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Title: Newly-minted Sen. Scott Brown refuses Palin, Tea Party invite
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URL Source: http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0412/ne ... rown-snubs-palin-tea-partiers/
Published: Apr 12, 2010
Author: John Byrne
Post Date: 2010-04-12 11:47:10 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 21360
Comments: 60
The honeymoon, it seems, is over. Sen. Scott Brown, whose unexpected victory saw the end of a legacy of liberalism in Massachusetts, is now refusing an invitation from the Tea Party movement -- and Sarah Palin, the very figures who helped Brown score his Senate seat. Tea Partiers are gathering for a massive rally on Boston Common where Palin is scheduled to speak Wednesday. Some experts, not surprisingly, are saying Brown has tossed the Tea Party overboard. “He wants to mainstream himself before the election,” Larry Sabato, a University of Virginia political scientist, told the Boston Herald, which broke the story. “You’re worried at a rally that there’s a sign, a statement, an incident that’s certifiably cuckoo occurs,” political analyst Lou DiNatale told the paper. “To win re-election, Scott Brown floating to the right is a serious problem. “And showing up at a Sarah Palin, Tea Party event is not the way to the middle.”
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#5. To: Brian S (#0)
are these folks not aware that Scott Brown voted for RomneyCare?
You unaware it wasn't a national vote, but a state one? both the Masscare and nationalization of healthcare are failures...citing it the Masscare as a 'negative' seems a bit self destructive given your view.
Then why does the Tea Party want Scott Brown, who endorsed Masscare, to speak? And why did Rush Limbaugh praise Mitt Romney as a true Conservative? And why did Mitt Romney just win the Southern Republican Leadership Conference straw-poll for President in 2012 (and the CPAC straw poll 3 out of the last 4 years)? So if I read this right, Tea Partiers/Conservatives love Scott Brown and Mitt Romney but hate their policies? Is hypocrisy a requirement to join this movement?
Because he learned from Masscare, and wants to cut spending and taxes, which are the two primary concerns of the Tea Party's base. You'd know this if you spent 1/10th of the time you have mocking them, and actually listen.
I keep reverting back to my tag line Badeye: And yet the Tea Party invites him to speak at their rally, and we're supposed to take the Tea Party seriously?
You pretend he didn't learn anything from that vote, and its now documented repercussions. He KNOWS what it did to the financial state of affairs in Mass. He's said it enough times...so what, exactly, is your point?
"I believe that all Americans deserve health care coverage" Scott Brown.
And? He doesn't believe its efficent to have the Federal Government provide it, as you know from the rest of the quote.
Whoa, Brown supports eliminating the VA medical system? Since when? Do you have a quote? After all, the VA system is the only method by which the Federal Government provides healthcare (other than for active duty service personnel). Does Brown want to eliminate the Medical Services Corps as well? Did you even bother to put the slightest bit of thought into this argument?
Is that one of them whatchamacallit questions? Reformical? But FOX News told me that Obama is GIVING me health care...are you stating that he isn't? Why would FOX News lie to me?
Did you see O'Reilly attack Tom Coburn for Coburn's claim that Fox News misleads? O'Reilly claimed that nobody at Fox ever said anyone would go to jail if they didn't have health insurance. Yet there are numerous examples of O'Reilly himself, and Glenn Beck, claiming exactly that. But you and I keep making the mistake in thinking facts matter to folks like Badeye. The reality is the bill enacted a few weeks ago reforms insurance, it doesn't result in the federal government providing care. The only place where that happens is in the VA system and the military. So if the GOP wants to advocate that military medical services and VA hospitals should be eliminated, let them go for it.
Coburn couldn't cite a single example when pressed repeatedly by O'Reilly. Neither can you, I suspect. Facts do matter, thats why I ask you to cut and paste the absurd claim you made on another thread about Brown and the VA. You made something up, attributed it to me, and then demand I answer you. Facts indeed, GO65. Give me the quotes you claim were made by O'Reilly on this thread. I'll check back. Nobody has advocated eliminating 'military medical services' or the VA that I'm aware of. Show me who, with the quote, I'll join you in denouncing them. And lets not confuse demanding waste be cut from both as a 'demand they be eliminated'.
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Congressman John Shadegg just introduced a resolution about a problems he sees in the health care bill that could affect you directly. Joining us live is Congressman John Shadegg. Good evening, Congressman. So I see you brought all your homework and your research. So first of all, what's the problem? REP. JOHN SHADEGG, R - ARIZ.: Well, the problem is that in August (INAUDIBLE) a bill that might fine us, and now we've discovered that the bill has criminal penalties. VAN SUSTEREN: How's -- I mean, like, in what way? I mean, if I don't do something under the bill, I could get charged criminally? SHADEGG: What the bill says is that this is a tax. If you don't buy health insurance and you don't by government-approved health insurance, then they will impose a tax on you and they told you how much the tax was. But unfortunately, the code says that if you don't pay the tax, that's a misdemeanor, and we can fine you more, in this case, an additional $25,000. And on top of that, we can put you in jail for up to a year. ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~
SHADEGG: What the bill says is that this is a tax. If you don't buy health insurance and you don't by government-approved health insurance, then they will impose a tax on you and they told you how much the tax was. But unfortunately, the code says that if you don't pay the tax, that's a misdemeanor, and we can fine you more, in this case, an additional $25,000. And on top of that, we can put you in jail for up to a year. As if facts matter to Badeye. In the words of George Constanza, "it's not a lie if you believe it"
Greta ASKING A QUESTION isn't saying 'you go to jail'. I understand my insane anti groupie asserting such a thing. You however? Wow. Being a Democrat in the year 2010 means you Ignore Reality.
What part of that was unclear? Sorry Badeye, any time you try to actually debate facts, you lose.
You aren't interested in 'debate' rotfl! She asked a question, it doesn't show anything other than inquisitiveness required of her JOB. Hey, the bright side is under Owe-bama, she still has a job, unlike tens of millions of other Americans as I type this.
Nobody at Fox News said these things about the bill that was passed. They said it about the original bill last NOVEMBER when the criminal provisions were IN THE BILL. Bird talking from media matters makes you look ridiculous. As everybody knows those provisions were stripped from the final draft, because it wouldn't have passed otherwise.
You have been destroyed again:
Wrong again. When those comments were made in NOVEMBER of 2009, the criminal penalties were IN THE BILL. They were 100% Fact based AT THE TIME. Nobody on Fox News has EVER SAID the bill that was PASSED had a criminal penalty. You keep using Media Matters, and you keep looking ridiculous.
Wrong again:
#54. To: go65 (#53)
Now you're just being childish. Its expected, you always get this way when outted. You and Media Matters took comments from last November about the healthcare bill as it was written at THAT TIME, and included criminal penalties for not purchasing healthcare insurance, and are trying to say Fox News said this about the bill that was eventually passed. You know it, anyone that looks into it sees this immediately. btw, O'Reilly eviscerated this bullshit last night in the opening 'talking points' segment. Noted clowns like you, NBC and Time Magazine are reporting Media Matter's propaganda as if its 'fact based' when it simply isn't.
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#6. To: go65 (#5)
#8. To: Badeye (#6)
(Edited)
both the Masscare and nationalization of healthcare are failures...citing it the Masscare as a 'negative' seems a bit self destructive given your view.
#11. To: go65 (#8)
#14. To: Badeye (#11)
Because he learned from Masscare, and wants to cut spending and taxes, which are the two primary concerns of the Tea Party's base.
So in the second vote of his Senate career, Brown promptly voted to help Democrats cut off a Republican filibuster of a $15 billion jobs bill engineered by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV).
"It's not a perfect bill," Brown said shortly after voting. "I was comfortable with that vote."
#17. To: go65 (#14)
#19. To: Badeye (#17)
#20. To: go65 (#19)
#21. To: Badeye (#20)
And? He doesn't believe its efficent to have the Federal Government provide it, as you know from the rest of the quote.
#22. To: go65 (#21)
(Edited)
Did you even bother to put the slightest bit of thought into this argument?
#26. To: war, badeye, bartcoprules (#22)
Is that one of them whatchamacallit questions? Reformical? But FOX News told me that Obama is GIVING me health care...are you stating that he isn't? Why would FOX News lie to me?
#29. To: go65 (#26)
Did you see O'Reilly attack Tom Coburn for Coburn's claim that Fox News misleads? O'Reilly claimed that nobody at Fox ever said anyone would go to jail if they didn't have health insurance. Yet there are numerous examples of O'Reilly himself, and Glenn Beck, claiming exactly that.
#31. To: Badeye (#29)
#33. To: war (#31)
VAN SUSTEREN: How's -- I mean, like, in what way? I mean, if I don't do something under the bill, I could get charged criminally?
#35. To: go65 (#33)
#36. To: Badeye (#35)
Greta ASKING A QUESTION isn't saying 'you go to jail'.
And on top of that, we can put you in jail for up to a year.
#37. To: go65 (#36)
#38. To: Badeye (#37)
And on top of that, we can put you in jail for up to a year.
#42. To: go65 (#38)
#45. To: Badeye, murron, dont eat that, sneakypete, fred mertz, war (#42)
Nobody at Fox News said these things about the bill that was passed. They said it about the original bill last NOVEMBER when the criminal provisions were IN THE BILL.
Neil Cavuto admitted that Fox News has pushed the false claim that under the health care reform legislation individuals can be sent to jail for not having health insurance, saying: "I've researched this and a number of Fox personalities had made that comment." Cavuto's acknowledgment contradicts Bill O'Reilly's false claim that "[n]obody" on Fox advanced the assertion.
#48. To: go65 (#45)
Neil Cavuto admitted that Fox News has pushed the false claim that under the health care reform legislation individuals can be sent to jail for not having health insurance, saying: "I've researched this and a number of Fox personalities had made that comment." Cavuto's acknowledgment contradicts Bill O'Reilly's false claim that "[n]obody" on Fox advanced the assertion.
#53. To: Badeye (#48)
O'Reilly: Well, tell me, what -- because it doesn't happen here. And we researched to find out if anybody on Fox News had ever said you're going to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Nobody's ever said it.
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