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Title: Goldi-Lox Explains the Civil War
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URL Source: http://69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=287235&Disp=13#C13
Published: Apr 9, 2010
Author: Goldi-Lox
Post Date: 2010-04-09 19:08:35 by Skip Intro
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Views: 18349
Comments: 145

THAT is bullshit.

The civil war was all about MONEY.

The South wanted to sell their crops to Foreign Nations and use their own ports.

FEDGOV said NO. You have to ship them up North, and let our middlemen sell them to nations WE choose at prices we select.

The South was getting HOSED. One of the reasons they had slaves was due to the North imposing these rules on them. They couldn't afford to pay wages.

Now, some of them were very greedy, no doubt...and that is evidenced in the grand homes they built.

However, many southern farmers were barely breaking even and were sick and tired of it. They wanted to use the ports in SC and GA to ship their products and wanted to sell to France and others at better prices than they were getting.

FEDGOV imposed rules on them....so they seceded in order to run their own farms.

However, once fighting broke out, and a civil war was in place Lincoln decided to break the backs of the South, by freeing the slaves who he hoped would fight them in their own towns and plantations. That didn't happen.

Lincoln used Slavery as an excuse for a lot of the actions he engaged in. He was as bad as Obastard...he imprisoned the entire Maryland Assembly (Govt) including the Governor, so they could not vote to seceed. He kept them imprisoned in Fort McHenry for MONTHS. He committed a lot of atrocities. He is no hero. He was a jerk - and an abuser of our Constitution. In fact, read the words of the state song "Maryland my Maryland" - where it says "The tyrants food is on our shores/neck"...that tyrant was Lincoln.

Most blacks who were slaves were well treated, and did not want to leave their homes...and most didn't. Those who were mistreated did, and flooded the cities in the north...from which they have never recovered.

But few slaves - or freedmen - were engaged in the fighting.

Booth was a hero to the South. And still is today.

Goldi-Lox posted on 2010-04-09 18:57:04 ET Reply Trace

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#19. To: Skip Intro (#7)

Goldi is pretty much correct with everything she wrote.

You've got to be kidding.

I'm not. If anything I am stunned that people are still so ignorant as to believe it was over slavery.

Then again,I shouldn't be shocked at this late date over seeing lefties believe everything their mommy and daddy state has taught them. The government is your Gawd,and you only fail to trust them when non-commies are in charge.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   8:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: war (#8)

You think it was about slavery,huh?

So did these guys:

Nice spin. Ever heard of a gun named Abraham Lincoln? He's the guy that started the war,and he said he slavery had nothing to do with it.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   8:43:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: war (#10)

A houses divided against itself cannot stand...eventually it will be all of the one thing or all of the other...

You are right about that. Communism won.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   8:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: war (#11)

..he and I have this conversation once or twice a year but he's old so he fergits what I learned him..

Yeah,that must be what it is.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   8:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: go65 (#12)

Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens. March 26, 1861

Ahhhh,so I guess this means we should accept the words of wisdom from Goober Gore and Joe Biden as reality?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   8:49:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: mininggold (#14)

but at some point the Jews are going to have use what ever influence they have to support conservatives.

NOT going to happen. Not now,not ever. Israel is a socialist nation.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   8:50:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: sneakypete (#18)

Ahhhh,the Commerce Clause that you lefties so dearly love!

Nope. Re-read what I wrote. This is an Article II issue.

Exporting to a foreign nation that the US has trade agreements with out of a seaport located in your own state is not a violation of the Commerce Clause.

States don't and never have had supreme authority of regulation of ports of egress.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-10   8:58:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#20)

He's the guy that started the war,and he said he slavery had nothing to do with it.

No secession no war.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-10   8:59:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Badeye (#16)

Ah...no.

You have nothing to export from the Antebellum South without SLAVES. Thats simply fact. Without the RIGHT to OWN SLAVES, everything Sally writes is IRRELEVANT.

Not true. We (the original colonies)started out exporting goods to Europe before slavery existed here. We used indentured servants,both black and white.

In fact,it was a former indentured servant that created slavery as a legal institution by going to court and having his indentured servant declared to be his property. This man was black and the indentured servant he enslaved were both black.

Slavery was just more profitable at that time. A condition which would have changed as machinery became available to do the work more efficiently and cheaply.

After all,the slaves all had "free health care,free housing,free food,and free clothing".

Hell,they even had a retirement plan that allowed them to sit around and still be fed and housed once they got too old to work. Slavery was a wet dream come true for the left,and Obama is trying to bring it back to thundering applause from them. The only difference is he wants the whites to be the slaves.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   9:00:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: sneakypete (#27) (Edited)

You're out of your mind if you believe it was a cushy life. The fact that movement was restricted should be enough to convince you otherwise.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-10   10:42:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: war (#28)

it was a cushy life.

Slavery...what a hoot...and the underground railroad was a happy-go-lucky field trip.

Suzanne  posted on  2010-04-10   11:12:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: sneakypete, White Sands (#24)

NOT going to happen. Not now,not ever. Israel is a socialist nation.

I agree but White Sands who made that statement evidently hasn't caught on yet. He wants the Mossad to enforce a type of group think.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   11:17:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: sneakypete (#23)

Ahhhh,so I guess this means we should accept the words of wisdom from Goober Gore and Joe Biden as reality

If they were part and parcel of the formation of the original US government... you betcha. Just what other authorities would you cite?

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   11:24:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: sneakypete (#24)

Israel is a socialist nation.

Socialism will work under a system of non-freeloading, like minded moral people.

The problem is keeping the riff-raff out.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-10   11:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete, war (#20)

Nice spin. Ever heard of a gun named Abraham Lincoln? He's the guy that started the war,and he said he slavery had nothing to do with it.

The Civil War started when Confederate soldiers on Morris Island, SC fired a salvo toward Fort Sumter, alerting other Confederate units that it was time to shell the fort.

Unless Lincoln somehow commanded Confederate forces, he didn't start the war.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-04-10   11:28:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: no gnu taxes (#32)

Socialism will work under a system of non-freeloading, like minded moral people.

The problem is keeping the riff-raff out.

LOLOLOL So when does the free loading off the rest of the world stop there?

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   11:38:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mininggold (#34)

Give me a comparison of what the so called Palestinian people get from the the rest of the world versus what Israel gets.

I mean, when you use your resources to equip your toddlers with suicide bombs, what kind of lifestyle can you hope to have?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-10   11:46:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: sneakypete (#20)

Nice spin. Ever heard of a gun named Abraham Lincoln?

So I provide you with the words of the VP of the CSA saying flat-out that secession was due to slavery, and you blow it off.

The war was over secession, and secession was over slavery. I don't know how much clearer it can be.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   11:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: no gnu taxes (#35)

Give me a comparison of what the so called Palestinian people get from the the rest of the world versus what Israel gets.

I mean, when you use your resources to equip your toddlers with suicide bombs, what kind of lifestyle can you hope to have?

As long as Israel does not abide by the contract it made in exchange for the land and the restrictions on it's use it has no standing, period. All troubles either internal or external are the price paid for being a country. Every country has them.

You Israel Firsters are such utopians.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   11:55:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: mininggold (#37)

As long as Israel does not abide by the contract it made in exchange for the land and the restrictions on it's use it has no standing,

WTF are you talking about/

For all the money spent attacking Israel's stance on defending one tiny little sliver of land in in the ME, every single "Palestinian" person could be transfered to some other Muzzie country and live like kings.

Do you support the goal of destroying Isreal?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-10   12:00:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: no gnu taxes (#38)

For all the money spent attacking Israel's stance on defending one tiny little sliver

How much money are you talking about, Eric?

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   12:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: no gnu taxes (#32)

Socialism will work under a system of non-freeloading, like minded moral people.

Are you referring to Heaven, because it doesn't work in any of the countries I have been in.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-10   12:11:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Skip Intro, sneakeypete (#36)

So I provide you with the words of the VP of the CSA saying flat-out that secession was due to slavery, and you blow it off.

And the comparison he used really shoots his credibility too. I'm surprised.

It's not like your source wasn't instrumental in the forming of the CSA. I guess only second party sources or less should count as "authorities". lol

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:11:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: mininggold (#37)

You Israel Firsters are such utopians.

No, were Christians, not those cursed by God.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-10   12:13:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: no gnu taxes (#38)

Do you support the goal of destroying Isreal?

Do you support the EQUALLY stated goal of including most of the middle east including parts of Syria and Iran, as the new Jewish Homeland?

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:14:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: GarySpFC (#40)

Socialism will work under a system of non-freeloading, like minded moral people.

Have you ever lived in such a system as I have described?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-10   12:16:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: no gnu taxes (#44)

Have you ever lived in such a system as I have described?

What you are describing is just one big tribe.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:18:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: mininggold (#43)

Answering a question with a question. Typical ploy of libtards and Paultards. Answer my question and I will answer yours'.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-10   12:18:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: no gnu taxes (#46)

Answering a question with a question. Typical ploy of libtards and Paultards. Answer my question and I will answer yours'.

I didn't fall for your bait so you are pissed. Poor baby.

I don't care if you answer or not, as you already have stated that certain countries get an automatic pass for whatever they want to do.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:21:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: sneakypete (#20) (Edited)

Nice spin. Ever heard of a gun named Abraham Lincoln? He's the guy that started the war,and he said he slavery had nothing to do with it.

I suppose history being written by the victors, it's no wonder many are confused today.

Years ago I ran across a website (I'll try and find them again), of the decendents of black slaves that discovered the truth about the War of Aggression, and made it their goal to get the truth out, once and for all, that the war was not fought over slavery, as they had been spoon fed all their lives. They found that their ancestors did fight in that war, but they fought for the South.

Lincoln had given Maine the option of keeping their slaves, if they didn't secede, he didn't give a damn about the slaves, he wanted control over the states...Lincoln actually did what our government today is threatening, they're going to turn their federal thugs loose on the citizens they have declared 'terrorist'...anyone who dares question their agenda, it's a Federal takeover, but it won't be called that, the people themselves will be the combatants, the enemy!

Murron  posted on  2010-04-10   12:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: mininggold (#41)

I'm still trying to find Goldi's source for this:

The South wanted to sell their crops to Foreign Nations and use their own ports.

FEDGOV said NO. You have to ship them up North, and let our middlemen sell them to nations WE choose at prices we select.

The South was getting HOSED. One of the reasons they had slaves was due to the North imposing these rules on them. They couldn't afford to pay wages.

Maybe it's hidden in Israel and only Marguerite knows where.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   12:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Murron (#48)

if they didn't secede, he didn't give a damn about the slaves

That's right, he cared about preserving the Union.

Why can't you gomers figure that out?

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   12:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: mininggold (#47)

Answer my question and I will answer yours'

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-10   12:27:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: GarySpFC (#42)

No, were Christians, not those cursed by God.

I don't quite know what you are saying but Jesus made it real clear what he thought of the Pharisees and I don't see it mentioned that Christians should donate blood and treasure so they could have a homeland.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Skip Intro (#50)

That's right, he cared about preserving the Union.

Why can't you gomers figure that out?

As evidenced by the mandating of non secession clauses in their new revised state constitutions. Texas which was even it's own republic just a few years prior to the CW cannot now secede legally.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: mininggold (#53)

Secession began before Lincoln took office, although his election was definitely a catalyst for it. The previous president, Buchanan didn't want to deal with it.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   12:42:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Skip Intro (#0)

Israel can expect a new immigrant in the near future. Who wouldn't want to live in the country with the bestest, brightest people? Other than that, what she says makes some sense though so probably she needs a little more reeducation before making the big move.

Oh I initially didn't read the part about it only needing to toe the line for 2.5 years when evidently it will get unfettered access to our treasury after the GOP takes back the presidency.

#30. To: Marguerite (#29)

In the face of the Obastard, Israel should be a nation unto itself.

Have NO relationships with any nation that requires them to run their nation other than how they choose to run it.

That would be parity with every other nation.

They need to ramp up quickly to manufacture the missiles they had previously planned to buy from the USA. Obastard has frozen those sales. Likely permanently.

Israel CAN make them themselves...and should do so immediately.

The Israeli Jews are the smartest people on earth, and the most productive. Now they need to be 100% self-reliant.

...At least for the next 2.5 years until we can flush this piece of s**t from our White House

Goldi-Lox posted on 2010-04-10 12:32:12 ET Reply Trace

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:51:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Skip Intro (#54)

Secession began before Lincoln took office, although his election was definitely a catalyst for it. The previous president, Buchanan didn't want to deal with it.

I also think part of it was not wanting the ocean confluence of the mighty Mississip to be controlled by another country.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:57:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: mininggold (#56)

I also think part of it was not wanting the ocean confluence of the mighty Mississip to be controlled by another country.

That's true.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   12:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: mininggold (#55)

The Israeli Jews are the smartest people on earth, and the most productive. Now they need to be 100% self-reliant.

A good place to start would be to refuse the $3 billion or so in welfare payments we give them every year.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   12:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Skip Intro (#58)

A good place to start would be to refuse the $3 billion or so in welfare payments we give them every year.

They supposedly wondered in circles in the wilderness for forty years taking manna from God and bitching about it. Nothing has changed.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   13:18:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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