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Elon Musk Delivers Stunning Remarks At Historic UK March (Tommy Robinson) "Transcript: Mrs. Erika Kirk Delivers Public Address: ‘His Movement Will Go On’" "Victor Davis Hanson to Newsmax: Kirk Slaying Crosses Rubicon" Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: Goldi-Lox Explains the Civil War Source: [None] URL Source: http://69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=287235&Disp=13#C13 Published: Apr 9, 2010 Author: Goldi-Lox Post Date: 2010-04-09 19:08:35 by Skip Intro Keywords: None Views: 18983 Comments: 145 THAT is bullshit. The civil war was all about MONEY. The South wanted to sell their crops to Foreign Nations and use their own ports. FEDGOV said NO. You have to ship them up North, and let our middlemen sell them to nations WE choose at prices we select. The South was getting HOSED. One of the reasons they had slaves was due to the North imposing these rules on them. They couldn't afford to pay wages. Now, some of them were very greedy, no doubt...and that is evidenced in the grand homes they built. However, many southern farmers were barely breaking even and were sick and tired of it. They wanted to use the ports in SC and GA to ship their products and wanted to sell to France and others at better prices than they were getting. FEDGOV imposed rules on them....so they seceded in order to run their own farms. However, once fighting broke out, and a civil war was in place Lincoln decided to break the backs of the South, by freeing the slaves who he hoped would fight them in their own towns and plantations. That didn't happen. Lincoln used Slavery as an excuse for a lot of the actions he engaged in. He was as bad as Obastard...he imprisoned the entire Maryland Assembly (Govt) including the Governor, so they could not vote to seceed. He kept them imprisoned in Fort McHenry for MONTHS. He committed a lot of atrocities. He is no hero. He was a jerk - and an abuser of our Constitution. In fact, read the words of the state song "Maryland my Maryland" - where it says "The tyrants food is on our shores/neck"...that tyrant was Lincoln. Most blacks who were slaves were well treated, and did not want to leave their homes...and most didn't. Those who were mistreated did, and flooded the cities in the north...from which they have never recovered. But few slaves - or freedmen - were engaged in the fighting. Booth was a hero to the South. And still is today. Goldi-Lox posted on 2010-04-09 18:57:04 ET Reply Trace Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 4. #1. To: Skip Intro (#0) oh my...I'm so glad I'm not associated with stormfront lite. Somebody should tell this silly woman it was about State Rights. The primary Right the South asserted was to allow Slavery. Hence its being codified within the CSA's Constitution, cleary...consisely..and beyond any doubt of even a total idiot. Which is why the CSA never could obtain an intervention from any civilized nation, and lost the war. More to it, obviously...but given Sally's small mind, figure I'd keep it simple. What a fuckin nutcase. Badeye  posted on  2010-04-09   19:22:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Badeye (#1) Somebody should tell this silly woman it was about State Rights. Somebody needs to tell YOU that State's Rights include the right to export goods without having to go through a central government. Goldi is pretty much correct with everything she wrote. sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-09   19:32:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 4. #6. To: sneakypete (#4) Somebody needs to tell YOU that State's Rights include the right to export goods without having to go through a central government. That could be but not in the US. The executive branch is charged with all aapects of foreign relations which includes commerce. States are expressly forbidden in Article I Section 10 from entering into any treaty with a foreign nation. war  posted on  2010-04-09 19:38:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: sneakypete (#4) Goldi is pretty much correct with everything she wrote. You've got to be kidding. Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-09 19:41:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: sneakypete, badeye (#4) Somebody needs to tell YOU that State's Rights include the right to export goods without having to go through a central government. I hate agreeing with Badeye as much as the next guy, but when he's right, he's right: --- Confederate President Jefferson Davis, April 29, 1861: [T]he productions in the South of cotton, rice, sugar, and tobacco, for the full development and continuance of which the labor of African slaves was and is indispensable, had swollen to an amount which formed nearly three-fourths of the exports of the whole United States and had become absolutely necessary to the wants of civilized man. With interests of such overwhelming magnitude imperiled, the people of the Southern states were driven by the conduct of the North to the adoption of some course of action to avert the danger with which they were openly menaced. ----------- Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens. March 26, 1861 The prevailing ideas entertained by … most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. … Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of the races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a government built upon it — "When the storm came and the wind blew, it fell." Our new government is built upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition. This, our new Government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. go65  posted on  2010-04-09 22:34:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: sneakypete (#4) Ah...no. You have nothing to export from the Antebellum South without SLAVES. Thats simply fact. Without the RIGHT to OWN SLAVES, everything Sally writes is IRRELEVANT. What you are citing is the infamous 'Lost Cause Theory' thats so ridiculously discredited by historians from both the North and the South its amusing anyone clings to it in the year 2010. You're actually bird talking Jubal Early's defense of The South from the 1868 - 1880's. Early concocted this ridiculous revisionist history in an attempt to paint the South in 'glory' but also to discredit that evil Republican, former General James 'Pete" Longstreet, who despised each other til the day they died. I'm not making any of this up, you can read it in dozens of legitimate historical texts, or the letters and books from the particpants themselves. Badeye  posted on  2010-04-10 01:30:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: sneakypete, Badeye, War (#4) (Edited) Somebody needs to tell YOU that State's Rights include the right to export goods without having to go through a central government. Goldi is pretty much correct with everything she wrote. Okay, it's late, but maybe I can contribute something of value to this thread. I believe there is "some" truth on each side, but it is not nearly one-sided as some would have us believe. Let me state for the record, slavery is a great evil. Now to my comments. My family owned 3 plantations in the York, S.C. area, and a couple were fair sized. However, the were certainly not the size of Tara, and it's important to note plantation simply means farm. None of the families owned slaves at any time, which was typical for the large majority of Southern farmers. The idea drummed into our heads by the black radicals that all southerners owned slaves is a bald faced lie. Furthermore, my family considered slavery wrong. I remember hearing my grandfather and uncle talking that way prior to the push for civil rights, and this talk was by Southerners. My family did fight on the side of the South for States Rights, and I lost my great-great grandfather at Sharpsburg. Two of the plantations were lost because of carpet-baggers. Typical of the lies told by the Black racists to foster hate is the demonization of General Nathan Bedford Forrest. I brought his war record to the attention of a film producer, and he was very interested in doing a historical novel about Forrest, but that was before he ran into the PC crowd. Lee considered Forrest to be the best general in the war. True, he was a slave dealer prior to the war, and for that he was dead wrong. However, he was known to be kind, fair, and defended his slaves from harm. After the war was over he was asked by Generals Lee and Gordon to head an organization to help restore the peace, which had broken down. Forrest accepted leadership of the KKK, with strong stipulations. Only former officers could be members, and if it got out of control, then he could dissolve it. It did get out of control, and Forrest disbanded the organization in less than two years after it was formed. Others later re-formed the organization, and many of its actions were evil. The black radicals need a white demon for their hate, and they coverup the truth about Forrest, and his record of helping the blacks after the war. Indeed, he was invited to speak before the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association, forerunner of the NAACP. Forrest : Memphis' first White Civil Rights Advocate Lt. General Nathan Bedford Forrest (1821-1877) was a renowned Southern military leader and strategist during the War Between the States. During the Civil War, Forrest's Confederate cavalry wrecked havoc among Union forces throughout the mid-South. He gained worldwide fame from his many battlefield successes, but the wartime heroics have overshadowed his post-war work as a community leader and civil rights advocate. He fought fiercely on the battlefield, yet was a compassionate man off the field. After the war, Forrest worked tirelessly to build the New South and to promote employment for black Southerners. Forrest was known near and far as a great general, and was a well-respected citizen by both blacks and whites alike. The Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association (predecessor to the NAACP) was organized by Southern blacks after the war to promote black voting rights, etc. One of their early conventions was held in Memphis and Mr. Forrest was invited to be the guest speaker, the first white man ever to be invited to speak to the Association. After the Civil War, General Forrest made a speech to the Memphis City Council (then called the Board of Aldermen). In this speech he said that there was no reason that the black man could not be doctors, store clerks, bankers, or any other job equal to whites. They were part of our community and should be involved and employed as such just like anyone else. In another speech to Federal authorities, Forrest said that many of the ex-slaves were skilled artisans and needed to be employed and that those skills needed to be taught to the younger workers. If not, then the next generation of blacks would have no skills and could not succeed and would become dependent on the welfare of society. Forrest's words went unheeded. The Memphis & Selma Railroad was organized by Forrest after the war to help rebuild the South's transportation and to build the 'new South'. Forrest took it upon himself to hire blacks as architects, construction engineers and foremen, train engineers and conductors, and other high level jobs. In the North, blacks were prohibited from holding such jobs. When the Civil War began, Forrest offered freedom to 44 of his slaves if they would serve with him in the Confederate army. All 44 agreed. One later deserted; the other 43 served faithfully until the end of the war. Though they had many chances to leave, they chose to remain loyal to the South and to Forrest. Part of General Forrest's command included his own Escort Company, his Green Berets, made up of the very best soldiers available. This unit, which varied in size from 40-90 men, was the elite of the cavalry. Eight of these picked men were black soldiers and all served gallantly and bravely throughout the war. All were armed with at least 2 pistols and a rifle. Most also carried two additional pistols in saddle holsters. At war's end, when Forrest's cavalry surrendered in May 1865, there were 65 black troopers on the muster roll. Of the soldiers who served under him, Forrest said of the black troops: Finer Confederates never fought. Forrest was a brilliant cavalryman and courageous soldier. As author Jack Hurst writes: a man possessed of physical valor perhaps unprecedented among his countrymen, as well as, ironically, a man whose social attitudes may well have changed farther in the direction of racial enlightenment over the span of his lifetime than those of most American historical figures. When Forrest died in 1877 it is noteworthy that his funeral in Memphis was attended not only by a throng of thousands of whites but by hundreds of blacks as well. The funeral procession was over two miles long and was attended by over 10,000 area residents, including 3000 black citizens paying their respects. Forrest's speech to the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association July 5, 1875. A convention and BBQ was held by the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association at the fairgrounds of Memphis, five miles east of the city. An invitation to speak was conveyed to General Nathan Bedford Forrest, one of the city's most prominent citizens, and one of the foremost cavalry commanders in the late War Between the States. This was the first invitation granted to a white man to speak at this gathering. The invitation's purpose, one of the leaders said, was to extend peace, joy, and union, and following a brief welcoming address a Miss Lou Lewis, daughter of an officer of the Pole-Bearers, brought forward flowers and assurances that she conveyed them as a token of good will. After Miss Lewis handed him the flowers, General Forrest responded with a short speech that, in the contemporary pages of the Memphis Appeal, evinces Forrest's racial open-mindedness that seemed to have been growing in him. "Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand." (Prolonged applause.) Whereupon N. B. Forrest again thanked Miss Lewis for the bouquet and then gave her a kiss on the cheek. Such a kiss was unheard of in the society of those days, in 1875, but it showed a token of respect and friendship between the general and the black community and did much to promote harmony among the citizens of Memphis. GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-10 02:38:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 4. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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