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Title: Goldi-Lox Explains the Civil War
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URL Source: http://69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=287235&Disp=13#C13
Published: Apr 9, 2010
Author: Goldi-Lox
Post Date: 2010-04-09 19:08:35 by Skip Intro
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Views: 18280
Comments: 145

THAT is bullshit.

The civil war was all about MONEY.

The South wanted to sell their crops to Foreign Nations and use their own ports.

FEDGOV said NO. You have to ship them up North, and let our middlemen sell them to nations WE choose at prices we select.

The South was getting HOSED. One of the reasons they had slaves was due to the North imposing these rules on them. They couldn't afford to pay wages.

Now, some of them were very greedy, no doubt...and that is evidenced in the grand homes they built.

However, many southern farmers were barely breaking even and were sick and tired of it. They wanted to use the ports in SC and GA to ship their products and wanted to sell to France and others at better prices than they were getting.

FEDGOV imposed rules on them....so they seceded in order to run their own farms.

However, once fighting broke out, and a civil war was in place Lincoln decided to break the backs of the South, by freeing the slaves who he hoped would fight them in their own towns and plantations. That didn't happen.

Lincoln used Slavery as an excuse for a lot of the actions he engaged in. He was as bad as Obastard...he imprisoned the entire Maryland Assembly (Govt) including the Governor, so they could not vote to seceed. He kept them imprisoned in Fort McHenry for MONTHS. He committed a lot of atrocities. He is no hero. He was a jerk - and an abuser of our Constitution. In fact, read the words of the state song "Maryland my Maryland" - where it says "The tyrants food is on our shores/neck"...that tyrant was Lincoln.

Most blacks who were slaves were well treated, and did not want to leave their homes...and most didn't. Those who were mistreated did, and flooded the cities in the north...from which they have never recovered.

But few slaves - or freedmen - were engaged in the fighting.

Booth was a hero to the South. And still is today.

Goldi-Lox posted on 2010-04-09 18:57:04 ET Reply Trace

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#47. To: no gnu taxes (#46)

Answering a question with a question. Typical ploy of libtards and Paultards. Answer my question and I will answer yours'.

I didn't fall for your bait so you are pissed. Poor baby.

I don't care if you answer or not, as you already have stated that certain countries get an automatic pass for whatever they want to do.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:21:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: sneakypete (#20)
(Edited)

Nice spin. Ever heard of a gun named Abraham Lincoln? He's the guy that started the war,and he said he slavery had nothing to do with it.

I suppose history being written by the victors, it's no wonder many are confused today.

Years ago I ran across a website (I'll try and find them again), of the decendents of black slaves that discovered the truth about the War of Aggression, and made it their goal to get the truth out, once and for all, that the war was not fought over slavery, as they had been spoon fed all their lives. They found that their ancestors did fight in that war, but they fought for the South.

Lincoln had given Maine the option of keeping their slaves, if they didn't secede, he didn't give a damn about the slaves, he wanted control over the states...Lincoln actually did what our government today is threatening, they're going to turn their federal thugs loose on the citizens they have declared 'terrorist'...anyone who dares question their agenda, it's a Federal takeover, but it won't be called that, the people themselves will be the combatants, the enemy!

Murron  posted on  2010-04-10   12:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: mininggold (#41)

I'm still trying to find Goldi's source for this:

The South wanted to sell their crops to Foreign Nations and use their own ports.

FEDGOV said NO. You have to ship them up North, and let our middlemen sell them to nations WE choose at prices we select.

The South was getting HOSED. One of the reasons they had slaves was due to the North imposing these rules on them. They couldn't afford to pay wages.

Maybe it's hidden in Israel and only Marguerite knows where.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   12:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Murron (#48)

if they didn't secede, he didn't give a damn about the slaves

That's right, he cared about preserving the Union.

Why can't you gomers figure that out?

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   12:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: mininggold (#47)

Answer my question and I will answer yours'

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-10   12:27:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: GarySpFC (#42)

No, were Christians, not those cursed by God.

I don't quite know what you are saying but Jesus made it real clear what he thought of the Pharisees and I don't see it mentioned that Christians should donate blood and treasure so they could have a homeland.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Skip Intro (#50)

That's right, he cared about preserving the Union.

Why can't you gomers figure that out?

As evidenced by the mandating of non secession clauses in their new revised state constitutions. Texas which was even it's own republic just a few years prior to the CW cannot now secede legally.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: mininggold (#53)

Secession began before Lincoln took office, although his election was definitely a catalyst for it. The previous president, Buchanan didn't want to deal with it.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   12:42:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Skip Intro (#0)

Israel can expect a new immigrant in the near future. Who wouldn't want to live in the country with the bestest, brightest people? Other than that, what she says makes some sense though so probably she needs a little more reeducation before making the big move.

Oh I initially didn't read the part about it only needing to toe the line for 2.5 years when evidently it will get unfettered access to our treasury after the GOP takes back the presidency.

#30. To: Marguerite (#29)

In the face of the Obastard, Israel should be a nation unto itself.

Have NO relationships with any nation that requires them to run their nation other than how they choose to run it.

That would be parity with every other nation.

They need to ramp up quickly to manufacture the missiles they had previously planned to buy from the USA. Obastard has frozen those sales. Likely permanently.

Israel CAN make them themselves...and should do so immediately.

The Israeli Jews are the smartest people on earth, and the most productive. Now they need to be 100% self-reliant.

...At least for the next 2.5 years until we can flush this piece of s**t from our White House

Goldi-Lox posted on 2010-04-10 12:32:12 ET Reply Trace

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:51:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Skip Intro (#54)

Secession began before Lincoln took office, although his election was definitely a catalyst for it. The previous president, Buchanan didn't want to deal with it.

I also think part of it was not wanting the ocean confluence of the mighty Mississip to be controlled by another country.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:57:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: mininggold (#56)

I also think part of it was not wanting the ocean confluence of the mighty Mississip to be controlled by another country.

That's true.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   12:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: mininggold (#55)

The Israeli Jews are the smartest people on earth, and the most productive. Now they need to be 100% self-reliant.

A good place to start would be to refuse the $3 billion or so in welfare payments we give them every year.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   12:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Skip Intro (#58)

A good place to start would be to refuse the $3 billion or so in welfare payments we give them every year.

They supposedly wondered in circles in the wilderness for forty years taking manna from God and bitching about it. Nothing has changed.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   13:18:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: war (#3)

Hey! Dem darkies liked bein slaves!

Bartcoprules  posted on  2010-04-10   14:07:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Bartcoprules (#60)

Hey! Dem darkies liked bein slaves!

Too bad that couldn't have been determined before a large percentage of two generations of mostly male citizens were slaughtered opposing it or affirming it.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   14:33:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Badeye (#1)

oh my...I'm so glad I'm not associated with stormfront lite.

So Lincoln went to war to free the slaves?????

Is that what you're here to tell us?

Now I believe Goldi is a loon, but why don't you share with us your take on the civil war?

Goldi-Lox, War, Fred Mertz: Go back to liberty post where you belong.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-04-10   14:35:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Skip Intro (#49)

The South wanted to sell their crops to Foreign Nations and use their own ports.

Irrelevant, the war wasn't about slavery.

Goldi-Lox, War, Fred Mertz: Go back to liberty post where you belong.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-04-10   14:36:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#63)

Irrelevant, the war wasn't about slavery.

Sure it was ....only it wasn't just about slavery.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   14:38:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: mininggold (#64)

What in the hell happened to this guy?

#14. To: Goldi-Lox (#13)

Good post. The war was more about money and federal power than it was about slavery. Slavery was the flashpoint and is used to justify it. The South and North were also pretty antagonistic toward each other in general, much like the divide between Red States and Blue States now.

TooConservative posted on 2010-04-09 19:42:56 ET Reply Trace

How hard is to understand that if there were no slavery there would have been no war?

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-10   21:13:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: mininggold (#64)

Sure it was ....only it wasn't just about slavery.

I'm sorry, you're saying Lincoln started the war to free the slaves?

Goldi-Lox, War, Fred Mertz: Go back to liberty post where you belong.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-04-10   21:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: war (#28)

You're out of your mind if you believe it was a cushy life.

Where did I ever make that claim?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   21:56:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: mininggold (#31)

Ahhhh,so I guess this means we should accept the words of wisdom from Goober Gore and Joe Biden as reality

If they were part and parcel of the formation of the original US government...

The VP of the Confederacy was a Founding Father?

Who knew?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   21:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: go65 (#33)

The Civil War started when Confederate soldiers on Morris Island, SC fired a salvo toward Fort Sumter, alerting other Confederate units that it was time to shell the fort.

No,the War of Northern Aggression started when the yankees refused to get the hell out and had to be forced out.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   21:59:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Skip Intro (#36)

Nice spin. Ever heard of a gun named Abraham Lincoln?

So I provide you with the words of the VP of the CSA saying flat-out that secession was due to slavery, and you blow it off.

Of course. Who was he compared to the president that was the one that started the war?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   22:00:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: mininggold (#41)

And the comparison he used really shoots his credibility too. I'm surprised.

It's not like your source wasn't instrumental in the forming of the CSA.

Abraham Lincoln was the one who was most responsible for forming the CSA.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   22:02:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Bartcoprules (#60)

Hey! Dem darkies liked bein slaves!

They must,since most of them are still slaves today.

They are OWNED by the Dim Party,and live on the Dim Plantation.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   22:06:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: no gnu taxes (#44)

Socialism will work under a system of non-freeloading, like minded moral people.

Have you ever lived in such a system as I have described?

I am married to a Russian lady, and we have a second home in Volgograd, Russia, and so I am more than a little familiar with socialism.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-10   22:06:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: sneakypete (#70)

Of course. Who was he compared to the president that was the one that started the war?

He's the one explaining why the South succeeded, triggering the war.

Personally, I wish Lincoln had let the South go. Of course,if he had then we'd have another turd world country along our souther border to deal with.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   22:07:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: sneakypete (#71)

Abraham Lincoln was the one who was most responsible for forming the CSA.

The CSA was formed before Lincoln took office.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   22:08:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: sneakypete (#67)

"Slavery was a wet dream come true for the left,and Obama is trying to bring it back to thundering applause from them."

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-10   23:15:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: war (#65)

How hard is to understand that if there were no slavery there would have been no war?

I turn on CNN maybe once a year. I did happen to see Roland Martin debate this issue with Brag Bowling on Anderson Cooper. Roland is a professing Christian, but all I could feel for the man was pity. The only thing I saw reflected in him was a seeking after power, which left him filled with hate, and not the love of Christ.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-11   0:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: no gnu taxes (#35)

Give me a comparison of what the so called Palestinian people get from the the rest of the world versus what Israel gets.

I mean, when you use your resources to equip your toddlers with suicide bombs, what kind of lifestyle can you hope to have?

I wonder why, o why, doesn't the oil rich Islamic world help the poor Palestinians? Maybe they want to keep them as victims.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-11   0:21:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: sneakypete (#68)

The VP of the Confederacy was a Founding Father?

Of the CSA, of which Biden and Gore were not of the ....U S of A. It's not hard to understand.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-11   1:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#66)

I'm sorry, you're saying Lincoln started the war to free the slaves?

Your duplicity is getting rather tedious, just where did I say that? Are you Paul CJ? As you post just like him.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-11   1:21:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: GarySpFC (#78)

I wonder why, o why, doesn't the oil rich Islamic world help the poor Palestinians? Maybe they want to keep them as victims.

Why should they have to help them? Isn't that more of that socialism that you hate but evidently advocate for others to follow when it's convenient?

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-11   1:37:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: GarySpFC (#77)

Funny...I usually see that in people who CLAIM to be filled with Christ...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-11   7:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: mininggold (#81)

C'mon man...you looking for consistency?

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-11   7:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Skip Intro (#74)

Personally, I wish Lincoln had let the South go. Of course,if he had then we'd have another turd world country along our souther border to deal with.

Proving once again that all you lefties are delusional.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-11   10:17:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Skip Intro (#74)

Personally, I wish Lincoln had let the South go.

I'm getting to the point of sharing your opinion.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-04-11   10:59:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: mininggold (#81)

Why should they have to help them? Isn't that more of that socialism that you hate but evidently advocate for others to follow when it's convenient?

There is a major difference between the state and individuals helping people. Helping individuals with other people's money is just a form of selfishness.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-11   11:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: GarySpFC (#86) (Edited)

There is a major difference between the state and individuals helping people. Helping individuals with other people's money is just a form of selfishness.

I'm all in favor of individuals giving to charity, but suggesting that others should do it is another form of socialism. Maybe you should get your church to organize an "adopt a Palestinian family" program. That might be one way that they can repay their never ending debt to Israel, by helping to keep it safe.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-11   11:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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