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Title: Goldi-Lox Explains the Civil War
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URL Source: http://69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=287235&Disp=13#C13
Published: Apr 9, 2010
Author: Goldi-Lox
Post Date: 2010-04-09 19:08:35 by Skip Intro
Keywords: None
Views: 19311
Comments: 145

THAT is bullshit.

The civil war was all about MONEY.

The South wanted to sell their crops to Foreign Nations and use their own ports.

FEDGOV said NO. You have to ship them up North, and let our middlemen sell them to nations WE choose at prices we select.

The South was getting HOSED. One of the reasons they had slaves was due to the North imposing these rules on them. They couldn't afford to pay wages.

Now, some of them were very greedy, no doubt...and that is evidenced in the grand homes they built.

However, many southern farmers were barely breaking even and were sick and tired of it. They wanted to use the ports in SC and GA to ship their products and wanted to sell to France and others at better prices than they were getting.

FEDGOV imposed rules on them....so they seceded in order to run their own farms.

However, once fighting broke out, and a civil war was in place Lincoln decided to break the backs of the South, by freeing the slaves who he hoped would fight them in their own towns and plantations. That didn't happen.

Lincoln used Slavery as an excuse for a lot of the actions he engaged in. He was as bad as Obastard...he imprisoned the entire Maryland Assembly (Govt) including the Governor, so they could not vote to seceed. He kept them imprisoned in Fort McHenry for MONTHS. He committed a lot of atrocities. He is no hero. He was a jerk - and an abuser of our Constitution. In fact, read the words of the state song "Maryland my Maryland" - where it says "The tyrants food is on our shores/neck"...that tyrant was Lincoln.

Most blacks who were slaves were well treated, and did not want to leave their homes...and most didn't. Those who were mistreated did, and flooded the cities in the north...from which they have never recovered.

But few slaves - or freedmen - were engaged in the fighting.

Booth was a hero to the South. And still is today.

Goldi-Lox posted on 2010-04-09 18:57:04 ET Reply Trace

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#1. To: Skip Intro (#0)

oh my...I'm so glad I'm not associated with stormfront lite.

Somebody should tell this silly woman it was about State Rights.

The primary Right the South asserted was to allow Slavery. Hence its being codified within the CSA's Constitution, cleary...consisely..and beyond any doubt of even a total idiot.

Which is why the CSA never could obtain an intervention from any civilized nation, and lost the war.

More to it, obviously...but given Sally's small mind, figure I'd keep it simple.

What a fuckin nutcase.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-09   19:22:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Badeye (#1)

Goldi is outdoing herself today. I guess she's out of work again.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-09   19:29:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Skip Intro (#2)

Goldi is outeydoing herself today.

But hey!!! She did the research...

war  posted on  2010-04-09   19:30:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: war (#3)

Don't tell me,let me guess. You think it was about slavery,huh?

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-09   19:34:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: sneakypete (#5)

You think it was about slavery,huh?

So did these guys:

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

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A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery...

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Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union

The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

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Confederate States of America - A Declaration of the Causes which Impel the State of Texas to Secede from the Federal Union

exas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slaveholding States.

By the disloyalty of the Northern States and their citizens and the imbecility of the Federal Government, infamous combinations of incendiaries and outlaws have been permitted in those States and the common territory of Kansas to trample upon the federal laws, to war upon the lives and property of Southern citizens in that territory, and finally, by violence and mob law, to usurp the possession of the same as exclusively the property of the Northern States.

war  posted on  2010-04-09   19:55:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: war (#8)

You think it was about slavery,huh?

So did these guys:

Nice spin. Ever heard of a gun named Abraham Lincoln? He's the guy that started the war,and he said he slavery had nothing to do with it.

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   8:43:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: sneakypete (#20)

Nice spin. Ever heard of a gun named Abraham Lincoln?

So I provide you with the words of the VP of the CSA saying flat-out that secession was due to slavery, and you blow it off.

The war was over secession, and secession was over slavery. I don't know how much clearer it can be.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   11:50:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Skip Intro, sneakeypete (#36)

So I provide you with the words of the VP of the CSA saying flat-out that secession was due to slavery, and you blow it off.

And the comparison he used really shoots his credibility too. I'm surprised.

It's not like your source wasn't instrumental in the forming of the CSA. I guess only second party sources or less should count as "authorities". lol

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:11:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: mininggold (#41)

I'm still trying to find Goldi's source for this:

The South wanted to sell their crops to Foreign Nations and use their own ports.

FEDGOV said NO. You have to ship them up North, and let our middlemen sell them to nations WE choose at prices we select.

The South was getting HOSED. One of the reasons they had slaves was due to the North imposing these rules on them. They couldn't afford to pay wages.

Maybe it's hidden in Israel and only Marguerite knows where.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   12:24:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Skip Intro (#49)

The South wanted to sell their crops to Foreign Nations and use their own ports.

Irrelevant, the war wasn't about slavery.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-04-10   14:36:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#63)

Irrelevant, the war wasn't about slavery.

Sure it was ....only it wasn't just about slavery.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   14:38:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: mininggold (#64)

What in the hell happened to this guy?

#14. To: Goldi-Lox (#13)

Good post. The war was more about money and federal power than it was about slavery. Slavery was the flashpoint and is used to justify it. The South and North were also pretty antagonistic toward each other in general, much like the divide between Red States and Blue States now.

TooConservative posted on 2010-04-09 19:42:56 ET Reply Trace

How hard is to understand that if there were no slavery there would have been no war?

war  posted on  2010-04-10   21:13:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: war (#65)

How hard is to understand that if there were no slavery there would have been no war?

I turn on CNN maybe once a year. I did happen to see Roland Martin debate this issue with Brag Bowling on Anderson Cooper. Roland is a professing Christian, but all I could feel for the man was pity. The only thing I saw reflected in him was a seeking after power, which left him filled with hate, and not the love of Christ.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-11   0:12:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: GarySpFC (#77)

Funny...I usually see that in people who CLAIM to be filled with Christ...

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