at a time. The empty shells were easy to vacuum off the field.

I had one friend try chew at practice in HS, he made it halfway thru practice and had to jump the fence and puke over at Burpee's Fordhook Farm, the original experimental farm the lima beans are named for.

That said, jacking off animals is funny and thus material for comedy no matter where you are if you're 16. Of 51 for that matter.... war posted on 2009-11-15 15:48:39 ET

reaganisright  posted on  2010-04-15   10:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: reaganisright (#2) (Edited)

That said, jacking off animals is funny and thus material for comedy no matter where you are if you're 16. Of 51 for that matter.... war posted on 2009-11-15 15:48:39 ET

Ha...thanks for reminding me how hilarious your Butt Buddy Small Bore is and how archaic Goldi's system was without the "edit" feature...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-15   10:26:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

The Senate is focused on charges for carry on luggage today....(eyes rolling)

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-15   10:42:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: reaganisright (#2)

What do you think about Brandon Marshall heading to the Dolphins?

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-15   10:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Badeye (#5)

Denver got minimal return for Brandon Marshall because they were going to lose him anyway, everyone knew it.

Same with Cards and WR Bouldin, Ravens should have picked him up two years ago, price was probably too high.

I've been watching "Path to the Draft" on NFL Network because I don't watch college football and the draft starts in one week. Lot of repeated footage. New shows are 6pm at least for Thurs and Fri.

The NFL just announced the dates for 2010 will come out on Tues 7pm for NFL Network coverage. I don't know the actual release time, probably late afternoon. I caught a commercial on NFL Network.

This can't make it any easier the "war rooms" preparing for the draft.

That said, jacking off animals is funny and thus material for comedy no matter where you are if you're 16. Of 51 for that matter.... war posted on 2009-11-15 15:48:39 ET

reaganisright  posted on  2010-04-15   14:34:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: reaganisright (#6)

Same view here on all.

Watched 'The Missing Rings: 1981 San Diego Chargers' last night on NFL Network.

It was all I could do not to puke listening to Winslow, Fouts and some white fullback whine about how they got screwed that year by: The owners, the schedule, the weather, and an overtime first round playoff game at Miami, that all 'conspired' to keep them from winning the 1981 Super Bowl.

The fact is they had a terrible defense, and an offense that lived or died by how well Fouts played. The fact is Fouts choked against the Bengals at home in October of that year, losing 40-17 AT HOME in 80 DEGREE WEATHER...and choked again in the AFC Championship game against the Bengals in Cincinnati in extremely cold weather, losing 27-7.

Eight quarters were played by these two teams against each other. Bengals put up 67 points to the 81 Dolts 24.

Missing Ring my ass. They got their asses kicked TWICE. At home. And on the road.

(rant: off) lol

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-15   16:49:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Boofer (#7)

The owners, the schedule, the weather, and an overtime first round playoff game at Miami, that all 'conspired' to keep them from winning the 1981 Super Bowl.

Hey Boof...a) the "white fullback" was Rolf Benerschke the kicker...b) they beat Miami in the first round of the playoffs in OT which is c) how they were able to lose to the Bungles in the AFC championship.

You were right about the defense tho...it sucked...but the AFC sucked that year...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-15   17:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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