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Title: Newly-minted Sen. Scott Brown refuses Palin, Tea Party invite
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URL Source: http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0412/ne ... rown-snubs-palin-tea-partiers/
Published: Apr 12, 2010
Author: John Byrne
Post Date: 2010-04-12 11:47:10 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 21298
Comments: 60
The honeymoon, it seems, is over. Sen. Scott Brown, whose unexpected victory saw the end of a legacy of liberalism in Massachusetts, is now refusing an invitation from the Tea Party movement -- and Sarah Palin, the very figures who helped Brown score his Senate seat. Tea Partiers are gathering for a massive rally on Boston Common where Palin is scheduled to speak Wednesday. Some experts, not surprisingly, are saying Brown has tossed the Tea Party overboard. “He wants to mainstream himself before the election,” Larry Sabato, a University of Virginia political scientist, told the Boston Herald, which broke the story. “You’re worried at a rally that there’s a sign, a statement, an incident that’s certifiably cuckoo occurs,” political analyst Lou DiNatale told the paper. “To win re-election, Scott Brown floating to the right is a serious problem. “And showing up at a Sarah Palin, Tea Party event is not the way to the middle.”
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#20. To: go65 (#19)
And? He doesn't believe its efficent to have the Federal Government provide it, as you know from the rest of the quote.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Whoa, Brown supports eliminating the VA medical system? Since when? Do you have a quote? After all, the VA system is the only method by which the Federal Government provides healthcare (other than for active duty service personnel). Does Brown want to eliminate the Medical Services Corps as well? Did you even bother to put the slightest bit of thought into this argument?
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
Is that one of them whatchamacallit questions? Reformical? But FOX News told me that Obama is GIVING me health care...are you stating that he isn't? Why would FOX News lie to me?
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Its one of dem "gotcha" questions.
And? He doesn't believe its efficent to have the Federal Government provide it, as you know from the rest of the quote.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
When did Brown propose eliminating the VA health system? Do you have a source for this claim?
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
Did you see O'Reilly attack Tom Coburn for Coburn's claim that Fox News misleads? O'Reilly claimed that nobody at Fox ever said anyone would go to jail if they didn't have health insurance. Yet there are numerous examples of O'Reilly himself, and Glenn Beck, claiming exactly that. But you and I keep making the mistake in thinking facts matter to folks like Badeye. The reality is the bill enacted a few weeks ago reforms insurance, it doesn't result in the federal government providing care. The only place where that happens is in the VA system and the military. So if the GOP wants to advocate that military medical services and VA hospitals should be eliminated, let them go for it.
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
This is classic Boofer caught in the headlights of his own "argument"...he starts with a false premise...he supports the false premise with more bullshit...then his needle gets stuck...he'll expect you to exit the thread but later declare that he handed you your ass. I really don't know why you put up with him the way that you do.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Please cut and paste the post of mine that claimed this. Thanks.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Coburn couldn't cite a single example when pressed repeatedly by O'Reilly. Neither can you, I suspect. Facts do matter, thats why I ask you to cut and paste the absurd claim you made on another thread about Brown and the VA. You made something up, attributed it to me, and then demand I answer you. Facts indeed, GO65. Give me the quotes you claim were made by O'Reilly on this thread. I'll check back. Nobody has advocated eliminating 'military medical services' or the VA that I'm aware of. Show me who, with the quote, I'll join you in denouncing them. And lets not confuse demanding waste be cut from both as a 'demand they be eliminated'.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
He doesn't believe its efficent [SIC] to have the Federal Government provide it, as you know from the rest of the quote. Boofer posted on 2010-04-14 13:09:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Congressman John Shadegg just introduced a resolution about a problems he sees in the health care bill that could affect you directly. Joining us live is Congressman John Shadegg. Good evening, Congressman. So I see you brought all your homework and your research. So first of all, what's the problem? REP. JOHN SHADEGG, R - ARIZ.: Well, the problem is that in August (INAUDIBLE) a bill that might fine us, and now we've discovered that the bill has criminal penalties. VAN SUSTEREN: How's -- I mean, like, in what way? I mean, if I don't do something under the bill, I could get charged criminally? SHADEGG: What the bill says is that this is a tax. If you don't buy health insurance and you don't by government-approved health insurance, then they will impose a tax on you and they told you how much the tax was. But unfortunately, the code says that if you don't pay the tax, that's a misdemeanor, and we can fine you more, in this case, an additional $25,000. And on top of that, we can put you in jail for up to a year. ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
This: BECK: I don't have universal health care. O'REILLY: Now, let's get -- well, you will soon. BECK: Or I'll go to jail. And this: BECK: This is the first time in history in the country where, just to be a citizen, just to be -- not go to jail you have to buy something. And it's also true that last month, Bill O'Reilly said this: O'REILLY: The IRS is now going to have to enforce ObamaCare. ... The IRS gets them if they don't pay the taxes. Ask Wesley Snipes.
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
SHADEGG: What the bill says is that this is a tax. If you don't buy health insurance and you don't by government-approved health insurance, then they will impose a tax on you and they told you how much the tax was. But unfortunately, the code says that if you don't pay the tax, that's a misdemeanor, and we can fine you more, in this case, an additional $25,000. And on top of that, we can put you in jail for up to a year. As if facts matter to Badeye. In the words of George Constanza, "it's not a lie if you believe it"
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
Coburn couldn't cite a single comment remains true. O'Reilly didn't say anyone was going to jail, he said the IRS is tasked with enforcement. Yep, Beck is a commentator. Not a 'news/journalist'.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Greta ASKING A QUESTION isn't saying 'you go to jail'. I understand my insane anti groupie asserting such a thing. You however? Wow. Being a Democrat in the year 2010 means you Ignore Reality.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
What part of that was unclear? Sorry Badeye, any time you try to actually debate facts, you lose.
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
You aren't interested in 'debate' rotfl! She asked a question, it doesn't show anything other than inquisitiveness required of her JOB. Hey, the bright side is under Owe-bama, she still has a job, unlike tens of millions of other Americans as I type this.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
Good god man...just because someone on Fox News said it, it doesn't mean that...uh...um...someone on Fox News...er...said it?
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
15MM is not tens of millions boof....
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
...as he typed it. What a drama queen he is.
Nobody at Fox News said these things about the bill that was passed. They said it about the original bill last NOVEMBER when the criminal provisions were IN THE BILL. Bird talking from media matters makes you look ridiculous. As everybody knows those provisions were stripped from the final draft, because it wouldn't have passed otherwise.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
I won this one, Hands Down.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
I'm still waiting for you to produce the quote in which Brown says he wants to shut down the VA health system. You still don't seem to understand the difference between health insurance reform, government provided health insurance (e.g. single payer) and government provided health care (e.g. the UK system). As Tom Coburn says, you need to look for information sources other than Fox news.
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
You have been destroyed again: Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
Sorry...you've already been, in essence, "GAMESETMATCHED"...any counter evidence that is offered beyond the point of "GAMESETMATCH" is extrinsic, null and void...
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
I never claimed he did.Sheesh.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Wrong again. When those comments were made in NOVEMBER of 2009, the criminal penalties were IN THE BILL. They were 100% Fact based AT THE TIME. Nobody on Fox News has EVER SAID the bill that was PASSED had a criminal penalty. You keep using Media Matters, and you keep looking ridiculous.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Which, of course, isn't the point Boofer. And as you've been shown, they were making this claim well after November of 2009.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Good work.
Hey, its the Grammar King! With nothing of substance to offer to the discussion! As usual.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
from the person who just gave us this gem: They didn't. If they did, it would be known as 'a depression' not 'THE GREAT DEPRESSION'. Boofer posted on 2010-04-16 9:21:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Wrong again: Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
Now you're just being childish. Its expected, you always get this way when outted. You and Media Matters took comments from last November about the healthcare bill as it was written at THAT TIME, and included criminal penalties for not purchasing healthcare insurance, and are trying to say Fox News said this about the bill that was eventually passed. You know it, anyone that looks into it sees this immediately. btw, O'Reilly eviscerated this bullshit last night in the opening 'talking points' segment. Noted clowns like you, NBC and Time Magazine are reporting Media Matter's propaganda as if its 'fact based' when it simply isn't.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
You are wrong again, there were criminal penalties for not paying the fine for not carrying insurance, not for not purchasing insurance. And O'Reilly was wrong.
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
Utterly false. As of November 9th, 2009, the legislation in the Senate called for possible criminal penalties, including incarceration and fines. You can play dumb about it if you want. Media Matters flat out lied on this, NBC and Time Magazine didn't bother to check...and you haven't had an original thought in seven years and counting, as this demonstrates.
I can see NOVEMBER from my House....
Again, you lack any factual basis for your arguments: Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
O'Reilly lied, even Cavuto admits it.
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
(laughing) We're done. thanks for playing.
I can see NOVEMBER from my House....
Cavuto said no such thing, that 'Oreilly lied'. You're so full of shit, its amusing.
I can see NOVEMBER from my House....
#21. To: Badeye (#20)
And? He doesn't believe its efficent to have the Federal Government provide it, as you know from the rest of the quote.
#22. To: go65 (#21)
(Edited)
Did you even bother to put the slightest bit of thought into this argument?
#23. To: war (#22)
#24. To: go65 (#21)
#25. To: Badeye (#24)
And? He doesn't believe its efficent to have the Federal Government provide it, as you know from the rest of the quote.
#26. To: war, badeye, bartcoprules (#22)
Is that one of them whatchamacallit questions? Reformical? But FOX News told me that Obama is GIVING me health care...are you stating that he isn't? Why would FOX News lie to me?
#27. To: go65, Boofer (#25)
#28. To: go65 (#25)
When did Brown propose eliminating the VA health system?
#29. To: go65 (#26)
Did you see O'Reilly attack Tom Coburn for Coburn's claim that Fox News misleads? O'Reilly claimed that nobody at Fox ever said anyone would go to jail if they didn't have health insurance. Yet there are numerous examples of O'Reilly himself, and Glenn Beck, claiming exactly that.
#30. To: Badeye (#28)
(Edited)
#31. To: Badeye (#29)
#32. To: Badeye (#29)
Coburn couldn't cite a single example when pressed repeatedly by O'Reilly.
#33. To: war (#31)
VAN SUSTEREN: How's -- I mean, like, in what way? I mean, if I don't do something under the bill, I could get charged criminally?
#34. To: go65 (#32)
#35. To: go65 (#33)
#36. To: Badeye (#35)
Greta ASKING A QUESTION isn't saying 'you go to jail'.
And on top of that, we can put you in jail for up to a year.
#37. To: go65 (#36)
#38. To: Badeye (#37)
And on top of that, we can put you in jail for up to a year.
#39. To: go65 (#38)
#40. To: Boofer (#37)
#41. To: war (#40)
#42. To: go65 (#38)
#43. To: go65 (#36)
#44. To: Badeye (#43)
I won this one, Hands Down.
#45. To: Badeye, murron, dont eat that, sneakypete, fred mertz, war (#42)
Nobody at Fox News said these things about the bill that was passed. They said it about the original bill last NOVEMBER when the criminal provisions were IN THE BILL.
Neil Cavuto admitted that Fox News has pushed the false claim that under the health care reform legislation individuals can be sent to jail for not having health insurance, saying: "I've researched this and a number of Fox personalities had made that comment." Cavuto's acknowledgment contradicts Bill O'Reilly's false claim that "[n]obody" on Fox advanced the assertion.
#46. To: go65 (#45)
(Edited)
#47. To: go65 (#44)
I'm still waiting for you to produce the quote in which Brown says he wants to shut down the VA health system.
#48. To: go65 (#45)
Neil Cavuto admitted that Fox News has pushed the false claim that under the health care reform legislation individuals can be sent to jail for not having health insurance, saying: "I've researched this and a number of Fox personalities had made that comment." Cavuto's acknowledgment contradicts Bill O'Reilly's false claim that "[n]obody" on Fox advanced the assertion.
#49. To: Boofer (#48)
(Edited)
Nobody on Fox News has EVER SAID the bill that was PASSED had a criminal penalty.
#50. To: go65 (#45)
You have been destroyed again:
#51. To: Fred Mertz (#50)
#52. To: Boofer, Fred Mertz (#51)
With nothing of substance to offer to the discussion!
#53. To: Badeye (#48)
O'Reilly: Well, tell me, what -- because it doesn't happen here. And we researched to find out if anybody on Fox News had ever said you're going to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Nobody's ever said it.
#54. To: go65 (#53)
#55. To: Badeye (#54)
(Edited)
You and Media Matters took comments from last November about the healthcare bill as it was written at THAT TIME, and included criminal penalties for not purchasing healthcare insurance, and are trying to say Fox News said this about the bill that was eventually passed.
#56. To: go65 (#55)
You are wrong again, there were criminal penalties for not paying the fine for not carrying insurance, not for not purchasing insurance.
#57. To: Badeye (#56)
Utterly false. As of November 9th, 2009, the legislation in the Senate called for possible criminal penalties, including incarceration and fines.
Earlier versions of reform legislation provided for "criminal penalties" only for those who refused to pay the fee. Both the House and the Senate versions of health care reform required individuals to be covered by a minimum level of health insurance or pay a monetary penalty. A November 2009 letter from the Joint Committee on Taxation on the House health care bill stated that individuals who did not have such coverage and refused to pay the fine would be subject to "civil and criminal penalties for noncompliance." The committee's letter explains that the tax code provides penalties to prevent tax evasion of any sort: "The Code provides for both civil and criminal penalties to ensure complete and accurate reporting of tax liability and to discourage fraudulent attempts to defeat or evade tax." [Joint Committee on Taxation letter, 11/5/09]
#58. To: Badeye (#56)
You can play dumb about it if you want. Media Matters flat out lied on this, NBC and Time Magazine didn't bother to check...and you haven't had an original thought in seven years and counting, as this demonstrates.
#59. To: go65 (#57)
Earlier versions of reform legislation provided for "criminal penalties"
#60. To: go65 (#58)
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