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What Happens Inside Gaza’s Secret Tunnels? | Unpacked Hamas Torture Bodycam Footage: "These Monsters Filmed it All" | IDF Warfighter Doron Keidar, Ep. 225 Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: Goldi-Lox Explains the Civil War Source: [None] URL Source: http://69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=287235&Disp=13#C13 Published: Apr 9, 2010 Author: Goldi-Lox Post Date: 2010-04-09 19:08:35 by Skip Intro Keywords: None Views: 18344 Comments: 145 THAT is bullshit. The civil war was all about MONEY. The South wanted to sell their crops to Foreign Nations and use their own ports. FEDGOV said NO. You have to ship them up North, and let our middlemen sell them to nations WE choose at prices we select. The South was getting HOSED. One of the reasons they had slaves was due to the North imposing these rules on them. They couldn't afford to pay wages. Now, some of them were very greedy, no doubt...and that is evidenced in the grand homes they built. However, many southern farmers were barely breaking even and were sick and tired of it. They wanted to use the ports in SC and GA to ship their products and wanted to sell to France and others at better prices than they were getting. FEDGOV imposed rules on them....so they seceded in order to run their own farms. However, once fighting broke out, and a civil war was in place Lincoln decided to break the backs of the South, by freeing the slaves who he hoped would fight them in their own towns and plantations. That didn't happen. Lincoln used Slavery as an excuse for a lot of the actions he engaged in. He was as bad as Obastard...he imprisoned the entire Maryland Assembly (Govt) including the Governor, so they could not vote to seceed. He kept them imprisoned in Fort McHenry for MONTHS. He committed a lot of atrocities. He is no hero. He was a jerk - and an abuser of our Constitution. In fact, read the words of the state song "Maryland my Maryland" - where it says "The tyrants food is on our shores/neck"...that tyrant was Lincoln. Most blacks who were slaves were well treated, and did not want to leave their homes...and most didn't. Those who were mistreated did, and flooded the cities in the north...from which they have never recovered. But few slaves - or freedmen - were engaged in the fighting. Booth was a hero to the South. And still is today. Goldi-Lox posted on 2010-04-09 18:57:04 ET Reply Trace Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-12) not displayed.       .       .       . #13. To: go65 (#12) This one is a keeper: #15. To: JoeSnuffy (#12) Israel will never do something just because the UOTUS wants it, but only what is in Israel's interest. Contrary to the general idea circulating here and there, Israel is NOT the US vassal. Marguerite posted on 2010-04-09 21:53:10 ET Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-04-09   23:39:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: Fred Mertz (#13) Here's a goody from our friend. #6. To: Goldi-Lox (#5) He should send a few Mossad agents over here to poke the bogus potus in the chest - but I don't think they'd use a finger. You know that I have no beef with Israel and will chose it over the Muzzies any day but at some point the Jews are going to have use what ever influence they have to support conservatives. Even with their small numbers its just symbolic. The put themselves in the situation they are in. Mossad out to target the liberal Jewish community and "persuade" them to support conservatives. WhiteSands posted on 2010-04-10 0:02:39 ET Reply Trace LOL These people never learn from history. It's the war, stupid. mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   0:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: go65 (#12) (chuckle) my anti groupie can't get through life without me. Badeye  posted on  2010-04-10   1:13:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: sneakypete (#4) Ah...no. You have nothing to export from the Antebellum South without SLAVES. Thats simply fact. Without the RIGHT to OWN SLAVES, everything Sally writes is IRRELEVANT. What you are citing is the infamous 'Lost Cause Theory' thats so ridiculously discredited by historians from both the North and the South its amusing anyone clings to it in the year 2010. You're actually bird talking Jubal Early's defense of The South from the 1868 - 1880's. Early concocted this ridiculous revisionist history in an attempt to paint the South in 'glory' but also to discredit that evil Republican, former General James 'Pete" Longstreet, who despised each other til the day they died. I'm not making any of this up, you can read it in dozens of legitimate historical texts, or the letters and books from the particpants themselves. my anti groupie can't get through life without me. Badeye  posted on  2010-04-10   1:30:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: sneakypete, Badeye, War (#4) (Edited) Somebody needs to tell YOU that State's Rights include the right to export goods without having to go through a central government. Goldi is pretty much correct with everything she wrote. Okay, it's late, but maybe I can contribute something of value to this thread. I believe there is "some" truth on each side, but it is not nearly one-sided as some would have us believe. Let me state for the record, slavery is a great evil. Now to my comments. My family owned 3 plantations in the York, S.C. area, and a couple were fair sized. However, the were certainly not the size of Tara, and it's important to note plantation simply means farm. None of the families owned slaves at any time, which was typical for the large majority of Southern farmers. The idea drummed into our heads by the black radicals that all southerners owned slaves is a bald faced lie. Furthermore, my family considered slavery wrong. I remember hearing my grandfather and uncle talking that way prior to the push for civil rights, and this talk was by Southerners. My family did fight on the side of the South for States Rights, and I lost my great-great grandfather at Sharpsburg. Two of the plantations were lost because of carpet-baggers. Typical of the lies told by the Black racists to foster hate is the demonization of General Nathan Bedford Forrest. I brought his war record to the attention of a film producer, and he was very interested in doing a historical novel about Forrest, but that was before he ran into the PC crowd. Lee considered Forrest to be the best general in the war. True, he was a slave dealer prior to the war, and for that he was dead wrong. However, he was known to be kind, fair, and defended his slaves from harm. After the war was over he was asked by Generals Lee and Gordon to head an organization to help restore the peace, which had broken down. Forrest accepted leadership of the KKK, with strong stipulations. Only former officers could be members, and if it got out of control, then he could dissolve it. It did get out of control, and Forrest disbanded the organization in less than two years after it was formed. Others later re-formed the organization, and many of its actions were evil. The black radicals need a white demon for their hate, and they coverup the truth about Forrest, and his record of helping the blacks after the war. Indeed, he was invited to speak before the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association, forerunner of the NAACP. Forrest : Memphis' first White Civil Rights Advocate Lt. General Nathan Bedford Forrest (1821-1877) was a renowned Southern military leader and strategist during the War Between the States. During the Civil War, Forrest's Confederate cavalry wrecked havoc among Union forces throughout the mid-South. He gained worldwide fame from his many battlefield successes, but the wartime heroics have overshadowed his post-war work as a community leader and civil rights advocate. He fought fiercely on the battlefield, yet was a compassionate man off the field. After the war, Forrest worked tirelessly to build the New South and to promote employment for black Southerners. Forrest was known near and far as a great general, and was a well-respected citizen by both blacks and whites alike. The Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association (predecessor to the NAACP) was organized by Southern blacks after the war to promote black voting rights, etc. One of their early conventions was held in Memphis and Mr. Forrest was invited to be the guest speaker, the first white man ever to be invited to speak to the Association. After the Civil War, General Forrest made a speech to the Memphis City Council (then called the Board of Aldermen). In this speech he said that there was no reason that the black man could not be doctors, store clerks, bankers, or any other job equal to whites. They were part of our community and should be involved and employed as such just like anyone else. In another speech to Federal authorities, Forrest said that many of the ex-slaves were skilled artisans and needed to be employed and that those skills needed to be taught to the younger workers. If not, then the next generation of blacks would have no skills and could not succeed and would become dependent on the welfare of society. Forrest's words went unheeded. The Memphis & Selma Railroad was organized by Forrest after the war to help rebuild the South's transportation and to build the 'new South'. Forrest took it upon himself to hire blacks as architects, construction engineers and foremen, train engineers and conductors, and other high level jobs. In the North, blacks were prohibited from holding such jobs. When the Civil War began, Forrest offered freedom to 44 of his slaves if they would serve with him in the Confederate army. All 44 agreed. One later deserted; the other 43 served faithfully until the end of the war. Though they had many chances to leave, they chose to remain loyal to the South and to Forrest. Part of General Forrest's command included his own Escort Company, his Green Berets, made up of the very best soldiers available. This unit, which varied in size from 40-90 men, was the elite of the cavalry. Eight of these picked men were black soldiers and all served gallantly and bravely throughout the war. All were armed with at least 2 pistols and a rifle. Most also carried two additional pistols in saddle holsters. At war's end, when Forrest's cavalry surrendered in May 1865, there were 65 black troopers on the muster roll. Of the soldiers who served under him, Forrest said of the black troops: Finer Confederates never fought. Forrest was a brilliant cavalryman and courageous soldier. As author Jack Hurst writes: a man possessed of physical valor perhaps unprecedented among his countrymen, as well as, ironically, a man whose social attitudes may well have changed farther in the direction of racial enlightenment over the span of his lifetime than those of most American historical figures. When Forrest died in 1877 it is noteworthy that his funeral in Memphis was attended not only by a throng of thousands of whites but by hundreds of blacks as well. The funeral procession was over two miles long and was attended by over 10,000 area residents, including 3000 black citizens paying their respects. Forrest's speech to the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association July 5, 1875. A convention and BBQ was held by the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association at the fairgrounds of Memphis, five miles east of the city. An invitation to speak was conveyed to General Nathan Bedford Forrest, one of the city's most prominent citizens, and one of the foremost cavalry commanders in the late War Between the States. This was the first invitation granted to a white man to speak at this gathering. The invitation's purpose, one of the leaders said, was to extend peace, joy, and union, and following a brief welcoming address a Miss Lou Lewis, daughter of an officer of the Pole-Bearers, brought forward flowers and assurances that she conveyed them as a token of good will. After Miss Lewis handed him the flowers, General Forrest responded with a short speech that, in the contemporary pages of the Memphis Appeal, evinces Forrest's racial open-mindedness that seemed to have been growing in him. "Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand." (Prolonged applause.) Whereupon N. B. Forrest again thanked Miss Lewis for the bouquet and then gave her a kiss on the cheek. Such a kiss was unheard of in the society of those days, in 1875, but it showed a token of respect and friendship between the general and the black community and did much to promote harmony among the citizens of Memphis. OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND. GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-10   2:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: war (#6) That could be but not in the US. The executive branch is charged with all aapects of foreign relations which includes commerce. States are expressly forbidden in Article I Section 10 from entering into any treaty with a foreign nation. Ahhhh,the Commerce Clause that you lefties so dearly love! Exporting to a foreign nation that the US has trade agreements with out of a seaport located in your own state is not a violation of the Commerce Clause. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   8:34:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: Skip Intro (#7) Goldi is pretty much correct with everything she wrote. You've got to be kidding. I'm not. If anything I am stunned that people are still so ignorant as to believe it was over slavery. Then again,I shouldn't be shocked at this late date over seeing lefties believe everything their mommy and daddy state has taught them. The government is your Gawd,and you only fail to trust them when non-commies are in charge. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   8:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: war (#8) You think it was about slavery,huh? So did these guys: Nice spin. Ever heard of a gun named Abraham Lincoln? He's the guy that started the war,and he said he slavery had nothing to do with it. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   8:43:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: war (#10) A houses divided against itself cannot stand...eventually it will be all of the one thing or all of the other... You are right about that. Communism won. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   8:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: war (#11) ..he and I have this conversation once or twice a year but he's old so he fergits what I learned him.. Yeah,that must be what it is. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   8:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: go65 (#12) Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens. March 26, 1861 Ahhhh,so I guess this means we should accept the words of wisdom from Goober Gore and Joe Biden as reality? "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   8:49:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: mininggold (#14) but at some point the Jews are going to have use what ever influence they have to support conservatives. NOT going to happen. Not now,not ever. Israel is a socialist nation. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   8:50:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: sneakypete (#18) Ahhhh,the Commerce Clause that you lefties so dearly love! Nope. Re-read what I wrote. This is an Article II issue. Exporting to a foreign nation that the US has trade agreements with out of a seaport located in your own state is not a violation of the Commerce Clause. States don't and never have had supreme authority of regulation of ports of egress. #67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace war  posted on  2010-04-10   8:58:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: sneakypete (#20) He's the guy that started the war,and he said he slavery had nothing to do with it. No secession no war. #67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace war  posted on  2010-04-10   8:59:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: Badeye (#16) Ah...no. You have nothing to export from the Antebellum South without SLAVES. Thats simply fact. Without the RIGHT to OWN SLAVES, everything Sally writes is IRRELEVANT. Not true. We (the original colonies)started out exporting goods to Europe before slavery existed here. We used indentured servants,both black and white. In fact,it was a former indentured servant that created slavery as a legal institution by going to court and having his indentured servant declared to be his property. This man was black and the indentured servant he enslaved were both black. Slavery was just more profitable at that time. A condition which would have changed as machinery became available to do the work more efficiently and cheaply. After all,the slaves all had "free health care,free housing,free food,and free clothing". Hell,they even had a retirement plan that allowed them to sit around and still be fed and housed once they got too old to work. Slavery was a wet dream come true for the left,and Obama is trying to bring it back to thundering applause from them. The only difference is he wants the whites to be the slaves. "I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114) sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-10   9:00:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: sneakypete (#27) (Edited) You're out of your mind if you believe it was a cushy life. The fact that movement was restricted should be enough to convince you otherwise. #67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace war  posted on  2010-04-10   10:42:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: war (#28) it was a cushy life. Slavery...what a hoot...and the underground railroad was a happy-go-lucky field trip. Suzanne  posted on  2010-04-10   11:12:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: sneakypete, White Sands (#24) NOT going to happen. Not now,not ever. Israel is a socialist nation. I agree but White Sands who made that statement evidently hasn't caught on yet. He wants the Mossad to enforce a type of group think. It's the war, stupid. mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   11:17:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: sneakypete (#23) Ahhhh,so I guess this means we should accept the words of wisdom from Goober Gore and Joe Biden as reality If they were part and parcel of the formation of the original US government... you betcha. Just what other authorities would you cite? It's the war, stupid. mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   11:24:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: sneakypete (#24) Israel is a socialist nation. Socialism will work under a system of non-freeloading, like minded moral people. The problem is keeping the riff-raff out. no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-10   11:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #33. To: sneakypete, war (#20) Nice spin. Ever heard of a gun named Abraham Lincoln? He's the guy that started the war,and he said he slavery had nothing to do with it. The Civil War started when Confederate soldiers on Morris Island, SC fired a salvo toward Fort Sumter, alerting other Confederate units that it was time to shell the fort. Unless Lincoln somehow commanded Confederate forces, he didn't start the war. Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality. go65  posted on  2010-04-10   11:28:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: no gnu taxes (#32) Socialism will work under a system of non-freeloading, like minded moral people. The problem is keeping the riff-raff out. LOLOLOL So when does the free loading off the rest of the world stop there? It's the war, stupid. mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   11:38:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: mininggold (#34) Give me a comparison of what the so called Palestinian people get from the the rest of the world versus what Israel gets. I mean, when you use your resources to equip your toddlers with suicide bombs, what kind of lifestyle can you hope to have? no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-10   11:46:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: sneakypete (#20) Nice spin. Ever heard of a gun named Abraham Lincoln? So I provide you with the words of the VP of the CSA saying flat-out that secession was due to slavery, and you blow it off. The war was over secession, and secession was over slavery. I don't know how much clearer it can be. Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   11:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: no gnu taxes (#35) Give me a comparison of what the so called Palestinian people get from the the rest of the world versus what Israel gets. I mean, when you use your resources to equip your toddlers with suicide bombs, what kind of lifestyle can you hope to have? As long as Israel does not abide by the contract it made in exchange for the land and the restrictions on it's use it has no standing, period. All troubles either internal or external are the price paid for being a country. Every country has them. You Israel Firsters are such utopians. It's the war, stupid. mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   11:55:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: mininggold (#37) As long as Israel does not abide by the contract it made in exchange for the land and the restrictions on it's use it has no standing, WTF are you talking about/ For all the money spent attacking Israel's stance on defending one tiny little sliver of land in in the ME, every single "Palestinian" person could be transfered to some other Muzzie country and live like kings. Do you support the goal of destroying Isreal? no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-10   12:00:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: no gnu taxes (#38) For all the money spent attacking Israel's stance on defending one tiny little sliver How much money are you talking about, Eric? Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   12:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: no gnu taxes (#32) Socialism will work under a system of non-freeloading, like minded moral people. Are you referring to Heaven, because it doesn't work in any of the countries I have been in. OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND. GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-10   12:11:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: Skip Intro, sneakeypete (#36) So I provide you with the words of the VP of the CSA saying flat-out that secession was due to slavery, and you blow it off. And the comparison he used really shoots his credibility too. I'm surprised. It's not like your source wasn't instrumental in the forming of the CSA. I guess only second party sources or less should count as "authorities". lol It's the war, stupid. mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:11:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #42. To: mininggold (#37) You Israel Firsters are such utopians. No, were Christians, not those cursed by God. OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND. GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-10   12:13:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #43. To: no gnu taxes (#38) Do you support the goal of destroying Isreal? Do you support the EQUALLY stated goal of including most of the middle east including parts of Syria and Iran, as the new Jewish Homeland? It's the war, stupid. mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:14:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: GarySpFC (#40) Socialism will work under a system of non-freeloading, like minded moral people. Have you ever lived in such a system as I have described? no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-10   12:16:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #45. To: no gnu taxes (#44) Have you ever lived in such a system as I have described? What you are describing is just one big tribe. It's the war, stupid. mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:18:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #46. To: mininggold (#43) Answering a question with a question. Typical ploy of libtards and Paultards. Answer my question and I will answer yours'. no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-10   12:18:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #47. To: no gnu taxes (#46) Answering a question with a question. Typical ploy of libtards and Paultards. Answer my question and I will answer yours'. I didn't fall for your bait so you are pissed. Poor baby. I don't care if you answer or not, as you already have stated that certain countries get an automatic pass for whatever they want to do. It's the war, stupid. mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:21:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #48. To: sneakypete (#20) (Edited) Nice spin. Ever heard of a gun named Abraham Lincoln? He's the guy that started the war,and he said he slavery had nothing to do with it. I suppose history being written by the victors, it's no wonder many are confused today. Years ago I ran across a website (I'll try and find them again), of the decendents of black slaves that discovered the truth about the War of Aggression, and made it their goal to get the truth out, once and for all, that the war was not fought over slavery, as they had been spoon fed all their lives. They found that their ancestors did fight in that war, but they fought for the South. Lincoln had given Maine the option of keeping their slaves, if they didn't secede, he didn't give a damn about the slaves, he wanted control over the states...Lincoln actually did what our government today is threatening, they're going to turn their federal thugs loose on the citizens they have declared 'terrorist'...anyone who dares question their agenda, it's a Federal takeover, but it won't be called that, the people themselves will be the combatants, the enemy! Murron  posted on  2010-04-10   12:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #49. To: mininggold (#41) I'm still trying to find Goldi's source for this: The South wanted to sell their crops to Foreign Nations and use their own ports. FEDGOV said NO. You have to ship them up North, and let our middlemen sell them to nations WE choose at prices we select. The South was getting HOSED. One of the reasons they had slaves was due to the North imposing these rules on them. They couldn't afford to pay wages. Maybe it's hidden in Israel and only Marguerite knows where. Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   12:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #50. To: Murron (#48) if they didn't secede, he didn't give a damn about the slaves That's right, he cared about preserving the Union. Why can't you gomers figure that out? Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-10   12:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #51. To: mininggold (#47) Answer my question and I will answer yours' no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-10   12:27:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #52. To: GarySpFC (#42) No, were Christians, not those cursed by God. I don't quite know what you are saying but Jesus made it real clear what he thought of the Pharisees and I don't see it mentioned that Christians should donate blood and treasure so they could have a homeland. It's the war, stupid. mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #53. To: Skip Intro (#50) That's right, he cared about preserving the Union. Why can't you gomers figure that out? As evidenced by the mandating of non secession clauses in their new revised state constitutions. Texas which was even it's own republic just a few years prior to the CW cannot now secede legally. It's the war, stupid. mininggold  posted on  2010-04-10   12:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply         .       .       . Comments (54 - 145) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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