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Title: Goldi-Lox Explains the Civil War
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URL Source: http://69.164.197.124/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=287235&Disp=13#C13
Published: Apr 9, 2010
Author: Goldi-Lox
Post Date: 2010-04-09 19:08:35 by Skip Intro
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Views: 18425
Comments: 145

THAT is bullshit.

The civil war was all about MONEY.

The South wanted to sell their crops to Foreign Nations and use their own ports.

FEDGOV said NO. You have to ship them up North, and let our middlemen sell them to nations WE choose at prices we select.

The South was getting HOSED. One of the reasons they had slaves was due to the North imposing these rules on them. They couldn't afford to pay wages.

Now, some of them were very greedy, no doubt...and that is evidenced in the grand homes they built.

However, many southern farmers were barely breaking even and were sick and tired of it. They wanted to use the ports in SC and GA to ship their products and wanted to sell to France and others at better prices than they were getting.

FEDGOV imposed rules on them....so they seceded in order to run their own farms.

However, once fighting broke out, and a civil war was in place Lincoln decided to break the backs of the South, by freeing the slaves who he hoped would fight them in their own towns and plantations. That didn't happen.

Lincoln used Slavery as an excuse for a lot of the actions he engaged in. He was as bad as Obastard...he imprisoned the entire Maryland Assembly (Govt) including the Governor, so they could not vote to seceed. He kept them imprisoned in Fort McHenry for MONTHS. He committed a lot of atrocities. He is no hero. He was a jerk - and an abuser of our Constitution. In fact, read the words of the state song "Maryland my Maryland" - where it says "The tyrants food is on our shores/neck"...that tyrant was Lincoln.

Most blacks who were slaves were well treated, and did not want to leave their homes...and most didn't. Those who were mistreated did, and flooded the cities in the north...from which they have never recovered.

But few slaves - or freedmen - were engaged in the fighting.

Booth was a hero to the South. And still is today.

Goldi-Lox posted on 2010-04-09 18:57:04 ET Reply Trace

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#95. To: mininggold (#88)

How is that left or right?

Such profound ignorance can only come from the left. It's not only taught in the public schools,but for northerners it is genetic.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-11   22:13:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: mininggold (#90)

I guess so. And he sticks with his comparison of Gore and Biden with the VP of the CSA.... that's pretty pathetic.

They were all VP's,numbnuts. And my comparison was in response to one of your brain farts.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-11   22:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: sneakypete (#96) (Edited)

They were all VP's,numbnuts. And my comparison was in response to one of your brain farts.

They were VPs from different countries and in different eras ....numbnuts. Why don't you just admit your apples to oranges comparison. It really does affect what's left of your credibility.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-12   1:12:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: sneakypete (#96) (Edited)

And my comparison was in response to one of your brain farts.

Which you neglected to mention or refer to in any post. And you talk about others having brain farts.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-12   1:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: mininggold (#97)

They were VPs from different countries and in different eras ...

Oh,well. That makes all the difference in the world,doesn't it?

Tell me,is a horse in NY still a horse in Florida? And the day I start to worry about what a cretin like you thinks of my credibility is the day I hang myself.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-12   6:14:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: sneakypete (#27)

Sorry, sneaky, but the fact is the South wanted slavery to continue. If it had not been THE issue throughout the 1850's, the Civil War would not have occured.

'The Lost Cause' myth says it was a war about 'States Rights'.

What was the 'primary Right' the South desired above all others?

As the CSA Constitution Clearly STATES - the Right to maintain SLAVERY as a institution.

Had the CSA abolished slavery, THEN fired on Ft Sumter, they would have won.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-12   9:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#62)

So Lincoln went to war to free the slaves?????

Is that what you're here to tell us?

Now I believe Goldi is a loon, but why don't you share with us your take on the civil war?

Actually, the South fired the first shot. Lets at least agree on the timeline of events.

No, Lincoln did NOT go to war to 'free the slaves'. He responded to the initial attack on a Federal Government military installation.

My 'take' is the South wins if the abolish slavery as an institution, then fires on Ft Sumter. Europe would have broken the blockade that was eventually placed around the South's neck and effectively strangled it. Doubt they would have provided ground troops, but then again I don't think the South would have needed them as the first 3 years of the war demonstrated.

But anyone attempting to say the war wasn't about 'slavery' is kidding themselves. The Civil War has been accurately described as 'being bracketed by the actions of TWO madmen. Abolitionist John Brown, and John Wilkes Booth'.

'The Lost Cause' theory promulgated by Southerns such as Jubal Early is the one instance in world history (my opinion here specifically) where the 'Losing Side' was allowed to write 'the history' without rebuke or debunking or...punishment of some kind. Not saying there should have been 'punishment' for it...just noting its curious in the history of warfare, IE winners v losers.

It was designed to remove the obvious, it was about slavery...and it was designed to shift blame for the loss of the war from Robert E Lee specifically and shift it to General James Longstreet, who Early despised. The whole 'theory' came about after Longstreet threw in after the war with his good friend US Grant, and became a Republican appointee.

It wasn't helped that Longstreet after Lee died painted himself in a light that history simply didn't support on some key facts, especially related to the battle most attribute to leading to the South's defeat, Gettysburg. After that debacle, which Lee himself is to blame for, the ANV (Army of Northern Virginia) was never an effective offensive force, having gutted itself over those three bloody days.

My view is the South wins in the first 24 months of that war had they rejected the institution of slavery. Its also my view the CSA would have witnessed multiple states suceed from IT within a couple of years...and the end result is the 20th century would have seen a North America that resembled modern day Europe, fractured into as many as 12 'nation states'. Again here, my 'opinion' specifically.

Consider how WW1 and/or WW2 would have ended had that taken place....facinating the consider the ramifications...at least to me.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-12   9:16:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Badeye (#100)

Sorry, sneaky, but the fact is the South wanted slavery to continue. If it had not been THE issue throughout the 1850's, the Civil War would not have occured.

Sorry Badeye, but you are dead wrong. You simply do not understand the Southern psyche. Southerners are a very proud group, and the aristrocrats by the time of the CW had already decided slavery was morally wrong, but in spite of that they were not about to allow outsiders to push something down their throats.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-12   10:15:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: GarySpFC (#102)

I posted the statements of seccession...given that they clearly state that SLAVERY IS THE MAIN REASON FOR THEIR SECCESSION it's insane to believe otherwise.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-12   10:18:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: GarySpFC (#102)

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

That statement is false, btw.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-12   10:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: war (#103) (Edited)

I posted the statements of seccession...given that they clearly state that SLAVERY IS THE MAIN REASON FOR THEIR SECCESSION it's insane to believe otherwise.

Cleary that is what was stated, and that was the reaction due to outsiders telling them how to run their business. Go read Forrest's speech to the Polebearers again, and remember it was from a former slave trader.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-12   10:36:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: GarySpFC (#105)

You want me to accept the statement of one person as being above the statements of a body of people?

You have the Calhoun problem too, you know...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-12   10:39:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: sneakypete (#99)

Oh,well. That makes all the difference in the world,doesn't it?

Tell me,is a horse in NY still a horse in Florida? And the day I start to worry about what a cretin like you thinks of my credibility is the day I hang myself.

Only if you are interested in accuracy.

Name calling..... such a lefty tactic.... too bad you used to be better than that. And yes you started it. Now you appear only interested in thinking you are right. Facts seem to not matter at all.

To compare those VPs as being similiar was to insult and minimize the role of the VP of the CSA.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-12   10:53:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: war (#106) (Edited)

You want me to accept the statement of one person as being above the statements of a body of people?

You have the Calhoun problem too, you know...

There have been so many lies told about Forrest, with a goal of maintaining victim status, that I simply do not see your side as moving one iota from your position regardless of the evidence. Hate is a important motivator from your side's POV, and he is the example.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-12   11:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: GarySpFC (#102)

Sorry, but those 'aristocrats' codified it in the CSA Constitution, as a post way up above quoted exactly.

I understand the 'Southern psyche' quite well. I also know today its based on the Lost Cause bullshit thats been utterly discredited by historians from both Northern and Southern perspectives.

The South today likes to either pretend it 'wasn't about slavery' or pretends the war never happened (See Atlanta - who's historical time line ends in the 1850's and picks back up in the 1870's).

Your statement is further 'gutted' by the simple fact that the notion of arming 'blacks' in the South to bolster the vastly outnumbered CSA forces was considered by a vast majority within the legislature to be 'treason'. Or suicidal, take your pick.

And tell me, if they had decided it was 'morally wrong' and only resisted because 'they wouldn't allow it to be pushed down their throats'....ah, morally wrong is MORALLY WRONG.

What you state here is something I noted way up above, the South - like the British Empire of that ear, would rather 'lose the war than admit the mistake'.

They could have won. The decision to codify Slavery in their Constitution was in the end the deciding factor. It prevented any possibility of the worlds great powers from siding with the CSA. It gave Lincoln a huge advantage in the North to 'define' the war as it was taking place, not only taking and holding the 'moral highground' of the era, but to this day. Not saying he was fighting the war over slavery, thats simply not true as his own words up until his assasination clearly demonstrate.

But the fact is the CSA died of a theory. The theory was they could suceed from the Union AND keep a Institution (Slavery) without repercussions that doomed it to failure.

The simple fact of this matter is the Union, despite all of its advantages in manpower, and manufacturing, couldn't get out of its own way til Grant was promoted to command of ALL Union forces, in both theaters. The war shouldn't have lasted more than 18 months, tops, given the disparity in military and economic forces. It was only due to Union incompetence the war lasted four years in my view.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-12   11:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Badeye (#109)

Sorry, but those 'aristocrats' codified it in the CSA Constitution, as a post way up above quoted exactly.

Codification seems to not matter here. And if you are from the south you are entitled to read into it what you want.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-12   11:08:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: GarySpFC (#108)

I don't hate anyone. And BFD is he gave a speech.

NO SLAVERY = NO WAR.

Period...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-12   11:21:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Boofer (#109)

It was only due to Union incompetence the war lasted four years in my view.

And everyone else's, Boof. (eyes rolling)

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-12   11:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: war, GaryspFC (#111)

I don't hate anyone. And BFD is he gave a speech.

NO SLAVERY = NO WAR.

Period...

Evidently Gary is saying you can't believe those who made the military their career, even when it was put on the record. Maybe he is right... he ought to know.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-12   11:35:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Badeye (#109)

Have you considered what percentage of Southerners owned slaves?

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-12   12:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: GarySpFC (#114)

Have you considered what percentage of Southerners owned slaves?

Yep. Which is why your comment about 'artistocrats' previously simply doesn't hold water.

It wasn't the vast majority of Southerners that fought and died in that war that 'codified Slavery' in the CSA Constitution.

The average Southerner didn't own slaves. They were sold on supporting the war as a 'states rights' issue, and it was adroitly played by that aristocratic class as a 'matter of honor' to the hilt.

But it doesn't change the facts as written by the CSA's own hand in its Constitution. Yep, States Rights was a central, key theme. But the next question after that acknowledgement is 'States Rights to do WHAT?'

And the answer cannot be denied. 'To maintain the Institution of Slavery'.

The Federal Government was doing what it does to this day, taxing unfairly. No dispute. But there is a way to deal with that, via the Constitution. If that was the only issue, there would never have been a Civil War in my view.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-12   12:29:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: GarySpFC (#114)

In that case...what's a little child molestation...packrat probably wouldn't mind....

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-12   12:30:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Badeye (#115)

The average Southerner didn't own slaves. They were sold on supporting the war as a 'states rights' issue, and it was adroitly played by that aristocratic class as a 'matter of honor' to the hilt.
But it doesn't change the facts as written by the CSA's own hand in its Constitution. Yep, States Rights was a central, key theme. But the next question after that acknowledgement is 'States Rights to do WHAT?'
And the answer cannot be denied. 'To maintain the Institution of Slavery'.

Why? Once again, because outsiders were cramming their views down the Southerner's throats.

The Federal Government was doing what it does to this day, taxing unfairly. No dispute. But there is a way to deal with that, via the Constitution. If that was the only issue, there would never have been a Civil War in my view.

Let's take a look at something interesting.'

In 1703, 42 percent of New York's households had slaves; the only city with more was Charleston, South Carolina. By 1775, in New York there were 3,100 slaves, accounting for 30 percent to 40 percent of the city's workforce.
Slavery was part of every American colony until Vermont got rid of it in 1777; emancipation "came grudgingly and not completely" in New York until 1827."
http://www.newyorkology.com/archives/2005/10/slavery_in...

The point being the South knew slavery was a dying institution. Yes, they codified it in their Constitution, and that due to hostility from the North. Likewise, prior to the Civil Rights movement I frequently heard many declare segregation was wrong. However, the CRM set progress back 30-40 years. Older Southern blacks will admit this as being true.

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GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-12   13:57:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: GarySpFC (#117)

Okay...they 'knew' and did it anyway. And that act ensured they'd never get any support, or recognition, as a seperate nation when they suceeded.

Any way you cut it, they FUCKED UP on that one issue, and it doomed them.

As I noted, Lincoln didn't set out to 'free the slaves'. He took that tac when he needed to. I'm aware that slavery existed in the North and that the change came slowly.

Still doesn't contradict my noting Slavery as a codified institution doomed the CSA from day one.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-12   14:10:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: GarySpFC (#117) (Edited)

However, the CRM set progress back 30-40 years. Older Southern blacks will admit this as being true.

You - and the unnamed "they" - are out of your minds...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-12   14:10:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Badeye (#118)

Still doesn't contradict my noting Slavery as a codified institution doomed the CSA from day one.

I don't doubt that. However, once again, slavery was not the root cause of the CW. In fact many of the Founding Fathers were slave holders, and were still respected even though deceased prior to the breakout of the CW.

BTW, I live close to where John Brown lived and started his killing. The man was not respected in the area.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-12   14:30:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: GarySpFC (#120)

slavery was not the root cause of the CW

NO SLAVERY = NO WAR

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-12   14:31:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: GarySpFC (#120)

To: Badeye

Still doesn't contradict my noting Slavery as a codified institution doomed the CSA from day one.

I don't doubt that. However, once again, slavery was not the root cause of the CW. In fact many of the Founding Fathers were slave holders, and were still respected even though deceased prior to the breakout of the CW.

Damn you are a good spinmeister.

What's a code in black and white good for when one can make up authorities out of thin air, most who would have been born a hundred years later or more than a hundred years before?

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-12   15:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: mininggold (#122)

Anyone claiming that slavery was not the root cause of the Civil War is out of their goddam minds...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-12   15:09:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: war (#123)

Anyone claiming that slavery was not the root cause of the Civil War is out of their goddam minds...

I'm tired of the same types saying that our constitution is cut in stone while other constitutions are open for interpretation citing nameless figments.

It's the war, stupid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-12   15:16:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: GarySpFC (#120)

BTW, I live close to where John Brown lived and started his killing. The man was not respected in the area.

(chuckle) Most nutcases aren't respected. ONe of my favorite ironies is that it was then Lt Colonel Robert E Lee, along with some captain named JEB Stewart that captured John Brown at Harpers Ferry.

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Badeye  posted on  2010-04-12   15:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: mininggold (#122) (Edited)

Damn you are a good spinmeister.

What you don't know is my family lived, suffered, and died beause of the CW. They were never slave owners, but saw slavery as evil. My great-great grandfather was killed at Sharpsburg, leaving my great-great grandmother as a widow with two young children, and one died shortly thereafter. My great- grandfather died shortly after I was born, and my grandmother's Mom died at an early age. My family lost everything they had, and moved from S.C. to Alabama in a covered wagon. I listened for years as my family and others passed down this information.

BTW, my mother is 92, aunt 94, and my uncle just passed away last month at 88. Numerous relatives are still alive closing in on 100.

What's a code in black and white good for when one can make up authorities out of thin air, most who would have been born a hundred years later or more than a hundred years before?

Who is denying there was a constitution? I've seen a copy in the first capital at Montgomery. I simply disagree as to the cause of the war.

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GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-12   15:47:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Badeye (#125)

Grant's total war policy makes Iraq and Vietnam look like cake bakes. He would be condemned by both conservatives and liberals today.

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GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-12   16:23:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: GarySpFC (#127)

No more than Truman for nuking.

Lincoln would have been condemed for appointing each of the Generals that proceeded Grant, for not removing Halleck and Stanton, and for not replacing the head of procurement for the Army of the Potomac.

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Badeye  posted on  2010-04-12   16:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Badeye (#128) (Edited)

Grant's total war policy makes Iraq and Vietnam look like cake bakes. He would be condemned by both conservatives and liberals today.

No more than Truman for nuking.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets, with civilians in the area. Grant not onlyi targeted supplies the Confederates could use, which I understand, but he also took or destroyed anything women, children, and the aged could eat. He also destroyed their homes.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-12   17:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Badeye (#100)

Sorry, sneaky, but the fact is the South wanted slavery to continue.

Yes,they did. So did many in the north. It still doesn't matter because slavery was NOT the centerpiece of the war from the point of view of the aggressive forces of the north.

Hell,the north practically enslaved immigrant Irish males right off the boat at Ellis Island,and swore them into the union army on the spot.

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sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-12   20:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: GarySpFC, Badeye (#102)

Sorry Badeye, but you are dead wrong. You simply do not understand the Southern psyche. Southerners are a very proud group, and the aristrocrats by the time of the CW had already decided slavery was morally wrong, but in spite of that they were not about to allow outsiders to push something down their throats.

Don't forget that the vast majority of the citizens of the south didn't own slaves,and many were against slavery.

They weren't fighting for slavery. They were fighting for their homes and for self-rule.

I can't remember the name now,but one Yankee officer is said to have asked a CSA enlisted man why he was fighting when it was obvious he couldn't afford to own slaves,and the man replied "Because you are here."

Which also explains why we will never run out of enemies as long as we are a occupying force in the Middle East.

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sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-12   21:04:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: mininggold (#107)

To compare those VPs as being similiar ......

Yeah,for one thing,if you combined the IQ's of Biden and Goober it wouldn't match the IQ of the typical rabid rat.

Besides,we all know a VP isn't really a VP,right?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-12   21:13:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: sneakypete, GarySpFC, Badeye (#131)

Don't forget that the vast majority of the citizens of the south didn't own slaves,and many were against slavery.

They weren't fighting for slavery. They were fighting for their homes and for self-rule.

Revisionist history at its finest there Sneaky.....

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Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens. March 26, 1861

The prevailing ideas entertained by … most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. … Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of the races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a government built upon it — "When the storm came and the wind blew, it fell."

Our new government is built upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition. This, our new Government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-04-13   8:58:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: go65 (#133)

If you think the Northeners, in general, had any different opinion of Negros, you are delusional.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-13   9:01:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: GarySpFC (#129)

You are confusing Grant with Sherman here. In effect, two very different theaters of operation. Grant had a magnificent supply base, the largest ever created in the history of warfare up to that time, located at City Point. Shipping came directly from the Atlantic to the docks there. Trains had access as well. Grants 'supply line' was measured in YARDS more or less, from the point supplies were embarked upon the docks, or train yards.

Sherman's supply lines were more or less none existent once past Kennesaw Mountain, and measured in hundreds of miles. To execute the 'March to the Sea' from Atlanta, his only option was to 'live off the land'. Yes, it was his intention to 'make Georgia/south Carolina howl' and he did. Most don't realize the deep South was in fact vitually 'untouched' by the affects of the war on the front lines. Mary Chestnut's diaries make it very clear, once she left Richmond in that final eight months. The Union controlled New Orleans, but not the countryside around it. The Union blockaded Charleston, but never controlled it throughout most of the war. Same for every other Atlantic port, til Sherman took them from LANDWARD.

As for taking from the population...see Lee's second invasion of the North, see Jubal Early's late foray into the Washington DC vicinity near the end of the war. They did the same thing, more or less. Though they didn't burn to the ground storage facilities, rail yards, etc.

You bet Sherman burnt to the ground the Aristocrats gigantic homes when he came upon them. As we discussed earlier, it was they that insisted on codifying slavery in the CSA Constitution. It was they that benefited from it the most.

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Badeye  posted on  2010-04-13   10:32:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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