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Title: Goldi-Lox Explains the Civil War
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URL Source: http://69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=287235&Disp=13#C13
Published: Apr 9, 2010
Author: Goldi-Lox
Post Date: 2010-04-09 19:08:35 by Skip Intro
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Views: 18284
Comments: 145

THAT is bullshit.

The civil war was all about MONEY.

The South wanted to sell their crops to Foreign Nations and use their own ports.

FEDGOV said NO. You have to ship them up North, and let our middlemen sell them to nations WE choose at prices we select.

The South was getting HOSED. One of the reasons they had slaves was due to the North imposing these rules on them. They couldn't afford to pay wages.

Now, some of them were very greedy, no doubt...and that is evidenced in the grand homes they built.

However, many southern farmers were barely breaking even and were sick and tired of it. They wanted to use the ports in SC and GA to ship their products and wanted to sell to France and others at better prices than they were getting.

FEDGOV imposed rules on them....so they seceded in order to run their own farms.

However, once fighting broke out, and a civil war was in place Lincoln decided to break the backs of the South, by freeing the slaves who he hoped would fight them in their own towns and plantations. That didn't happen.

Lincoln used Slavery as an excuse for a lot of the actions he engaged in. He was as bad as Obastard...he imprisoned the entire Maryland Assembly (Govt) including the Governor, so they could not vote to seceed. He kept them imprisoned in Fort McHenry for MONTHS. He committed a lot of atrocities. He is no hero. He was a jerk - and an abuser of our Constitution. In fact, read the words of the state song "Maryland my Maryland" - where it says "The tyrants food is on our shores/neck"...that tyrant was Lincoln.

Most blacks who were slaves were well treated, and did not want to leave their homes...and most didn't. Those who were mistreated did, and flooded the cities in the north...from which they have never recovered.

But few slaves - or freedmen - were engaged in the fighting.

Booth was a hero to the South. And still is today.

Goldi-Lox posted on 2010-04-09 18:57:04 ET Reply Trace

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#75. To: sneakypete (#71)

Abraham Lincoln was the one who was most responsible for forming the CSA.

The CSA was formed before Lincoln took office.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   22:08:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: sneakypete (#67)

"Slavery was a wet dream come true for the left,and Obama is trying to bring it back to thundering applause from them."

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-10   23:15:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: war (#65)

How hard is to understand that if there were no slavery there would have been no war?

I turn on CNN maybe once a year. I did happen to see Roland Martin debate this issue with Brag Bowling on Anderson Cooper. Roland is a professing Christian, but all I could feel for the man was pity. The only thing I saw reflected in him was a seeking after power, which left him filled with hate, and not the love of Christ.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-11   0:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: no gnu taxes (#35)

Give me a comparison of what the so called Palestinian people get from the the rest of the world versus what Israel gets.

I mean, when you use your resources to equip your toddlers with suicide bombs, what kind of lifestyle can you hope to have?

I wonder why, o why, doesn't the oil rich Islamic world help the poor Palestinians? Maybe they want to keep them as victims.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-11   0:21:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: sneakypete (#68)

The VP of the Confederacy was a Founding Father?

Of the CSA, of which Biden and Gore were not of the ....U S of A. It's not hard to understand.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-11   1:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#66)

I'm sorry, you're saying Lincoln started the war to free the slaves?

Your duplicity is getting rather tedious, just where did I say that? Are you Paul CJ? As you post just like him.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-11   1:21:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: GarySpFC (#78)

I wonder why, o why, doesn't the oil rich Islamic world help the poor Palestinians? Maybe they want to keep them as victims.

Why should they have to help them? Isn't that more of that socialism that you hate but evidently advocate for others to follow when it's convenient?

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-11   1:37:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: GarySpFC (#77)

Funny...I usually see that in people who CLAIM to be filled with Christ...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-11   7:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: mininggold (#81)

C'mon man...you looking for consistency?

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-11   7:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Skip Intro (#74)

Personally, I wish Lincoln had let the South go. Of course,if he had then we'd have another turd world country along our souther border to deal with.

Proving once again that all you lefties are delusional.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-11   10:17:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Skip Intro (#74)

Personally, I wish Lincoln had let the South go.

I'm getting to the point of sharing your opinion.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-04-11   10:59:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: mininggold (#81)

Why should they have to help them? Isn't that more of that socialism that you hate but evidently advocate for others to follow when it's convenient?

There is a major difference between the state and individuals helping people. Helping individuals with other people's money is just a form of selfishness.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-11   11:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: GarySpFC (#86) (Edited)

There is a major difference between the state and individuals helping people. Helping individuals with other people's money is just a form of selfishness.

I'm all in favor of individuals giving to charity, but suggesting that others should do it is another form of socialism. Maybe you should get your church to organize an "adopt a Palestinian family" program. That might be one way that they can repay their never ending debt to Israel, by helping to keep it safe.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-11   11:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: sneakypete (#84)

Proving once again that all you lefties are delusional.

How is that left or right?

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-11   11:46:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: mininggold (#88)

How is that left or right?

If pete disagrees with you then, by definition, you are a "leftie".

It's Goldi-Lox logic.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-11   12:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Skip Intro, sneakypete (#89)

If pete disagrees with you then, by definition, you are a "leftie".

It's Goldi-Lox logic.

I guess so. And he sticks with his comparison of Gore and Biden with the VP of the CSA.... that's pretty pathetic.

I do agree with him that the Lincoln candidacy was the catalyst but I also think it would have happened with almost any Yankee elected as president in that era.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-11   13:04:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: mininggold (#90) (Edited)

I do agree with him that the Lincoln candidacy was the catalyst but I also think it would have happened with almost any Yankee elected as president in that era.

The die was cast in 1858. Unless all future states were to be allowed to be slave states, the South was going to secede.

The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. - Thomas Jefferson

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-11   13:06:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Skip Intro (#91) (Edited)

The die was cast in 1858. Unless all future states were to be allowed to be slave states, the South was going to secede.

It was uncertain then that they would form another union though. Some states were still willing to go it alone. With the candidacy of Lincoln and the appearance that he probably would win, they decided they needed to unite ASAP.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-11   13:12:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Fred Mertz (#13)

This one is a keeper: (Rant by the Maggot)

It looks like Goldi is getting ready to purge her site of all Israel critics, even if they're Jewish.

The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. - Thomas Jefferson

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-11   20:34:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Skip Intro (#93)

I've been out of touch for nearly two days and I'm trying to catch up.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-04-11   21:03:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: mininggold (#88)

How is that left or right?

Such profound ignorance can only come from the left. It's not only taught in the public schools,but for northerners it is genetic.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-11   22:13:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: mininggold (#90)

I guess so. And he sticks with his comparison of Gore and Biden with the VP of the CSA.... that's pretty pathetic.

They were all VP's,numbnuts. And my comparison was in response to one of your brain farts.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-11   22:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: sneakypete (#96) (Edited)

They were all VP's,numbnuts. And my comparison was in response to one of your brain farts.

They were VPs from different countries and in different eras ....numbnuts. Why don't you just admit your apples to oranges comparison. It really does affect what's left of your credibility.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-12   1:12:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: sneakypete (#96) (Edited)

And my comparison was in response to one of your brain farts.

Which you neglected to mention or refer to in any post. And you talk about others having brain farts.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-12   1:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: mininggold (#97)

They were VPs from different countries and in different eras ...

Oh,well. That makes all the difference in the world,doesn't it?

Tell me,is a horse in NY still a horse in Florida? And the day I start to worry about what a cretin like you thinks of my credibility is the day I hang myself.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-12   6:14:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: sneakypete (#27)

Sorry, sneaky, but the fact is the South wanted slavery to continue. If it had not been THE issue throughout the 1850's, the Civil War would not have occured.

'The Lost Cause' myth says it was a war about 'States Rights'.

What was the 'primary Right' the South desired above all others?

As the CSA Constitution Clearly STATES - the Right to maintain SLAVERY as a institution.

Had the CSA abolished slavery, THEN fired on Ft Sumter, they would have won.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-12   9:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#62)

So Lincoln went to war to free the slaves?????

Is that what you're here to tell us?

Now I believe Goldi is a loon, but why don't you share with us your take on the civil war?

Actually, the South fired the first shot. Lets at least agree on the timeline of events.

No, Lincoln did NOT go to war to 'free the slaves'. He responded to the initial attack on a Federal Government military installation.

My 'take' is the South wins if the abolish slavery as an institution, then fires on Ft Sumter. Europe would have broken the blockade that was eventually placed around the South's neck and effectively strangled it. Doubt they would have provided ground troops, but then again I don't think the South would have needed them as the first 3 years of the war demonstrated.

But anyone attempting to say the war wasn't about 'slavery' is kidding themselves. The Civil War has been accurately described as 'being bracketed by the actions of TWO madmen. Abolitionist John Brown, and John Wilkes Booth'.

'The Lost Cause' theory promulgated by Southerns such as Jubal Early is the one instance in world history (my opinion here specifically) where the 'Losing Side' was allowed to write 'the history' without rebuke or debunking or...punishment of some kind. Not saying there should have been 'punishment' for it...just noting its curious in the history of warfare, IE winners v losers.

It was designed to remove the obvious, it was about slavery...and it was designed to shift blame for the loss of the war from Robert E Lee specifically and shift it to General James Longstreet, who Early despised. The whole 'theory' came about after Longstreet threw in after the war with his good friend US Grant, and became a Republican appointee.

It wasn't helped that Longstreet after Lee died painted himself in a light that history simply didn't support on some key facts, especially related to the battle most attribute to leading to the South's defeat, Gettysburg. After that debacle, which Lee himself is to blame for, the ANV (Army of Northern Virginia) was never an effective offensive force, having gutted itself over those three bloody days.

My view is the South wins in the first 24 months of that war had they rejected the institution of slavery. Its also my view the CSA would have witnessed multiple states suceed from IT within a couple of years...and the end result is the 20th century would have seen a North America that resembled modern day Europe, fractured into as many as 12 'nation states'. Again here, my 'opinion' specifically.

Consider how WW1 and/or WW2 would have ended had that taken place....facinating the consider the ramifications...at least to me.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-12   9:16:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Badeye (#100)

Sorry, sneaky, but the fact is the South wanted slavery to continue. If it had not been THE issue throughout the 1850's, the Civil War would not have occured.

Sorry Badeye, but you are dead wrong. You simply do not understand the Southern psyche. Southerners are a very proud group, and the aristrocrats by the time of the CW had already decided slavery was morally wrong, but in spite of that they were not about to allow outsiders to push something down their throats.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-12   10:15:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: GarySpFC (#102)

I posted the statements of seccession...given that they clearly state that SLAVERY IS THE MAIN REASON FOR THEIR SECCESSION it's insane to believe otherwise.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-12   10:18:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: GarySpFC (#102)

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

That statement is false, btw.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-12   10:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: war (#103) (Edited)

I posted the statements of seccession...given that they clearly state that SLAVERY IS THE MAIN REASON FOR THEIR SECCESSION it's insane to believe otherwise.

Cleary that is what was stated, and that was the reaction due to outsiders telling them how to run their business. Go read Forrest's speech to the Polebearers again, and remember it was from a former slave trader.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-12   10:36:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: GarySpFC (#105)

You want me to accept the statement of one person as being above the statements of a body of people?

You have the Calhoun problem too, you know...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-12   10:39:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: sneakypete (#99)

Oh,well. That makes all the difference in the world,doesn't it?

Tell me,is a horse in NY still a horse in Florida? And the day I start to worry about what a cretin like you thinks of my credibility is the day I hang myself.

Only if you are interested in accuracy.

Name calling..... such a lefty tactic.... too bad you used to be better than that. And yes you started it. Now you appear only interested in thinking you are right. Facts seem to not matter at all.

To compare those VPs as being similiar was to insult and minimize the role of the VP of the CSA.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-12   10:53:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: war (#106) (Edited)

You want me to accept the statement of one person as being above the statements of a body of people?

You have the Calhoun problem too, you know...

There have been so many lies told about Forrest, with a goal of maintaining victim status, that I simply do not see your side as moving one iota from your position regardless of the evidence. Hate is a important motivator from your side's POV, and he is the example.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-12   11:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: GarySpFC (#102)

Sorry, but those 'aristocrats' codified it in the CSA Constitution, as a post way up above quoted exactly.

I understand the 'Southern psyche' quite well. I also know today its based on the Lost Cause bullshit thats been utterly discredited by historians from both Northern and Southern perspectives.

The South today likes to either pretend it 'wasn't about slavery' or pretends the war never happened (See Atlanta - who's historical time line ends in the 1850's and picks back up in the 1870's).

Your statement is further 'gutted' by the simple fact that the notion of arming 'blacks' in the South to bolster the vastly outnumbered CSA forces was considered by a vast majority within the legislature to be 'treason'. Or suicidal, take your pick.

And tell me, if they had decided it was 'morally wrong' and only resisted because 'they wouldn't allow it to be pushed down their throats'....ah, morally wrong is MORALLY WRONG.

What you state here is something I noted way up above, the South - like the British Empire of that ear, would rather 'lose the war than admit the mistake'.

They could have won. The decision to codify Slavery in their Constitution was in the end the deciding factor. It prevented any possibility of the worlds great powers from siding with the CSA. It gave Lincoln a huge advantage in the North to 'define' the war as it was taking place, not only taking and holding the 'moral highground' of the era, but to this day. Not saying he was fighting the war over slavery, thats simply not true as his own words up until his assasination clearly demonstrate.

But the fact is the CSA died of a theory. The theory was they could suceed from the Union AND keep a Institution (Slavery) without repercussions that doomed it to failure.

The simple fact of this matter is the Union, despite all of its advantages in manpower, and manufacturing, couldn't get out of its own way til Grant was promoted to command of ALL Union forces, in both theaters. The war shouldn't have lasted more than 18 months, tops, given the disparity in military and economic forces. It was only due to Union incompetence the war lasted four years in my view.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-12   11:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Badeye (#109)

Sorry, but those 'aristocrats' codified it in the CSA Constitution, as a post way up above quoted exactly.

Codification seems to not matter here. And if you are from the south you are entitled to read into it what you want.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-12   11:08:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: GarySpFC (#108)

I don't hate anyone. And BFD is he gave a speech.

NO SLAVERY = NO WAR.

Period...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-12   11:21:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Boofer (#109)

It was only due to Union incompetence the war lasted four years in my view.

And everyone else's, Boof. (eyes rolling)

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-12   11:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: war, GaryspFC (#111)

I don't hate anyone. And BFD is he gave a speech.

NO SLAVERY = NO WAR.

Period...

Evidently Gary is saying you can't believe those who made the military their career, even when it was put on the record. Maybe he is right... he ought to know.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-12   11:35:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Badeye (#109)

Have you considered what percentage of Southerners owned slaves?

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-12   12:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: GarySpFC (#114)

Have you considered what percentage of Southerners owned slaves?

Yep. Which is why your comment about 'artistocrats' previously simply doesn't hold water.

It wasn't the vast majority of Southerners that fought and died in that war that 'codified Slavery' in the CSA Constitution.

The average Southerner didn't own slaves. They were sold on supporting the war as a 'states rights' issue, and it was adroitly played by that aristocratic class as a 'matter of honor' to the hilt.

But it doesn't change the facts as written by the CSA's own hand in its Constitution. Yep, States Rights was a central, key theme. But the next question after that acknowledgement is 'States Rights to do WHAT?'

And the answer cannot be denied. 'To maintain the Institution of Slavery'.

The Federal Government was doing what it does to this day, taxing unfairly. No dispute. But there is a way to deal with that, via the Constitution. If that was the only issue, there would never have been a Civil War in my view.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-12   12:29:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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