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Title: Time to impeach Bush
Source: shns.com
URL Source: http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=ERBE-02-20-06
Published: Feb 23, 2006
Author: BONNIE ERBE
Post Date: 2006-02-23 23:41:32 by Coral Snake
Keywords: impeach, Time, Bush
Views: 6741
Comments: 69

Time to impeach Bush

By BONNIE ERBE Scripps Howard News Service 20-FEB-06

Those blasphemously "liberal" media outlets have once again deprived the American public of widespread coverage of nothing less than startling poll results. The non-partisan polling firm Zogby International last month found that by a margin of 52 percent to 43 percent, Americans want Congress to consider impeaching President Bush "if he wiretapped American citizens without a judge's approval."

Well, there's no "if" about it anymore. The president approved warrantless wiretaps in 2002. Two years later, during a campaign appearance in Buffalo, N.Y. he volunteered he'd done nothing of the kind. That's called breaking the law and lying about it.

Yes, the poll results have been reported on a few Web sites. But they have not exactly been trumpeted by the Blow Hard Boys on the Fox News Channel, nor even "front-paged" on the New York Times. Nor have they appeared as the lead story on any of the evening newscasts. From the right to the left, this poll has been ignored _ as has a recent Gallup poll showing a majority of Americans consider the Bush presidency to be a failure. Why? Because it's seen as risky.

Media inattention to the growing American pro-impeachment sentiment is not a partisan issue. Reasonable, honest Republicans such as Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., have criticized Bush's wiretapping "sans" court approval as a violation of the law and basic civil liberties.

Former Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., now a conservative TV commentator, also sees the president's actions as law-breaking. Conservative legal analyst Bruce Fein, who worked in the Reagan Justice Department, wrote in The Washington Times that Bush should face "possible impeachment" if the practice is not stopped.

Personally, I do not find illegal wiretapping to be the worst offense committed against our nation by this president. I'd rate purposefully destructive federal overspending as the most egregious transgression. Did you happen to notice last week Treasury Secretary John Snow "informed Congress that he would begin borrowing from the federal employees' retirement fund to avoid exceeding the nation's statutory debt limit of $8.184 trillion"? That, as reported by my Scripps Howard colleague, Dale McFeatters.

I'd rate "tricking" Americans into a costly, deadly, unwinnable war in Iraq and alienating most other nations as second. I'd rate wanton disregard for science and the promotion of so-called junk science _ to wit, global warming is a gossamer concept _ as an excuse for environmental destruction as third. Abramoff-related partisan corruption and the outing of CIA agent Plame would figure in there somewhere. And somewhere lower down the list would come warrantless wiretaps.

But grassroots passion for impeachment prompted by this president's circumvention of Congress and the Constitution is what's driving growing public support. And America's transition from "Bush fan" to "Bush foe" is being ignored by the mainstream media.

Surprisingly, the media did anything but ignore the Republican-led impeachment movement against former President Clinton, even when the public was decidedly more supportive of that president than it is of the current one

In December 1998, after the House voted to send articles of impeachment to the U.S. Senate, 59 percent of Americans told Washington Post/ABC News pollsters they disapproved of the House action. A minority of 40 percent said they favored it. And that followed months and months of nonstop, primetime, mainstream media coverage of Clinton's lie. If anything, the constant chorus of conservative calls for Clinton's ouster coupled with unending coverage of same should have pushed the public into a more solidly pro-impeachment stand. It did not. But the media did not relent. (For the record, I wrote at the time that Clinton should step down.)

Of course, U.S. leadership is rearranged now. Clinton, a Democrat, faced an opposition-led Congress. Even if congressional minority party Democrats could muster the backbone to make a unified call for impeachment hearings, they lack the votes to succeed in either chamber. At least Republicans succeeded in the Republican-controlled House against Clinton, although they ultimately lost in the Republican-controlled Senate.

Where are the oft-denounced "liberal" media on this issue? Truth is, the "liberal" media is and always was a figment of extreme (not mainstream) conservative rhetoric. The corporate media stays where it almost always has been _ to the right of center and shying away from risky topics.

(Bonnie Erbe is a TV host and writes this column for Scripps Howard News Service. E-mail http://bonnieerbe(at)CompuServe.com.)

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#2. To: Mudboy Slim (#1)

Overly Emotionaly Invested, Completely Unquallified, Unsourced, Bizzaro, Mud-Speak:

    ..the RATS' uncontrollable desire to IMPEACH BUSH will lead to a net loss of House seats this November...

Reality & Fact, printed in black and white (Okay, black and grey) right before the eyes of we patrons, on this very page:

    The non-partisan polling firm Zogby International last month found that by a margin of 52 percent to 43 percent, Americans want Congress to consider impeaching President Bush "if he wiretapped American citizens without a judge's approval."

I hate collectivist personality cults. In practice, they are inherently illogical and overtly dishonest.

That's what constituted support for this president from before the primary and that's what they're trying to prop his ridiculous policy decisions up with now.

It's disgraceful and unprincipled. No different from the Democrat pom-pom squad in the rose garden. You should be ashamed.

If you had any sense, you would be.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-24   11:10:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Mudboy Slim (#1)

BHAHAHAHA...the RATS' uncontrollable desire to IMPEACH BUSH will lead to a net loss of House seats this November...MUD

So what?

Free David Irving!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Gotovina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Eric Rudolph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

continental op  posted on  2006-02-24   13:20:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Coral Snake, ALL (#0)

Incidentally, this IS quite a stupid piece. Who cares what the American people want? I don't. D.C. doesn't.

Free David Irving!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Gotovina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Eric Rudolph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

continental op  posted on  2006-02-24   13:22:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jhoffa_ (#2)

"...the RATS' uncontrollable desire to IMPEACH BUSH will lead to a net loss of House seats this November..."

I stand by my prognostication...might you want to wager a quid or two?

LOL...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-24   15:50:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: continental op (#3)

"Free David Irving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Who?

"Free Gotovina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Who?

"Free Eric Rudolph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Who?! Oh yeah, the baby-killer killer...FRY HIM!!

Regards...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-24   15:53:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Mudboy Slim (#6)

Who?

Ignorant boobiosie philistine.

Free David Irving!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Gotovina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Eric Rudolph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

continental op  posted on  2006-02-24   18:01:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Mudboy Slim (#5)

    I stand by my prognostication..

Of course you do.

What you've done here is deny the reality presented to you in favor of some unqualified, emotional drivel.

You should know that, were you to deny other truths presented to you in the course of your day, you'd be locked up and evaluated by a mental health professional.

It's a bit like a crazed person, on a roof top, who believes themself able to fly. You present them the reality of physics, and they deny it out of hand... prefering instead to create a set of circumstances, out of thin air, that are demonstrably false... Or at best, completely unproven for which they can offer no rational explanation.

The Zogby poll is reality. It was presented to you. You deny it and offer nothing as a rebuttal. Nothing but unqualified, emotional drivel.

You aren't ignorant, as the ignorant can be enlightened. Your denial is willful.

Just as jamming his fingers in his ears and singing "There ain't no such thing as gravity!" doesn't change the situation for the jumper on the roof, jamming your fingers in your ears and singing "the rats are going to lose seats in November!" also does nothing to change the data your were presented.

Which is kinda fucking disfunctional, in my opinion.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-24   19:43:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: continental op (#7)

"Ignorant boobiosie philistine."

Hunh?

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   16:31:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jhoffa_ (#8)

Heh heh heh...I won't join you in your debilitating cynicism, Jimmy...all you nitwits do is whine...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   16:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Mudboy Slim (#10)

Heh heh heh...I won't join you in your debilitating cynicism, Jimmy...all you nitwits do is whine...MUD

Can you be any more pathetic??? No really.... feel free to at least make an attempt at it!

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2006-02-25   17:07:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#11)

"Can you be any more pathetic???"

I can try, numbnutz...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   17:20:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Mudboy Slim (#10)

    Heh heh heh...I won't join you in your debilitating cynicism, Jimmy

Again, you run from reality.. Straight into a false set of circumstances you have created as some kind of defence mechanism.

Perhaps jamming your fingers in your ears and singing loudly is less dignified, but it's substancially the same thing.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-25   17:28:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jhoffa_ (#13)

I'm quite familiar with "reality" and it ain't nothing like this Chicken Little/SkyIsFalling KRAP you Buchanan One-Percenters insist on whining about...LOL!!

Regards...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   21:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Coral Snake (#0)

"The corporate media stays where it almost always has been _ to the right of center..."

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! Talk about delusional...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   21:49:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Mudboy Slim (#14)

I'm quite familiar with "reality" and it ain't nothing like this Chicken Little/SkyIsFalling KRAP you Buchanan One-Percenters insist on whining about...LOL!!

He said as he clanked along in his chains. BUt his legs were numb and the chains were soft on teh inside.

Free David Irving!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Gotovina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Eric Rudolph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

continental op  posted on  2006-02-25   21:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: continental op, JHoffa_, CAPPSMADNESS (#16)

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! Some folks simply love misery it seems, and those miserable people love company, I reckon...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   21:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Mudboy Slim (#17)

Lol. a new phenomon here...the laughing sheep.

Free David Irving!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Gotovina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Eric Rudolph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

continental op  posted on  2006-02-25   21:59:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: continental op (#18)

"a new phenomon here"

Got that Right...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   22:24:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: continental op (#18)

"Free David Irving!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Gotovina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Seriously, I'm interested...who are these guys and why should we want them freed?

Regards...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   22:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Mudboy Slim (#20)

David Irving is a holocaust denier and historian, currently languishing in an Austrian bastille a victim of the EU anti-free speech laws. Ante Gotovina is a Croatian general, held by the U.N. on war-crimes charges.

Free David Irving!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Gotovina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Eric Rudolph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

continental op  posted on  2006-02-25   22:27:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Mudboy Slim (#14)

    I'm quite familiar with "reality" and it ain't nothing like this Chicken Little/SkyIsFalling KRAP you Buchanan One-Percenters insist on whining about...LOL!!

I'm not a Buchanan voter, Mud.

However, you are clearly delusional.

As I said, if you willfully disregarded reality in other aspects of your life you would be examined by a mental health professional.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-25   22:29:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Mudboy Slim (#14)

What's wrong with Buchanan. He is much more conservative than Bush, wouldn't you agree.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-02-25   22:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#23)

Yeppers.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2006-02-25   22:33:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Mudboy Slim (#17)

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! Some folks simply love misery it seems, and those miserable people love company, I reckon...MUD

Again, you invent a reality that suits your wishes. Like a coked up jumper on the roof of a building somewhere, announcing to horrified spectators below that he can fly..

I am not miserable in any sense of the word. Further, I do not enjoy misery.

Now, want to take a shot at that poll data before your faculties fail you once more?

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-25   22:35:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: continental op (#21)

Thank you...imho, Irving is a NUT, but that oughtn't be criminal. I don't know enough about Gotovina to say whether he is wrongfully-imprisoned or not. But sorry, Rudolph deserves the chair for his crimes.

Regards...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   22:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jhoffa_ (#22)

Good to know we've got a practicing shrink on the Forum...LOL!!

And you've got "Buchanan Voter" stamped on your forehead, dude...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   22:38:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#23)

"What's wrong with Buchanan."

Nothing, I like the guy.

"He is much more conservative than Bush, wouldn't you agree."

Yes...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   22:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jhoffa_ (#25)

"want to take a shot at that poll data"

Why would I? Polls mean absolutely nothing this time of year...the only poll that matters happens in November...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   22:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Mudboy Slim (#29)

Why would I? Polls mean absolutely nothing this time of year...the only poll that matters happens in November...MUD

You mean the Diebold "election". Do you trust electronic voting?

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-02-25   23:05:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone (#30)

Puh-LEASE!! Kerry got his butt whupped fair and square...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   23:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Mudboy Slim (#31)

Puh-LEASE!! Kerry got his butt whupped fair and square...MUD

I don't know that is a fact. How can you know with a hackable voting machine. What is your position on electronic voting machines, such as the diebold machines?

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-02-25   23:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#32)

"What is your position on electronic voting machines, such as the diebold machines?"

I believe there needs to be some sort of paper backup that can be checked for veracity...but no, I don't believe Kerry lost becuz of Diebold fraud, not for an instant...the RATS and the LeftWing Medyuh wouldda screamed bloody murder had there been anything to that allegation.

Regards...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-25   23:48:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Mudboy Slim (#27)

    And you've got "Buchanan Voter" stamped on your forehead, dude...MUD

No, actually I do not.

Again with the delusion.

Perhaps you should seek help?

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-26   0:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#30)

You're wasting font on this hick.

He's created his own reality and does not wish to part from it.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-26   0:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Mudboy Slim (#29)

    Why would I? Polls mean absolutely nothing this time of year...

On the contrary, this poll means that an estimated 52% of the population wants Dubya impeached if he wire tapped without a court order.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2006-02-26   0:17:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jhoffa_ (#36)

Only nuts believe Dubyuh will be impeached by a GOP-controlled House...therefore, the only way you and the other RAT-crazies are gonna get your wish is if the RATS win back the House this November. My money says that cannot accomplish that feat. In fact, my money says that the GOPers will pick up seats in the House this November.

Dem's the FACTS, Frank...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   1:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: All (#37)

"My money says that THEY--the RATS--cannot accomplish that feat."

DOHHH...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   1:08:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Jhoffa_ (#36)

Hello there, buddy...

"Virginia!!"
(To be sung to Marshall-Tucker Band's "Virginia")

Moved to Virginia thirty years ago...
Came here from Kansas...Captain's brood...
Good Lord...how the days lost track...
Seeking out the Truth's all I knew!!

Our Rebels fought against Oppression...
But our sin was that Slavery is a Crime!!
Folks, I'm in love with Ol' Virginia...
'Cuz I know she'll do what is Right!!

We took a trip to Montana...
Nine months later, Jake was born...
Contemplate the Grace of Him...
Goodness is everywhere...when we're bold!!
World's in a bind...Big Guv'ment's Power's way too great!!
Come, Patriots, look to my Virginia...
You know Tom Jefferson din't live that way!!

Oh, Freedom's rough...responsibility's sublime...
I'm in love with Ol' Virginia...
'Cuz I know she'll do what is Right!! Do what's Right!!

(Mudboy on pennywhistle...BigMan Freakin' it on guitar.)

Hunt fer crabs down south of Sandbridge...
Hiked in the Blue Ridge where God calls home.
"Righteous fools" are free, so we pray...
You understand, "Right can't be Wrong!!"

Richmond-bred twenty years...
For all these years, she ain't always done right...
State's history's what intrigues me...
'Cuz I know we're bold and we're right!!
Yes, I know our souls're ragin' bright!!

Mudboy Slim (25 February 2006)

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   1:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Mudboy Slim (#26)

WEll I dunno if Gotovina is innocent or not, but I do know that U.N. has no right to hold and try him...

As for Rudolph, in my book, he's a hero. Could you do what he did?

Free David Irving!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Gotovina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Free Eric Rudolph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

continental op  posted on  2006-02-26   7:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: continental op (#40)

"U.N. has no right to hold and try him..."

I'm in 100% agreement...

"As for Rudolph, in my book, he's a hero. Could you do what he did?"

Rudolph's no hero, and I'm as pro-life as they come. Terrorists like that undermine the efforts of honest, good-hearted folks fighting to save the lives of the Unborn.

Regards...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2006-02-26   11:30:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Mudboy Slim, continental op (#41)

Rudolph was wrong to bomb the olympics. So he is no hero. I could care less who died at his abortion clinic bombing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-02-26   11:31:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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