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Title: Neo Cons Defend Massacre Of Iraqi Journalists, Children
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Published: Apr 6, 2010
Author: Paul Joseph Watson
Post Date: 2010-04-06 14:58:18 by mininggold
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Neo Cons Defend Massacre Of Iraqi Journalists, Children Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet.com Tuesday, April 6, 2010 Bloodthirsty neo-cons who would defend barbecuing Arab babies on the White House lawn if they were told it was part of the “war on terror” are disgracefully scrambling to defend a shocking video released by Wikileaks which shows U.S. Apache helicopters massacring Iraqi journalists and children in Baghdad while laughing about it. “The newly released video of the Baghdad attacks was recorded on one of two Apache helicopters hunting for insurgents on 12 July 2007,” reports the Guardian. “Among the dead were a 22-year-old Reuters photographer, Namir Noor-Eldeen, and his driver, Saeed Chmagh, 40. The Pentagon blocked an attempt by Reuters to obtain the video through a freedom of information request. Wikileaks director Julian Assange said his organisation had to break through encryption by the military to view it.” The video shows the journalists openly walking down the middle of the street with tripods and video cameras while talking to other Iraqis and preparing to set up filming. Claiming the men are carrying RPG rocket grenade launchers, the Apache pilots indiscriminately open fire on the group, before firing again at people who attempt to rescue the dying men. The rescuers’ van, which is seen to contain at least two children, is blown to pieces as the soldiers laugh and chuckle, “Hahaha. I hit ‘em,” and “Oh yeah, look at those dead bastards.” “One of the men on the ground, believed to be Chmagh, is seen wounded and trying to crawl to safety. One of the helicopter crew is heard wishing for the man to reach for a gun, even though there is none visible nearby, so he has the pretext for opening fire: “All you gotta do is pick up a weapon.” A van draws up next to the wounded man and Iraqis climb out. They are unarmed and start to carry the victim to the vehicle in what would appear to be an attempt to get him to hospital. One of the helicopters opens fire with armour-piercing shells. “Look at that. Right through the windshield,” says one of the crew. Another responds with a laugh. Sitting behind the windscreen were two children who were wounded.” Shortly after, a U.S. Humvee drives over one of the dead bodies. “I think they just drove over a body,” one of the pilots says, while chuckling. The video arrives in the same week it was revealed that U.S. special forces dug bullets out of victims following a botched raid in Afghanistan and then lied to their superiors about the incident in an effort to cover-up the murder of innocent civilians – two pregnant women, a teenage girl, a police officer and his brother. As the following clip highlights, this latest horror is merely the most recent in a long chain of videos cataloging the unreasonable and unprovoked abuse and brutality innocent Iraqis have been subjected to since the March 2003 invasion. Watch the massacre clip in full below. Some apologists, people like CFR stooge Brett H. McGurk, have blamed “fog of war” for the attack, while acknowledging the tragedy of the incident, but others have shamefully blamed the very people who were slaughtered for the entire incident. Despite the fact that U.S. military admits that none of the men were carrying rocket launchers, Hot Air writer Ed Morrissey claims the Iraqis were gunned down because they were aiming RPG’s at U.S. troops. “It’s difficult to imagine any other purpose for an RPG launcher at that time and place. That’s exactly the kind of threat that US airborne forces were tasked to detect and destroy, which is why the gunships targeted and shot all of the members of the group,” Morrissey absurdly states, completely lying about the nature of the entire incident. As the Guardian report clarifies, “One of the helicopter crew is heard saying that one of the group is shooting. But the video shows there is no shooting or even pointing of weapons. The men are standing around, apparently unperturbed.” The men are clearly walking openly and casually down the middle of the street, and are at ease with the fact that there are two Apache attack helicopters hovering over them. If they were preparing to attack the choppers or U.S. troops nearby, they would hardly be strolling around talking on mobile phones and chatting, they would be hunkered down amidst nearby buildings. The men are clearly at ease and not in an attack posture – as is born out by the fact that they were journalists preparing to film interviews. Or as Wikileaks director Julian Assange puts it, “Why would anyone be so relaxed with two Apaches if someone was carrying an RPG and that person was an enemy of the United States?” Unsatisfied with just running defense for people who massacre innocents and kids while laughing about it, Morrissey then has the temerity to justify the subsequent slaughter of the brave individuals who tried to help the dying victims. “Another accusation is that US forces fired on and killed rescue workers attempting to carry one of the journalists out of the area. However, the video clearly shows that the vehicle in question bore no markings of a rescue vehicle at all, and the men who ran out of the van to grab the wounded man wore no uniforms identifying themselves as such. Under any rules of engagement, and especially in a terrorist hot zone like Baghdad in 2007, that vehicle would properly be seen as support for the terrorists that had just been engaged and a legitimate target for US forces. While they didn’t grab weapons before getting shot, the truth is that the gunships didn’t give them the chance to try, either — which is exactly what they’re trained to do. They don’t need to wait until someone gets hold of the RPG launcher and fires it at the gunship or at the reinforcements that had already begun to approach the scene,” he writes. Again, Morrissey’s entire twisted logic is based around the premise that the men were carrying RPG rocket launchers, which is confirmed and admitted not to be the case by Major Shawn Turner, a spokesman for U.S. Central Command. Claiming the Apache pilots mistook the cameras for RPG rockets is one thing, but Morrissey continues to claim that the cameras were RPG’s in order to justify the slaughter, despite the fact that it’s fully confirmed that the men were not carrying RPG’s – they were journalists with tripods and long lens cameras. “A military investigation concluded that the ‘RPG’ was really a long-range photography lens and the camera looked like an AK-47,” reports Sky News. Morrissey’s characterization of the victims as the “terrorists that had just been engaged” is also completely at odds with the fact that the men were civilians, journalists and children. Illustrating the level of denial and delusion that neo-cons wrap themselves in when acting as apologists for war crimes, one Hot Air reader even goes so far as to claim that the entire video is fake, despite the fact that the U.S. military admits it is genuine and has spent years trying to block its release. “This has all the hallmarks of some bullshit Hollywood production. The soldiers sound scripted, the Bradley Fighting vehicles look inauthentic,” a poster named Cr4sh Dummy ludicrously claims. “My conclusions is that (t)his is simply and unequivocally a viral video for some bullshit antiwar movie based on this event,” the commenter blathers. Again, the U.S. military itself admits that the video is genuine, but that’s not enough for the tragically retarded “fans” of Michelle Malkin. This reminds us of when Malkin hysterically claimed that a video showing U.S. soldiers throwing a puppy off a clip was a hoax and that the dog was a stuffed toy. “Watch the clip closely. The puppy doesn’t move. It’s clear to me that it’s either dead or a stuffed toy. The sound effects of a dog yapping seem to have been dubbed in,” wrote Malkin. The soldier who threw the puppy off the cliff, Lance Cpl. David Motari, was later kicked out of the Corps, and a second Marine involved was disciplined. Malkin never retracted her ridiculous claim that the dog was a stuffed toy. In another Malkin-linked blog piece, the writer recycles the lie that “the video shows armed insurgents engaging or about to engage US troops,” when it shows the exact opposite, as every analyst who has watched it agrees, and the author all but praises the murdering Apache pilots while attacking Wikileaks for releasing the video as, “Beyond stupid, they’re evil.” Apparently, ripping innocent men who have families and children limb from limb for no good reason is perfectly acceptable, but releasing a film of the incident is “evil”. What pit of hell did these monsters climb out of? Directing his vitriol at the brave van drivers who attempted to save their dying loved ones, the blogger snaps, “You are stupid. Innocent, but stupid. You’re asking to be killed.” The rest of the article attempts to convince the reader that cameras and tripods were in fact RPG’s, when as we have exhaustively stressed was admitted not to be the case by the U.S. military itself. The victims were Reuters photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen and his driver who also worked for Reuters news agency – they were not RPG carrying terrorists. “Military spokesman Turner said that during the engagement, the helicopter mistook a camera for a rocket-propelled grenade launcher,” reports the Mail. There were never any RPG’s, yet neo-cons are still trying to make the case that the slaughter was justified because the men were carrying RPG’s. The scale of this deception knows no bounds. The vulgarity in seeing Malkin and her ilk defend these murderers is underlined by the fact that the soldiers immensely enjoyed killing these innocent men, laughing and chuckling all the way, and as Assange points out, “The behaviour of the pilots is like a computer game. When Saeed is crawling, clearly unable to do anything, their response is: come on buddy, we want to kill you, just pick up a weapon … It appears to be a desire to get a higher score, or a higher number of kills.” Amidst the myriad of obfuscation and denial, neo-con apologists have no come-back for this blatant barbarism. Blowing up vans containing little kids with enjoyment cannot be explained away by Malkin’s bloodthirsty readers, but judging by the comments in response to the article, many of them would indeed support barbecuing Arab babies on the White House lawn to ’send a message that we are getting tough with the terrorists’ – to these thugs, the means justifies the ends. Neo-Cons will go to any lengths to defend and downplay wanton acts of cruelty and barbarism. To them, “supporting the troops” means defending people who slaughter kids and murder little puppies. These people are truly devoid of any human emotion. That’s why they have to invent convoluted theories and outright lies in a desperate effort to explain away something that fits every definition of a war crime.
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#42. To: GarySpFC (#40)
Don't hold your breath, I'm still waiting for these clowns to admit Murtha was a lying piece of shit about Haditha.
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No one here has said that what the soldiers did was wrong.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Based on your unprofessional opinion? WGAS? Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
He's not married and doesn't date females.
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
Okay asshole Yukon. You've reached your quota of retarded posts. You can leave.
Undoubtedly you've obvious refuse to read the link Bill D Berger posted regard 9/11 ... Luberator
They'd be awaiting discharge, after going through mandatory 'sensitivity training' as you know, sneaky. No,I don't know. I have called for "crispy critters" when I wanted a napalm strike on NVA troops coming at me. And I called them worse things that gomers. Hell,you are killing the people. Why worry about calling them names?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Yes,I saw that. It in no way justifies killing another 8 to 10 people who just happened to be in the area. Especially since they didn't know they were being watched,and there were ground troops in the area the helicopter crews could have routed into the area to come up behind them and ambush them.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I don't 'get it' either, sneaky...but it is the way it is today. Straight from the puzzle palace.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
He really likes the pony's though....the sheep are feeling left out...(laughing)
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Bottom line is if your going to hang out with insurgents, you are likely to get your ass killed. Whine about it all you want, thats what happens. for those that want to wail about 'civilians'...its not like they didn't know it was a possibility, given the events of the time frame there. Insurgents were being killed on sight, remember. Remember WHY? I do. But again, as noted above, I can't wait to see those wailing on this thread when the 2009 video comes out later next month from this same organization. Gonna protest Owe-bama's handling of the war? We'll see.
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Still stuck on stupid, eh Abdul? Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
Bottom line is once that guy is kneeling and peeking around the corner with a RPG its a live fire situation, in the specific circumstances of Iraq on that date. Anyone that plays games with an Apache helicopter is simply stupid. Anyone that stands near somebody doing so is even dumber.
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Anyone that plays games with an Apache helicopter is simply stupid. Anyone that stands near somebody doing so is even dumber. I agree entirely.
Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
Anyone that plays games with an Apache helicopter is simply stupid. Anyone that stands near somebody doing so is even dumber. Badeye,none of them knew about the Apache. It was hovering off in the distance. And who knows if the guys in the van picking up the wounded guy knew anything,other than there was a wounded man laying there that needed to go to the hospital? For all he knew,the man had been shot by the insurgents. You don't know,I don't know,and the guys in the helicopter didn't know. You don't kill people just because they happen to be near somebody you want to kill,or because you CAN kill them and get away with it. If we continue to do this,we are no better than the guys that flew the airplanes into the skyscrapers and the Pentagon. Yes,there are times in the heat of a pitched battle that there are going to be collateral causalities,and there isn't a thing you can do about it. This wasn't one of those times. They shot because they could,and because they didn't give a damn about bystanders getting hit.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
And I'm still waiting for you to call the veteran witnesses to the Israeli bombing of the USS Liberty, liars.
Riiiight, that guy with the RPG was just playing 'peek a boo, I see you' looking around the corner with the neighborhood kids, who just happened to be directly under the Apache. Clear day, no buildings taller than what we would call a 'story and a half' and they didn't see the helicopter. Riiiight. If your going to hang out with insurgents in a war zone, you run the risk of getting your ass blown away. They did, and they did.
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Badeye,none of them knew about the Apache. It was hovering off in the distance. Riiiight, that guy with the RPG was just playing 'peek a boo, I see you' looking around the corner with the neighborhood kids, who just happened to be directly under the Apache. You obviously not only don't know anything,you don't even suspect very much. The guys that were armed were setting up a ambush for advancing US GROUND forces. You do NOT go Apache helicopter hunting with a RPG. The Apache can kill you from two miles away,and you won't even know he is there. Clear day, no buildings taller than what we would call a 'story and a half' and they didn't see the helicopter. Riiiight. Yes,that IS right. If your going to hang out with insurgents in a war zone, you run the risk of getting your ass blown away. They did, and they did. Did you see the 30mm rounds tearing up the rooftops and walls as they struck them? Were the people living in those houses "hanging around with insurgents" by staying at home inside their houses?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Now you've done it... you've once again underscored the difference between being a real soldier and playing one on the internet.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
The guys that were armed were setting up a ambush for advancing US GROUND forces. You do NOT go Apache helicopter hunting with a RPG. The Apache can kill you from two miles away,and you won't even know he is there. Emmm, pardon me for my 'ignorance' but I'd rather the Apache crew take out the AMBUSH before it hits the GROUND TROOPS. And yes, I'm familiar with the capabilities of the Apache, and the newest variant, the Longbow. Yep, they can kill tanks, apc's, various ground installations from more than 2 miles away. The range of the Hellfire missile is several times that actually. But I also know the Apache, while 'relatively quiet' compared to other similiar weapon platforms, is still a HELICOPTER. And you can in fact HEAR THEM from two miles away. Only reason I know this is they occasionally do fly overs here, in rural southeast Ohio. For the obvious reason. Sorry, killing them before they attack and possibly kill the ground troops is a 'good thing' in my view. Finally, gee...nobody has said 'people in the houses were killed/wounded' even on the leftwingnut sites. So the last one is a bullshit throw away line irrelevant to this particular incident. Better them then our troops. Thats always been my view, that will always be my view. I do appreciate the civility, such as it is, in these exchanges.
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Chuckles...wikipedia is your friend... (laughing)
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Emmm, pardon me for my 'ignorance' but I'd rather the Apache crew take out the AMBUSH before it hits the GROUND TROOPS. What you are missing is that because the Apache had eyes on the badguys,no such ambush by them was possible. In FACT,the Apache could have routed the US ground troops to come in behind the bad guys and ambush THEM. But I also know the Apache, while 'relatively quiet' compared to other similiar weapon platforms, is still a HELICOPTER. And you can in fact HEAR THEM from two miles away. Only reason I know this is they occasionally do fly overs here, in rural southeast Ohio. For the obvious reason. Two things,here. First is they can and do muffle them when they want. The second thing is that rural Ohio is a LOT quieter than it is in Baghdad,and there are no buildings to shield noise. Sorry, killing them before they attack and possibly kill the ground troops is a 'good thing' in my view. Yes,but killing innocents isn't. What we are doing in the middle east right now is CREATING new terrorists with every act such as this. Finally, gee...nobody has said 'people in the houses were killed/wounded' even on the leftwingnut sites. Nobody,including me. What I AM saying is there was and is a callous and total disregard for the lives and property of the families living in those houses. Innocent men,women,and children COULD have easily been killed in a couple of those bursts,and nobody seems to give a damn. 30mm automatic weapons are battlefield weapons designed to be used against hardened targets,not individual weapons suitable for use on city streets to kill individuals where innocents are living and walking. So the last one is a bullshit throw away line irrelevant to this particular incident. Yeah,what the hell,right? Who really cares about shooting up a bunch of houses with innocent men,women,and children living in them,right? So we kill at least 12-15 people to take out MAYBE 5 bad guys? Who cares,right? Better them then our troops. Thats always been my view, that will always be my view. I do appreciate the civility, such as it is, in these exchanges. This IS the type of thing that kills our troops because it creates new enemies. THAT is where your viewpoint fails you.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Amen petey.
Badeye's apparently just speaking from his own personal experience. He evidently, inspite of his internet bravado type personna, prefers to grovel before a superior force. He can't empathsize with those who will not do that, and who will plot and fight to get even, even if it takes years
It's the war, stupid.
We just agree to disagree. Sorry, killing them from a distance is far more preferrable than setting up and ambush of an ambush, when you can eliminate the threat all together as was done here. I have no problem with what was done here. War is hell, as the saying goes. You and I both know civilians in a war zone get killed, there simply is no avoiding it. Bottom line remains the same. If you are hanging around with insurgents, you run the risk of getting blown away with those insurgents. Its unfortunate THEY choose the battlefield to be within a heavily populated urban area. But the fact remains THEY choose it, not us. I value our troops lives over any others in another country. Always will. Some might think thats 'cold'. I'm okay with that too. They mean more to me than anyone in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Pakistan, or anywhere else you care to mention. Risking a platoon or squad here on the ground, in this particular moment in time and circumstances of the year 2007 in Iraq, when you have the bad guys in the sights of an Apache is simply ridiculous in my view. Our guys are worth more than that, in short. JMHO. I'd rather have them walk off the plane then be carried by six with a Honor Guard looking on.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Yepper...after all he did spend all of those dark nights in the coal mines of the Indian Ocean waiting for the dig order...
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
The camera case "contents".
It's the war, stupid.
Now he can say he was in underwater demolition.
It's the war, stupid.
They mean more to me than anyone in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Pakistan, or anywhere else you care to mention. In that case you should join the rest of us who say "get the hell out of there,NOW!"
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
His valuation stops right at the point of versus other nations.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
Are you a pathological liar? Nobody in the after action report said anything about an RPG being in a camera case. Furthermore, in looking at the enhanced video below the insurgent is holding an RPG-7, NOT an RPG-29. Now get over your evil lying. (Feel free to circulate this image, but please don't hotlink and please attribute to Ryno, a commenter at The Jawa Report)
OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
So post the copy.
It's the war, stupid.
I do too, that's why I opposed sending them to die in Iraq.
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
After Karzai's antics I'm real close to that point. The problem is we'll be right back there in a decade because the Afghan government isn't any stronger than it was at the end of the Soviet occupation. I figure we let the surge in Afghanistan play out, then get out. We'll see. As for Iraq, its time we left.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
And history will show you were wrong. It doesn't matter what you thought in 2003.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
So what? Why is this a problem? They have NEVER had a strong central government. As for Iraq, its time we left. It's good to see you say that.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
The problem, as you know, is the religeous fundementalists known as the Taliban, and those enamoured of al Qaeda. Few more months of killing these goat fuckers, and then we leave. If nothing else it buys the government of Afghanistan, and us, some time.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
What I know is we had most of them killed a long time ago,and the ones we are fighting now didn't exist until we created them. The longer we stay there,the more we will create.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
We're fighting seven year olds? Not buying that. Second, religious fundementalists aren't 'created' by the West, they are created via radical Imam's. Thats about as logical as 'gitmo is a recruiting tool' when in fact the only people 'recruited' are liberal airheads HERE. but we'll be leaving soon. Owe-bama's poll numbers are collapsing, and despite his bullshit about a one term President, his ego requires he win a second term at any cost. He'll pull em out to pacify the left, irregardless of the situation there long enough before the DNC Convention so he can crow to the far leftwingers at that Convention. It won't get him reelected, it will only keep him from losing 49 states ala Mondale in 1984.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
We're fighting seven year olds? Not buying that. Where did I say that? You don't/can't understand that "infidel" (their viewpoint) troops occupying Muslim lands and installing "infidel" culture is a recruiting tool for the Taliban amongst fundie Muslims all over the world? Second, religious fundementalists aren't 'created' by the West, they are created via radical Imam's. Yeah,in this context,they ARE being created by the west. You don't think the fundie religious leaders ain't using this "infidel occupation" are a recruiting tool?
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
They were 'creating them' as you put it, for hundreds of years. See Barbary Pirates, and the rationalizations for the Muslim attacks, enslavement, and slaughtering of US flagged ships. It hasn't changed since then, its literally 'word for word'. The Taliban was saying the exact same things they are today, as they were on 9/10/01. We're the 'great satan' that must be destroyed by any and all means. Do they point to a dead body and say 'see, this is why we fight the infidels!' Yep. Before we went in and PRODUCED THE DEAD INFIDEL, they pointed a BOOK and said 'this is why we must kill the Infidels!' and gave them the same training they do today, updated to account for the reality of current combat ops. We've been there seven years. Hence 'seven year olds, huh?'. Fact is, we've killed thousands, and seriously disrupted their ability to offer nation/state overt support to more sophisticated organizations like al Qeada. My view is kill as many as we can while in the neighborhood, and get out.
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#43. To: sneakypete (#25)
#44. To: mininggold (#29)
That wasn't nervous laughter, it was mocking laughter.
#45. To: no gnu taxes, Badeye, Fred Mertz (#34)
Fred's gay?
#46. To: Ibluafartsky (#45)
#47. To: Badeye (#37)
I'll take 'Ridiculous things that end military careers for $500, Alex!'
#48. To: GarySpFC (#39)
That one guy took up a firing position with the RPG behind the corner of the building. Two, maybe three, had AK's.
#49. To: sneakypete (#47)
#50. To: Ibluafartsky (#45)
#51. To: mininggold (#0)
#52. To: Abu el Banat (#46)
Okay asshole Yukon.
#53. To: Ibluafartsky (#52)
#54. To: Badeye (#53)
Bottom line is once that guy is kneeling and peeking around the corner with a RPG its a live fire situation, in the specific circumstances of Iraq on that date.
#55. To: Badeye (#53)
Bottom line is once that guy is kneeling and peeking around the corner with a RPG its a live fire situation, in the specific circumstances of Iraq on that date.
#56. To: Badeye (#42)
Don't hold your breath, I'm still waiting for these clowns to admit Murtha was a lying piece of shit about Haditha.
#57. To: sneakypete (#55)
Badeye,none of them knew about the Apache. It was hovering off in the distance.
#58. To: Badeye (#57)
#59. To: sneakypete (#58)
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#60. To: sneakypete (#58)
You obviously not only don't know anything,you don't even suspect very much.
#61. To: Boofer (#60)
And yes, I'm familiar with the capabilities of the Apache, and the newest variant, the Longbow. Yep, they can kill tanks, apc's, various ground installations from more than 2 miles away. The range of the Hellfire missile is several times that actually.
#62. To: Badeye (#60)
#63. To: sneakypete (#62)
This IS the type of thing that kills our troops because it creates new enemies. THAT is where your viewpoint fails you.
#64. To: Fred Mertz, badeye (#63)
Amen petey.
#65. To: sneakypete (#62)
This IS the type of thing that kills our troops because it creates new enemies. THAT is where your viewpoint fails you.
#66. To: mininggold, Fred Mertz (#64)
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Badeye's apparently just speaking from his own personal experience.
#67. To: All (#0)
#68. To: war (#66)
Yepper...after all he did spend all of those dark nights in the coal mines of the Indian Ocean waiting for the dig order...
#69. To: Badeye (#65)
I value our troops lives over any others in another country. Always will. Some might think thats 'cold'. I'm okay with that too.
#70. To: sneakypete (#69)
#71. To: mininggold (#67)
The camera case "contents".
#72. To: GarySpFC (#71)
Nobody in the after action report said anything about an RPG being in a camera case.
#73. To: Badeye (#65)
I value our troops lives over any others in another country. Always will. Some might think thats 'cold'. I'm okay with that too.
#74. To: sneakypete (#69)
#75. To: go65 (#73)
#76. To: Badeye (#74)
The problem is we'll be right back there in a decade because the Afghan government isn't any stronger than it was at the end of the Soviet occupation.
#77. To: sneakypete (#76)
#78. To: Badeye (#77)
The problem, as you know, is the religeous fundementalists known as the Taliban, and those enamoured of al Qaeda. Few more months of killing these goat fuckers, and then we leave.
#79. To: sneakypete (#78)
#80. To: Badeye (#79)
#81. To: sneakypete (#80)
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