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Title: Neo Cons Defend Massacre Of Iraqi Journalists, Children
Source: prisonplanet.com
URL Source: [None]
Published: Apr 6, 2010
Author: Paul Joseph Watson
Post Date: 2010-04-06 14:58:18 by mininggold
Keywords: On Bush
Views: 21855
Comments: 81

Neo Cons Defend Massacre Of Iraqi Journalists, Children

Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet.com Tuesday, April 6, 2010

Bloodthirsty neo-cons who would defend barbecuing Arab babies on the White House lawn if they were told it was part of the “war on terror” are disgracefully scrambling to defend a shocking video released by Wikileaks which shows U.S. Apache helicopters massacring Iraqi journalists and children in Baghdad while laughing about it.

“The newly released video of the Baghdad attacks was recorded on one of two Apache helicopters hunting for insurgents on 12 July 2007,” reports the Guardian. “Among the dead were a 22-year-old Reuters photographer, Namir Noor-Eldeen, and his driver, Saeed Chmagh, 40. The Pentagon blocked an attempt by Reuters to obtain the video through a freedom of information request. Wikileaks director Julian Assange said his organisation had to break through encryption by the military to view it.”

The video shows the journalists openly walking down the middle of the street with tripods and video cameras while talking to other Iraqis and preparing to set up filming.

Claiming the men are carrying RPG rocket grenade launchers, the Apache pilots indiscriminately open fire on the group, before firing again at people who attempt to rescue the dying men. The rescuers’ van, which is seen to contain at least two children, is blown to pieces as the soldiers laugh and chuckle, “Hahaha. I hit ‘em,” and “Oh yeah, look at those dead bastards.”

“One of the men on the ground, believed to be Chmagh, is seen wounded and trying to crawl to safety. One of the helicopter crew is heard wishing for the man to reach for a gun, even though there is none visible nearby, so he has the pretext for opening fire: “All you gotta do is pick up a weapon.” A van draws up next to the wounded man and Iraqis climb out. They are unarmed and start to carry the victim to the vehicle in what would appear to be an attempt to get him to hospital. One of the helicopters opens fire with armour-piercing shells. “Look at that. Right through the windshield,” says one of the crew. Another responds with a laugh. Sitting behind the windscreen were two children who were wounded.”

Shortly after, a U.S. Humvee drives over one of the dead bodies. “I think they just drove over a body,” one of the pilots says, while chuckling.

The video arrives in the same week it was revealed that U.S. special forces dug bullets out of victims following a botched raid in Afghanistan and then lied to their superiors about the incident in an effort to cover-up the murder of innocent civilians – two pregnant women, a teenage girl, a police officer and his brother.

As the following clip highlights, this latest horror is merely the most recent in a long chain of videos cataloging the unreasonable and unprovoked abuse and brutality innocent Iraqis have been subjected to since the March 2003 invasion.

Watch the massacre clip in full below.

Some apologists, people like CFR stooge Brett H. McGurk, have blamed “fog of war” for the attack, while acknowledging the tragedy of the incident, but others have shamefully blamed the very people who were slaughtered for the entire incident.

Despite the fact that U.S. military admits that none of the men were carrying rocket launchers, Hot Air writer Ed Morrissey claims the Iraqis were gunned down because they were aiming RPG’s at U.S. troops. “It’s difficult to imagine any other purpose for an RPG launcher at that time and place. That’s exactly the kind of threat that US airborne forces were tasked to detect and destroy, which is why the gunships targeted and shot all of the members of the group,” Morrissey absurdly states, completely lying about the nature of the entire incident.

As the Guardian report clarifies, “One of the helicopter crew is heard saying that one of the group is shooting. But the video shows there is no shooting or even pointing of weapons. The men are standing around, apparently unperturbed.”

The men are clearly walking openly and casually down the middle of the street, and are at ease with the fact that there are two Apache attack helicopters hovering over them. If they were preparing to attack the choppers or U.S. troops nearby, they would hardly be strolling around talking on mobile phones and chatting, they would be hunkered down amidst nearby buildings. The men are clearly at ease and not in an attack posture – as is born out by the fact that they were journalists preparing to film interviews.

Or as Wikileaks director Julian Assange puts it, “Why would anyone be so relaxed with two Apaches if someone was carrying an RPG and that person was an enemy of the United States?”

Unsatisfied with just running defense for people who massacre innocents and kids while laughing about it, Morrissey then has the temerity to justify the subsequent slaughter of the brave individuals who tried to help the dying victims.

“Another accusation is that US forces fired on and killed rescue workers attempting to carry one of the journalists out of the area. However, the video clearly shows that the vehicle in question bore no markings of a rescue vehicle at all, and the men who ran out of the van to grab the wounded man wore no uniforms identifying themselves as such. Under any rules of engagement, and especially in a terrorist hot zone like Baghdad in 2007, that vehicle would properly be seen as support for the terrorists that had just been engaged and a legitimate target for US forces. While they didn’t grab weapons before getting shot, the truth is that the gunships didn’t give them the chance to try, either — which is exactly what they’re trained to do. They don’t need to wait until someone gets hold of the RPG launcher and fires it at the gunship or at the reinforcements that had already begun to approach the scene,” he writes.

Again, Morrissey’s entire twisted logic is based around the premise that the men were carrying RPG rocket launchers, which is confirmed and admitted not to be the case by Major Shawn Turner, a spokesman for U.S. Central Command. Claiming the Apache pilots mistook the cameras for RPG rockets is one thing, but Morrissey continues to claim that the cameras were RPG’s in order to justify the slaughter, despite the fact that it’s fully confirmed that the men were not carrying RPG’s – they were journalists with tripods and long lens cameras.

“A military investigation concluded that the ‘RPG’ was really a long-range photography lens and the camera looked like an AK-47,” reports Sky News.

Morrissey’s characterization of the victims as the “terrorists that had just been engaged” is also completely at odds with the fact that the men were civilians, journalists and children.

Illustrating the level of denial and delusion that neo-cons wrap themselves in when acting as apologists for war crimes, one Hot Air reader even goes so far as to claim that the entire video is fake, despite the fact that the U.S. military admits it is genuine and has spent years trying to block its release.

“This has all the hallmarks of some bullshit Hollywood production. The soldiers sound scripted, the Bradley Fighting vehicles look inauthentic,” a poster named Cr4sh Dummy ludicrously claims.

“My conclusions is that (t)his is simply and unequivocally a viral video for some bullshit antiwar movie based on this event,” the commenter blathers.

Again, the U.S. military itself admits that the video is genuine, but that’s not enough for the tragically retarded “fans” of Michelle Malkin. This reminds us of when Malkin hysterically claimed that a video showing U.S. soldiers throwing a puppy off a clip was a hoax and that the dog was a stuffed toy.

“Watch the clip closely. The puppy doesn’t move. It’s clear to me that it’s either dead or a stuffed toy. The sound effects of a dog yapping seem to have been dubbed in,” wrote Malkin.

The soldier who threw the puppy off the cliff, Lance Cpl. David Motari, was later kicked out of the Corps, and a second Marine involved was disciplined. Malkin never retracted her ridiculous claim that the dog was a stuffed toy.

In another Malkin-linked blog piece, the writer recycles the lie that “the video shows armed insurgents engaging or about to engage US troops,” when it shows the exact opposite, as every analyst who has watched it agrees, and the author all but praises the murdering Apache pilots while attacking Wikileaks for releasing the video as, “Beyond stupid, they’re evil.”

Apparently, ripping innocent men who have families and children limb from limb for no good reason is perfectly acceptable, but releasing a film of the incident is “evil”. What pit of hell did these monsters climb out of?

Directing his vitriol at the brave van drivers who attempted to save their dying loved ones, the blogger snaps, “You are stupid. Innocent, but stupid. You’re asking to be killed.”

The rest of the article attempts to convince the reader that cameras and tripods were in fact RPG’s, when as we have exhaustively stressed was admitted not to be the case by the U.S. military itself. The victims were Reuters photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen and his driver who also worked for Reuters news agency – they were not RPG carrying terrorists.

“Military spokesman Turner said that during the engagement, the helicopter mistook a camera for a rocket-propelled grenade launcher,” reports the Mail.

There were never any RPG’s, yet neo-cons are still trying to make the case that the slaughter was justified because the men were carrying RPG’s. The scale of this deception knows no bounds.

The vulgarity in seeing Malkin and her ilk defend these murderers is underlined by the fact that the soldiers immensely enjoyed killing these innocent men, laughing and chuckling all the way, and as Assange points out, “The behaviour of the pilots is like a computer game. When Saeed is crawling, clearly unable to do anything, their response is: come on buddy, we want to kill you, just pick up a weapon … It appears to be a desire to get a higher score, or a higher number of kills.”

Amidst the myriad of obfuscation and denial, neo-con apologists have no come-back for this blatant barbarism. Blowing up vans containing little kids with enjoyment cannot be explained away by Malkin’s bloodthirsty readers, but judging by the comments in response to the article, many of them would indeed support barbecuing Arab babies on the White House lawn to ’send a message that we are getting tough with the terrorists’ – to these thugs, the means justifies the ends.

Neo-Cons will go to any lengths to defend and downplay wanton acts of cruelty and barbarism. To them, “supporting the troops” means defending people who slaughter kids and murder little puppies. These people are truly devoid of any human emotion. That’s why they have to invent convoluted theories and outright lies in a desperate effort to explain away something that fits every definition of a war crime.

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#1. To: mininggold (#0)

Apparently, ripping innocent men who have families and children limb from limb for no good reason is perfectly acceptable, but releasing a film of the incident is “evil”. What pit of hell did these monsters climb out of?

High praise to WikiLeaks for getting its hands on this videotape.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-04-06   15:09:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#0)

And you clowns think Owe-bama's predator attacks are just killing Islamic Jihadist of various stripes?

Bookmarked this thread, cause eventually the video of whats been going on in the last FIFTEEN MONTHS, not to mention between now and 'then' will come out.

I'm going to enjoy feeding the posts back to you. Really enjoy it.

Its a war. There hasn't been a 'war' in human history that didn't have casualties among the host civilian population, any more than there's been one that didn't result in variations of 'friendly fire' deaths.

Doesn't matter if you were swinging a battle axe in the middle of a mideval killing ground, or a modern day Apache helicopter strike.

Its regretable, to be sure. But you all need to grow the fuck up. You sure don't bitch when Islamic fundies bomb pizza parlors in Tel Aviv.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-06   15:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Badeye (#2)

But you all need to grow the fuck up.

Fuck you, you little putz.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-04-06   15:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Fred Mertz (#3)

What? No whining about spelling and grammar, oh outted one?

(laughing)

Fuck you too, sweetie. You're just pissed I've handed your ass to you twice in the past seven days.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-06   15:23:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Boofer, A K A Stone (#4)

...oh outted one?

What do you mean by "outed", Boof?

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-06   15:43:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: mininggold (#0)

While the gun-toting teabaggers are celebrating this glorious victory, they ought to keep in mind that the same country that did this in Iraq could certainly do the same thing here, to them.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-04-06   15:47:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Boofer (#2)

Bookmarked this thread, cause eventually the video of whats been going on in the last FIFTEEN MONTHS, not to mention between now and 'then' will come out.

Going on where, Boofer?

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-06   15:48:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: war, badeye (#7)

Going on where, Boofer?

....And why is it being hidden?

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-06   20:24:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Badeye (#2)

Its a war. There hasn't been a 'war' in human history that didn't have casualties among the host civilian population, any more than there's been one that didn't result in variations of 'friendly fire' deaths.

The laughing is a bit hard to get around.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-04-06   20:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Badeye (#4)

What? No whining about spelling and grammar, oh outted one?

What do you mean I'm outed?

Are you going to break the rules here?

You'll be gone before Derby Day, you friggin' idjit.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-04-06   22:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Fred Mertz (#10)

you outted yourself to anyone that wants to bother, moron. Just as the others did. As I noted the other night, when you post as much as WE ALL DO, it doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes.

The only time I REPEATED what was done by OTHERS was when Sally didn't live up to her role as a host/moderator. I've never attempted to 'run a background check' on any poster in my life. I've been informed of ID's many many times. As you can see, my anti groupie has quite a few posters that despise him, for just one example. But he differs in he has forum owners that do as well, and that was his downfall when it came to being 'outted'.

You? As noted previously, you gave yourself away. As I explained. Personally, I don't give a shit who you are. Why would I?

I've never called anyone's place of business, I've never written evaluations of a forum on Amazon, I've never called a county tax office. I've never posted anyone's picture in a forum once, let alone dozens of times.

And as quite a few in this forum know, I've been asked to reveal what I do know about ID's of posters here. And I've patiently explained why I won't do that here, or anywhere else. It has nothing to do with 'legal issues' THERE ARE NONE. We all signed up to a public forum. There is no 'expectation of privacy' under US Law. I specifically checked when anti groupies was ranting about suing me, and surprise surprise, no lawyer would ever file a ridiculous suit based on nothing across state lines. For the very obvious legal and financial realities.

So no, Freddie. You have the same disease so many kooks and cranks (pegged you as a crack a decade ago at FR btw). You think your 'worth it'. mininglead is a great example of this. You want to feel 'worth it'.

You aren't.Even if there was a way to do it, and there isn't without THE HOST or a mod/admin providing the basic information, you aren't worth it. Its not about price, thats mere pennies to be honest. Its simply about not being worth it.

I am, apparently...(laughing). And its amusing. Nada God Damn thing has resulted from the basement dwellers rants, threats, etc. You know why, Freddie?

Cause they literally are BASEMENT DWELLERS. Not 'literally' but figuratively. The internet gives them a sense of 'worth'. Just like kidding themselves they see 'the conspiracy theory nobody else sees!' (pick a kook and theory, you see this all the time on the internet).

Hell, when I'm not amusing myself, I only feel a sense of pity. But none of it lasts beyond the moment I log off. Thats not the case for the kooks, they dwell on it forever. As my tagline notes, and gets validated daily here.

Any other questions, butt lips?

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-06   23:43:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Badeye (#11)

you outted yourself to anyone that wants to bother, moron.

Chuckles....guess that's what fredjerx gets for posting sub 20 word posts for so long huh?

He must be related to LP's old clown floyd character....I'm almost positive.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. And the latest Eisteinian revelation from LF's resident Barack poodleboy...AKA Admiral Dwarf who has "shot at living things"...."Yeah, and Oswald was a right winger, too. He was... war posted on 2010-03-22 20:12:36

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-04-06   23:49:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Fred Mertz (#10)

Oh, and btw, I don't care about being 'banned', I don't suck the forum owners ass anywhere. I post what I think. Don't like it, tough shit. Forum owner doesn't want me here, the account is theirs to delete. I abide by the rules of the given forum. When the host doesn't ENFORCE THEIR RULES, after repeated requests, and a final clear warning, I respond 'in kind'. As I did at Sally's storm front lite.

YOU care about being banned, thats why FR sticks in your craw a DECADE LATER. I don't, cause its just the fucking internet, Freddie.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-06   23:53:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Badeye (#11)

Its not about price, thats mere pennies to be honest. Its simply about not being worth it.

LOL!!!

Ouch...that jerked jerx's choke chain so hard it made me wince:)...actually not....it make me guffaw......

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. And the latest Eisteinian revelation from LF's resident Barack poodleboy...AKA Admiral Dwarf who has "shot at living things"...."Yeah, and Oswald was a right winger, too. He was... war posted on 2010-03-22 20:12:36

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-04-06   23:53:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Badeye, all, *SOCOM* (#2) (Edited)

The video for this post has already been posted on LP, and I am attempting to post it here. I have bad news for the antiwar crowd.

I have reviewed the video many times.

www.youtube.com/watch? http://v=5rXPrfnU3G0&feature=player_embedded">www.youtube.com/watch? v=5...0&feature=player_embedded

Firstly, the two photographers are the individuals carrying bags and one might have a camera. They are shown walking well in front of the gunmen.

Secondly, there are two men near the telephone pole at 3:40 to 4:00. Note carefully the man in the white shirt. The weapon he is carrying is the RPG seen later near the corner of the house. Look at 03:52...he's resting the RPG on his foot...would a cameraman rest a long range lens like that on their foot? He is also walking with one or two individuals carrying AK-47s.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-07   1:43:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Boofer, A K A Stone, Fred Mertz (#13)

Oh, and btw, I don't care about being 'banned',

Oh bullshit Boof...you still whine like a bitch about Goldi banning you and you whined like a bitch about lucianne banning you and you whined like a bitch about Bill banning you.

Look around this place, asshole. Nobody who is anyone here likes you.

But the point is...why in the fuck does it MATTER who Fred is? It has no bearing on anything. Just because your own Asperger's over compensates for your inferiority complex and thus unveils your need to reveal who you are when no one really gives a shit it doesn't mean that we ALL HAVE TO SUFFER from your pathology.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-07   7:30:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GarySpFC (#15)

Go fuck yourself dickwad...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-07   7:30:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Boofer, Fred Mertz (#11) (Edited)

As you can see, my anti groupie has quite a few posters that despise him, for just one example. But he differs in he has forum owners that do as well, and that was his downfall when it came to being 'outted'.

Most everyone here has seen our emails from 2002 and 2003, Boofer. Including the one in which you confess to being Monocle as a ruse at LP which revealed you as a liar to Neil about thinking that you needed two accounts. Everyone has seen the links of you revealing your own name and company at LP. Most everyone here has seen our FR exchange too.

You can write as many 500 word posts as you want to. They don't change reality. Everyone here KNOWS that you're lying. And the wonderful thing is I didn't have to do a thing. It was all done with YOUR OWN emails to me and YOUE OWN posts at LP.

(So here I sit roaring with laughter at your being an asshole yet again.)

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-04-07   7:39:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Fred Mertz (#1)

High praise to WikiLeaks for getting its hands on this videotape.

Fred,the cold hard facts are that the reporters were embedded with insurgents setting up a ambush,and they were killed because of this. Reporters that are embedded with US forces also get killed in insurgent attacks. That's the sort of thing that happens to you when you mix with people involved in combat operations.

IMHO,there was no reason or excuse for shooting up the van. Yes,the van driver probably WAS a insurgent fighting against US forces himself,and was trying to get the wounded man out of the area in order to keep him from being arrested. His children were wounded because he was fool enough to put them in danger while attempting to rescue a wounded insurgent.

Having said that,they could have shot up the street in front and behind the van to keep it from moving. They had ground troops on the way that could have sorted them out,and the helicopter crews knew ground troops were on the way.

This shooting people from a mile away crap has GOT to stop. It's one thing to do it to insurgents actively engaged in an attack on US troops,but there is no good reason to just fire up a whole damn street and the houses on it (and a 30mm WILL tear right through a house) to get a half-dozen bad guys that don't even know they are being watched. The helicopter crews could have guided US forces into a ambush position where they might have been able to arrest them without shooting,or kill the actual combatants if they resisted.

I also don't like the gunner begging the wounded guy to pick up a weapon so he has a excuse to shoot him again. Besides the obvious fact that that wounded guy was not about to get up and run away or even mount a effective defense if he had found a weapon,these idiots never heard of gathering intelligence from prisoners? Dead men don't answer questions.

And ALL of this is just in response to this video being posted and does not address the FACT that we shouldn't be there to start with.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-07   8:28:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Badeye (#2)

And you clowns think Owe-bama's predator attacks are just killing Islamic Jihadist of various stripes?

Bookmarked this thread, cause eventually the video of whats been going on in the last FIFTEEN MONTHS, not to mention between now and 'then' will come out.

I'm going to enjoy feeding the posts back to you. Really enjoy it.

Now that it is Bush 4.0's war,you are suddenly against it?

Maybe I'm wrong,but I don't remember you finding this sort of thing offensive when it was Bush 3.0's war.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-07   8:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete (#20)

I still support it. No hypocrisy here. If you can find any comment of mine saying different, cut and paste it, sneaky.

I'm just noting the hypocrisy of those that WERE AGAINST IT.

Which is why I bookmarked this particular thread. Funny, I don't see the kooks chanting 'Owe-bama is Hitler!' outside of the Whitehouse these days....which is my point with the above.

They were loudly against it, before they were silent....

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-07   8:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: sneakypete (#19)

The video shows a RPG. The facts show they were insurgents.

And thats why outside of 'kookville' this video is meaningless to the MSM.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-07   8:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Skip Intro (#6)

While the gun-toting teabaggers are celebrating this glorious victory, they ought to keep in mind that the same country that did this in Iraq could certainly do the same thing here, to them.

Videos like this serve the purpose of making the unacceptable acceptable.

It's called "conditioning".

Today it is insurgents Iraq shot to death because a few are carrying rifles.

Tomorrow it may be "insurgents" in West Virginia that are shot to death because they are carrying rifles.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-07   8:48:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: lucysmom (#9)

The laughing is a bit hard to get around.

Some people laugh to relieve stress/tension.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-07   8:51:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: war, GarySpFC (#17)

Go fuck yourself dickwad

Yeah,BOY! That's the way to refute him! How can he possibly counter "logic" like that?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-07   8:58:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: sneakypete (#19)

The helicopter crew did ask and receive permission prior to shooting up the van, which IMHO puts the blame back at command.

That said, shooting the wounded man was wrong.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-07   9:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete (#25)

(chuckle)

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-07   9:25:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: GarySpFC (#26)

Yep.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-07   9:25:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete (#24)

Some people laugh to relieve stress/tension.

That wasn't nervous laughter, it was mocking laughter.

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-07   11:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Badeye (#22)

The video shows a RPG. The facts show they were insurgents.

ONE guy had a RPG. They shot 12-15 people.

Maybe they should kill everybody in the city because that one guy had a RPG and a couple of others may have had AK's?

You DO know that Iraqui citizens are allowed by law to have a machine gun in their houses for self-defense,right?

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-07   11:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: GarySpFC (#15)

Secondly, there are two men near the telephone pole at 3:40 to 4:00. Note carefully the man in the white shirt. The weapon he is carrying is the RPG seen later near the corner of the house. Look at 03:52...he's resting the RPG on his foot...would a cameraman rest a long range lens like that on their foot? He is also walking with one or two individuals carrying AK-47s.

Yes a cameraman would, and then you have to ask yourself the same question, would an insurgent rest an RPG against his foot?

If what you say is true then why was the tape so hard to obtain?

mininggold  posted on  2010-04-07   11:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GarySpFC (#26)

The helicopter crew did ask and receive permission prior to shooting up the van, which IMHO puts the blame back at command.

The guilt is shared. You know as well as I that they could have worded their request differently and gotten a different answer.

Suppose,for example that they had said,"We have one gomer with a RPG and a couple that may have AK's,but there are maybe 8-10 unarmed innocents close to them. Do we have permission to shoot?"

Somehow I doubt it. As always,the devil is in the details.

I think ALL these chopper crews should be forced to land at a site where another chopper crew has shot up some people with the 30mm's to see the end result of their "cool video game" before they are ever allowed to be in a position where they request permission to pull a trigger. This shooting people from a mile or two away crap and seeing it on a video screen is too much like playing a computer game. They need to see how real it really is to keep them from getting too casual about it.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-07   11:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: mininggold (#29)

Some people laugh to relieve stress/tension.

That wasn't nervous laughter, it was mocking laughter.

If you think there is a difference,you have never been in that type of situation.

"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)

sneakypete  posted on  2010-04-07   11:42:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Badeye (#11)

you outted yourself

Fred's gay?

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-04-07   11:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: sneakypete (#30)

Another guy had a AK-47.

And yep, I'm aware of Iraqi laws regarding firearms. You aware of the Iraqi laws regarding insurgents using firearms?

I am. Bottom line is if you wander the streets with insurgents, as the Reuters reporters did, you might end up as collateral damage. They could have marked themselves as many have, and in doing so it would have been visible, and the attack not authorized.

Check out other stories about this, and its very selective editing.

Its shaping up to be another Haditha. The only thing missing is the dead asshole Congressman that didn't have the guts to apologize before he fell over dead, Murtha.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-07   11:49:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: no gnu taxes (#34)

No, just very very thin skinned...(laughing)

I've handed him his ass three times in the past ten days on multiple topics...and his response is either 'your spelling and grammar irks me!' or 'fuck you you little putz'.

You can't make this shit up.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-07   11:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: sneakypete (#32)

Suppose,for example that they had said,"We have one gomer with a RPG

I'll take 'Ridiculous things that end military careers for $500, Alex!'

They'd be awaiting discharge, after going through mandatory 'sensitivity training' as you know, sneaky.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-04-07   11:57:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: mininggold (#31)

Yes a cameraman would, and then you have to ask yourself the same question, would an insurgent rest an RPG against his foot?

Firstly, the two photographers are walking way in front of the armed men, and are clearly identified in the video as the two photographers. You are clearly wrong about the man holding the RPG.

Secondly, my daughter and son-in-law have a photograph and video business. My daughter is one of the top photographers in the Midwest, maybe the nation. Camera lens have improved drastically since the days of 1200mm. Now a good 80 to 200 varable lens is more than sufficent, and especially for a combat photographer. It's nonsense to say the RPG looks like a camera lens. Lens like that are no longer used for camera men who move about.

Thirdly, from a combat photographer with 20 years and 4 wars experience.

"I never once set the shutter speed dial to "A" as during that time frame. I simply didn't trust the concept of automatic exposure. Stupid? Maybe, but I just wasn't programmed for auto exposure then. I used the match needle for every shot. By experience I learned to adjust exposure to suit my requirements, i.e., metering camouflage uniforms will yield about a 1/2 stop to 1 full stop of overexposure and you must compensate for that. I had an assortment of six Nikkor lenses: 24mm f/2.8, 55mm f/2.8 Micro, 105mm f/2.8 Micro, 35-70mm f/3.5 zoom, 200mm f/4, and 300mm f/4.5. The telephotos were rarely used on combat operations as they were too bulky and their field of view was too restricted. I also rarely used the 35-70mm f/3.5 zoom, but this was a function of my unfamiliarity with it. I sometimes carried the 105mm f/2.8 Micro, but the two most useful pieces of glass were the 24mm f/2.8 and the 55mm f/2.8. Their speed was more than adequate, as there are usually more important considerations during night ops than taking pictures. The flash unit stayed in the barracks. On long operations when I anticipated a lot of humping in the bush I usually carried only the F3 HP body with MD-4 motor drive and the 24mm and 55mm lenses. Whatever room there was to spare in my LBE (Load Bearing Equipment) was devoted to batteries and film. While I found all of the Nikkor lenses of this era to be optically superb, the 24mm and 55mm lenses proved to be the most useful for the kind of up tight photography that brings combat right into the viewer's face."

If what you say is true then why was the tape so hard to obtain?

Many things are hard to obtain under the freedom of information act, but that is a totally different issue.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-07   12:15:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: sneakypete (#30)

ONE guy had a RPG. They shot 12-15 people.

Maybe they should kill everybody in the city because that one guy had a RPG and a couple of others may have had AK's?

That one guy took up a firing position with the RPG behind the corner of the building. Two, maybe three, had AK's.

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-07   12:19:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: All, *SOCOM* (#39)

Okay, I found something else that should shut some mouths.

Title: Cleverly-edited video becomes anti-military infomercial for world's dumbest blogger and his traditional posse of useful idiots.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/04/cleverly-edited-video-becomes-anti.html

Go see pictures

In their most recent attempt to undermine the American military, the fulminating confluence of legacy media and leftist bloggers have seized upon a new report from USCENTCOM.

The report details an investigation into a 2007 incident that led to the deaths of two Reuters journalists and injuries to two Iraqi children.

A gun-camera video documenting the incident was edited before it was posted on WikiLeaks to incite progressive outrage.
The editors provide plenty of fact-free editorializing and helpfully title the piece "Collateral Murder". A more accurate name would be "How Not to Use Journalists and Children as Human Shields."
In the video, a group of military-aged males carrying (at minimum) two RPG launchers, multiple RPG rounds, and an AK-47 are, if not directly involved in a firefight with an approaching Bradley armored vehicle, in the very midst of the fight.
At the direction of ground forces, a nearby Apache takes out the group using a 30mm. Minutes later, as the Bradely pulls up, the two dead Reuters reporters and two injured children are discovered. They evacuate the kids for medical treatment and, all the while, they are under small arms fire.
Yes, there was a huge cover-up, which is why CENTCOM released the results of the entire freaking investigation, only to have it cleverly edited into an infomercial and fundraising vehicle for the enemies of America.<-Go see link here.
"From the witness statements and the Apache gun-camera film, I determined that the engagement in which the Iraqi children were injured and the two Reuters News employees were killed began at 1020 hours... Bravo Company 2-16 soldiers were within 100 meters of the location of a group of armed insurgents and two individuals carrying cameras when Apache helicopters engaged the insurgents with 30mm gunfire. The engagement concluded with the evacuation of casualties at 1041 hours."
Exhibit J:
"While at this objective, I enusred that security on the roof top were maintained of 360 degrees. We ddi a brief SSE at the site due to the fact that one AIF member was lying on a RPG round and all individuals were on their stomachs. The risk of being booby-trapped was the reason for not touching the bodies... while on site we were under constant small arms fire from the east. Medical treatment was rendered to injured AIF. EOD blew up RPG launchers, RPG rockets and AK-47s."
Exhibit K:
"3-4 truck engaged on AIF carrying an RPG south of the [objective]. It is undetermined whether we hit the target. We also heard small arms to the east where Crazy Horse also engaged targets."

Exhibit L:
"While on scene, Crazy Horse (the Apaches) engaged a house to the east where people with weapons were observed going in. There was also an RPG round down in place by EOD... I personally did not see any dead or wounded who were not military-aged males."
Exhibit M:
"I did not see any evidence that any of the dead or injured were non- combatants. All were in the vicinity of weapons (AK-47's/RPGs) and there no visible press passes, or othe rindicators that they were non-combatants."
Exhibit N: "No, I believe all were involved [were combatants]. There were two RPG launchers, multiple rounds for them and an AK-47 on scene. Some of the males were described by Hotel 2-6 as the ones having pop shots at his PLT all day. All males were found within 20 meter radius to the weapons on the ground. Between the radio traffic from Crazy Horse before and during the engagement as well as what I took note of on scene, I believe that all males involved were not in any way non-combatants."

OBAMA HAS SPENT MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER PERSON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

GarySpFC  posted on  2010-04-07   13:04:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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