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Title: Time to impeach Bush
Source: shns.com
URL Source: http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=ERBE-02-20-06
Published: Feb 23, 2006
Author: BONNIE ERBE
Post Date: 2006-02-23 23:41:32 by Coral Snake
Keywords: impeach, Time, Bush
Views: 6792
Comments: 69

Time to impeach Bush

By BONNIE ERBE Scripps Howard News Service 20-FEB-06

Those blasphemously "liberal" media outlets have once again deprived the American public of widespread coverage of nothing less than startling poll results. The non-partisan polling firm Zogby International last month found that by a margin of 52 percent to 43 percent, Americans want Congress to consider impeaching President Bush "if he wiretapped American citizens without a judge's approval."

Well, there's no "if" about it anymore. The president approved warrantless wiretaps in 2002. Two years later, during a campaign appearance in Buffalo, N.Y. he volunteered he'd done nothing of the kind. That's called breaking the law and lying about it.

Yes, the poll results have been reported on a few Web sites. But they have not exactly been trumpeted by the Blow Hard Boys on the Fox News Channel, nor even "front-paged" on the New York Times. Nor have they appeared as the lead story on any of the evening newscasts. From the right to the left, this poll has been ignored _ as has a recent Gallup poll showing a majority of Americans consider the Bush presidency to be a failure. Why? Because it's seen as risky.

Media inattention to the growing American pro-impeachment sentiment is not a partisan issue. Reasonable, honest Republicans such as Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., have criticized Bush's wiretapping "sans" court approval as a violation of the law and basic civil liberties.

Former Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., now a conservative TV commentator, also sees the president's actions as law-breaking. Conservative legal analyst Bruce Fein, who worked in the Reagan Justice Department, wrote in The Washington Times that Bush should face "possible impeachment" if the practice is not stopped.

Personally, I do not find illegal wiretapping to be the worst offense committed against our nation by this president. I'd rate purposefully destructive federal overspending as the most egregious transgression. Did you happen to notice last week Treasury Secretary John Snow "informed Congress that he would begin borrowing from the federal employees' retirement fund to avoid exceeding the nation's statutory debt limit of $8.184 trillion"? That, as reported by my Scripps Howard colleague, Dale McFeatters.

I'd rate "tricking" Americans into a costly, deadly, unwinnable war in Iraq and alienating most other nations as second. I'd rate wanton disregard for science and the promotion of so-called junk science _ to wit, global warming is a gossamer concept _ as an excuse for environmental destruction as third. Abramoff-related partisan corruption and the outing of CIA agent Plame would figure in there somewhere. And somewhere lower down the list would come warrantless wiretaps.

But grassroots passion for impeachment prompted by this president's circumvention of Congress and the Constitution is what's driving growing public support. And America's transition from "Bush fan" to "Bush foe" is being ignored by the mainstream media.

Surprisingly, the media did anything but ignore the Republican-led impeachment movement against former President Clinton, even when the public was decidedly more supportive of that president than it is of the current one

In December 1998, after the House voted to send articles of impeachment to the U.S. Senate, 59 percent of Americans told Washington Post/ABC News pollsters they disapproved of the House action. A minority of 40 percent said they favored it. And that followed months and months of nonstop, primetime, mainstream media coverage of Clinton's lie. If anything, the constant chorus of conservative calls for Clinton's ouster coupled with unending coverage of same should have pushed the public into a more solidly pro-impeachment stand. It did not. But the media did not relent. (For the record, I wrote at the time that Clinton should step down.)

Of course, U.S. leadership is rearranged now. Clinton, a Democrat, faced an opposition-led Congress. Even if congressional minority party Democrats could muster the backbone to make a unified call for impeachment hearings, they lack the votes to succeed in either chamber. At least Republicans succeeded in the Republican-controlled House against Clinton, although they ultimately lost in the Republican-controlled Senate.

Where are the oft-denounced "liberal" media on this issue? Truth is, the "liberal" media is and always was a figment of extreme (not mainstream) conservative rhetoric. The corporate media stays where it almost always has been _ to the right of center and shying away from risky topics.

(Bonnie Erbe is a TV host and writes this column for Scripps Howard News Service. E-mail http://bonnieerbe(at)CompuServe.com.)

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#22. To: Mudboy Slim (#14)

    I'm quite familiar with "reality" and it ain't nothing like this Chicken Little/SkyIsFalling KRAP you Buchanan One-Percenters insist on whining about...LOL!!

I'm not a Buchanan voter, Mud.

However, you are clearly delusional.

As I said, if you willfully disregarded reality in other aspects of your life you would be examined by a mental health professional.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-25   22:29:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Mudboy Slim (#14)

What's wrong with Buchanan. He is much more conservative than Bush, wouldn't you agree.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-02-25   22:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#23)

Yeppers.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2006-02-25   22:33:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Mudboy Slim (#17)

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! Some folks simply love misery it seems, and those miserable people love company, I reckon...MUD

Again, you invent a reality that suits your wishes. Like a coked up jumper on the roof of a building somewhere, announcing to horrified spectators below that he can fly..

I am not miserable in any sense of the word. Further, I do not enjoy misery.

Now, want to take a shot at that poll data before your faculties fail you once more?

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-25   22:35:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: continental op (#21)

Thank you...imho, Irving is a NUT, but that oughtn't be criminal. I don't know enough about Gotovina to say whether he is wrongfully-imprisoned or not. But sorry, Rudolph deserves the chair for his crimes.

Regards...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   22:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jhoffa_ (#22)

Good to know we've got a practicing shrink on the Forum...LOL!!

And you've got "Buchanan Voter" stamped on your forehead, dude...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   22:38:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#23)

"What's wrong with Buchanan."

Nothing, I like the guy.

"He is much more conservative than Bush, wouldn't you agree."

Yes...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   22:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jhoffa_ (#25)

"want to take a shot at that poll data"

Why would I? Polls mean absolutely nothing this time of year...the only poll that matters happens in November...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   22:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Mudboy Slim (#29)

Why would I? Polls mean absolutely nothing this time of year...the only poll that matters happens in November...MUD

You mean the Diebold "election". Do you trust electronic voting?

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-02-25   23:05:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone (#30)

Puh-LEASE!! Kerry got his butt whupped fair and square...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   23:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Mudboy Slim (#31)

Puh-LEASE!! Kerry got his butt whupped fair and square...MUD

I don't know that is a fact. How can you know with a hackable voting machine. What is your position on electronic voting machines, such as the diebold machines?

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-02-25   23:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#32)

"What is your position on electronic voting machines, such as the diebold machines?"

I believe there needs to be some sort of paper backup that can be checked for veracity...but no, I don't believe Kerry lost becuz of Diebold fraud, not for an instant...the RATS and the LeftWing Medyuh wouldda screamed bloody murder had there been anything to that allegation.

Regards...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   23:48:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Mudboy Slim (#27)

    And you've got "Buchanan Voter" stamped on your forehead, dude...MUD

No, actually I do not.

Again with the delusion.

Perhaps you should seek help?

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-26   0:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#30)

You're wasting font on this hick.

He's created his own reality and does not wish to part from it.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-26   0:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Mudboy Slim (#29)

    Why would I? Polls mean absolutely nothing this time of year...

On the contrary, this poll means that an estimated 52% of the population wants Dubya impeached if he wire tapped without a court order.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-26   0:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jhoffa_ (#36)

Only nuts believe Dubyuh will be impeached by a GOP-controlled House...therefore, the only way you and the other RAT-crazies are gonna get your wish is if the RATS win back the House this November. My money says that cannot accomplish that feat. In fact, my money says that the GOPers will pick up seats in the House this November.

Dem's the FACTS, Frank...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   1:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: All (#37)

"My money says that THEY--the RATS--cannot accomplish that feat."

DOHHH...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   1:08:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Jhoffa_ (#36)

Hello there, buddy...

"Virginia!!"
(To be sung to Marshall-Tucker Band's "Virginia")

Moved to Virginia thirty years ago...
Came here from Kansas...Captain's brood...
Good Lord...how the days lost track...
Seeking out the Truth's all I knew!!

Our Rebels fought against Oppression...
But our sin was that Slavery is a Crime!!
Folks, I'm in love with Ol' Virginia...
'Cuz I know she'll do what is Right!!

We took a trip to Montana...
Nine months later, Jake was born...
Contemplate the Grace of Him...
Goodness is everywhere...when we're bold!!
World's in a bind...Big Guv'ment's Power's way too great!!
Come, Patriots, look to my Virginia...
You know Tom Jefferson din't live that way!!

Oh, Freedom's rough...responsibility's sublime...
I'm in love with Ol' Virginia...
'Cuz I know she'll do what is Right!! Do what's Right!!

(Mudboy on pennywhistle...BigMan Freakin' it on guitar.)

Hunt fer crabs down south of Sandbridge...
Hiked in the Blue Ridge where God calls home.
"Righteous fools" are free, so we pray...
You understand, "Right can't be Wrong!!"

Richmond-bred twenty years...
For all these years, she ain't always done right...
State's history's what intrigues me...
'Cuz I know we're bold and we're right!!
Yes, I know our souls're ragin' bright!!

Mudboy Slim (25 February 2006)

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   1:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Mudboy Slim (#26)

WEll I dunno if Gotovina is innocent or not, but I do know that U.N. has no right to hold and try him...

As for Rudolph, in my book, he's a hero. Could you do what he did?

Free David Irving!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Gotovina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Eric Rudolph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

continental op  posted on  2006-02-26   7:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: continental op (#40)

"U.N. has no right to hold and try him..."

I'm in 100% agreement...

"As for Rudolph, in my book, he's a hero. Could you do what he did?"

Rudolph's no hero, and I'm as pro-life as they come. Terrorists like that undermine the efforts of honest, good-hearted folks fighting to save the lives of the Unborn.

Regards...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   11:30:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Mudboy Slim, continental op (#41)

Rudolph was wrong to bomb the olympics. So he is no hero. I could care less who died at his abortion clinic bombing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-02-26   11:31:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#42)

"I could care less who died at his abortion clinic bombing."

While I can understand the urge to snuff out the lives of doctors who are snuffing out so much innocent life, I believe abortion clinic bombings undermine our efforts to minimize the carnage. This remains a battle for the minds and hearts, and murderous zealots scare away folks who migfht otherwise join our efforts.

Regards...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   11:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Mudboy Slim (#37)

    Only nuts believe Dubyuh will be impeached by a GOP-controlled House...

But it doesn't say that.. Not at all.

This poll is a reflection of public sentiment, as well as a position on Administration policy.

Hypothetical political maneuvers are not mentioned.

In short, it means a majority think Bush sucks ass, and deserves to be fired, if he wiretapped without a court order.

I'd say that's a pretty strong statement.

I'd also say it suggests that Dubya has returned to the "WOT" well too many times.

It's running dry. Wagging the Osama is grating on peoples nerves. Apparently this issue isn't the eternal passcard the Administration had envisioned or hoped it would be.

That's what I see reflected here.. and it's not good for the war mongers. Not at all.

Remember Nixon? Congress had to shut him down.

Dubya may suffer the same fate.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-26   12:01:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Mudboy Slim (#43)

"I could care less who died at his abortion clinic bombing."

While I can understand the urge to snuff out the lives of doctors who are snuffing out so much innocent life, I believe abortion clinic bombings undermine our efforts to minimize the carnage. This remains a battle for the minds and hearts, and murderous zealots scare away folks who migfht otherwise join our efforts.

Regards...MUD

How to you jive that position with your position on Iraq?

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-02-26   12:01:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Mudboy Slim (#43)

    While I can understand the urge to snuff out the lives of doctors who are snuffing out so much innocent life, I believe abortion clinic bombings undermine our efforts to minimize the carnage. This remains a battle for the minds and hearts, and murderous zealots scare away folks who migfht otherwise join our efforts.

I tend to agree with you... Simply from an ends/means perspective.

It's so much easier to demonize a group when there is bombings attributed to them. Pass draconian laws, etc.

Additionally, God says "Vengance is mine" (Which, I acknowledge, is nearly impossible to adhere to sometimes.. )

OTOH. You won't find me exactly mourning their passing or shedding crocodile tears or, screaming profanity about Rudolph or anything, either..

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-26   12:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#45)

    How to you jive that position with your position on Iraq?

I believe the term is "Islamophobia"

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-26   12:09:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Jhoffa_ (#44)

"That's what I see reflected here.."

Thank you for finally admitting that...these musings are yer OPINION of reality. But none of us is all-knowing, including you. So maybe--just maybe-- there will be others who disagree with your opinion on this iisue or that. You are not the arbiter of who is delusional and who is prescient, and you look silly when you insist otherwise.

Regards...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   12:29:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Mudboy Slim (#48)

    Thank you for finally admitting that...these musings are yer OPINION of reality.

No, that's an opinion.

The reality is the poll data.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-26   12:31:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Jhoffa_ (#46)

"You won't find me exactly mourning their passing..."

I mourn not their passing as well...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   12:32:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Jhoffa_ (#49)

"The reality is the poll data."

This is some pollster's reality, and it is ethereal, meaning nothing until November. I have no doubt the RATS' whacko base will push for Dubyuh's Impeachment and I expect it will even be a campaign issue. Which Red-State representatives do you think you can replace with RATS? That's the reality...you need to win this argument at the ballot box, not according to some hypothetical poll question.

Regards...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   12:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Mudboy Slim (#51)

    This is some pollster's reality, and it is ethereal, meaning nothing until November.

Again, your faculties fail you.

Perhaps you should check yourself in someplace?

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-26   12:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: A K A Stone (#45)

"How to you jive that position with your position on Iraq?"

Imho, the Liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq will be remembered as the turning point of the world's efforts to resist the creeping danger of Islamofascism. I'm sorry innocent lives were lost, but Iraq, the Mideast, and the World will benefit for generations from what we have wrought in ridding this proud country from Saddam's tyrannical reign.

Regards...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   12:41:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Jhoffa_ (#52)

My "faculties" are just fine and dandy, thankyouverymuch...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   12:42:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Mudboy Slim (#51)

Maybe we should ALL just play "Mud Boy Slim" and see if it makes us feel better.

"That poll means nothing, it's the rats defending Clinton! What is going to happen is the martian aliance will come and defeat islamofascism and hand out free ice cream! I love ice cream!"

Why do you even bother to read the news, Mud? It's obvious you don't have an objective bone in your body..

You've run around like a certified nutcase calling your detractors Buchanan supporters, calling them miserable, making up positively retarded songs about them, claiming they are capable of nothing more than "ad hominem attacks" calling them "chicken little one percenters" creating impeachment conspiracy theories about "the rats" and generally ducking and dodging the same piece you were ostensibly replying to...

None of that has anything to do with this article, Mud. It's all part of the bizarro song and dance you pull anytime you're cornered into confronting an uncomfortable truth.

You're just lame like that, I suppose.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-26   12:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Jhoffa_ (#55)

"...you're cornered into confronting an uncomfortable truth."

No, my friend, it is you who will not put your $20 where your mouth is...my "reality" is that the GOP will pick up House seats this November...you apparently believe the RATS can win back the House.

We'll know who's Right come November...MUD

BTW...I don't need your $20...let's say the loser makes a $20 contribution to Liberty's Flame in the name of the WISER prognosticator.

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   13:03:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Mudboy Slim (#41)

Terrorists like that undermine the efforts of honest, good-hearted folks fighting to save the lives of the Unborn.

Yeah. we had a civil war over a similar issue, as I remember. would you have taken your stand then?

Free David Irving!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Gotovina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Eric Rudolph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

continental op  posted on  2006-02-26   13:26:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: continental op (#57)

"...would you have taken your stand then?"

Reckon so...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   13:29:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Mudboy Slim (#56)

    No, my friend, it is you who will not put your $20 where your mouth is...

Once again, my delusional friend, I care nothing about the house race.

This is obviously just another dodge. A vain attempt to shelter yourself from an uncomfortable reality.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-26   13:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Mudboy Slim (#58)

Yeah sure...

Free David Irving!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Gotovina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Eric Rudolph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

continental op  posted on  2006-02-26   15:20:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Jhoffa_ (#59)

"I care nothing about the house race."

Then you ain't serious about Impeaching Dubyuh...just a bunch of empty bluster...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   19:11:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Mudboy Slim (#61)

    Then you ain't serious about Impeaching Dubyuh...

Again, your delusion blinds you to the facts.

The house race is something you created to comfort yourself in the face of unplesant news. A symptom of your disease. You're clearly delusional, and now you're rambling. Your faculties (such as they are on a good day) have failed you again, Mud.

    just a bunch of empty bluster...MUD

For the sake of truth in advertising, you should make that your sig line.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-26   20:39:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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