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Title: Consequences Of Health Care: Valuations (AT&T Announce extra $1 BILLION hit due to Obama-care)
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Published: Mar 27, 2010
Author: Karl Denninger
Post Date: 2010-03-27 02:04:08 by Nebuchadnezzar
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Views: 5004
Comments: 8

Consequences Of Health Care: Valuations

Yeah, I know, Obama has said that there would be no "material" impact to finances until 2014.

Liar.

Truth: Caterpillar and John Deere already announced non-cash charges of $100 and $150 million, respectively, for this year based upon the impact of this bill on forward retiree health care costs.

The law says you must account for such changes when you become aware of them, and that would be now.

But today a 100-kiloton device landed on AT&T's (NYSE: T) balance sheet - they announced a one billion dollar non-cash charge:

On March 23, 2010, the President signed into law comprehensive health care reform legislation under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (HR 3590). Included among the major provisions of the law is a change in the tax treatment of the Medicare Part D subsidy. AT&T Inc. ("AT&T") intends to take a non-cash charge of approximately $1 billion in the first quarter of 2010 to reflect the impact of this change. As a result of this legislation, including the additional tax burden, AT&T will be evaluating prospective changes to the active and retiree health care benefits offered by the company.

Oh, there won't be any material impacts until 2014 eh?

I told you that was BS, and now you're seeing it. If you're wondering how this stacks up, AT&T had revenue of $123 billion and a reported profit margin of 10.19%, for a net profit of $12.54 billion.

This represents about 8% - for this quarter.

Caterpillar (NYSE: CAT) reported $32.4 billion in revenue and a 2.76% profit margin, with a net income attributed to common of $895 million. Their $100 million charge amounts to 11% of that income.

John Deere (NYSE: DE) reported $22.8 billion in revenue, a 4% profit margin and $912.80 million in net profit; their $150 million charge amounts to 16% of net income.

Still think this is no big deal eh?

I will note that "EPS", or Earnings Per Share, is how we value stocks. These valuation "hits", if they are somewhat representative, imply that stocks instantly became overvalued by somewhere between 10-15% when President Obama's pen hit the paper.

I hope (1) you have enjoyed the market rally and (2) have hedged yourself, as the efficient market hypothesis says that this new information will shortly appear directly in stock prices.

PS: The impact gets worse as current employee costs ratchet upward - these charges are only against retiree obligations for existing retired workers that remain as liabilities to the firm. To expect that the total impact could easily reach 20% or more of net profits over the next couple of years is not at all farfetched, and the market should soon start discounting that too.


Wow, this thing will, as predicted, bankrupt the Republic!

Sure didn't take long to show Obama was a fool and a liar.

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#1. To: All, War, Badeye (#0)

Comments. Obama said the negative affects wouldn't appear until 2014.

It's been less than a week and the bill is coming due!!!

Goldi-Lox: You're one dumb-fucking bitch.

Nebuchadnezzar  posted on  2010-03-27   2:05:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#1)

Talk to an accountant about what this means before you start doing The Reegan...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace Day 34 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 32 of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-03-27   7:39:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#1)

Interesting to note Owe-bama either doesn't realize the first 'kitchen table issue' is always economic based...or simply does not care.

Nothing he's done has been designed to help this economy. Nothing. Clinton's catch phrase 'Its the Economy, Stupid!' waz dead on accurate. That will be THE issue come fall. The WAY healthcare was passed will just highlight the real world example of 'Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely'.

We have a 'real' unemployment north of 20%. Its going to be a long hot summer.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-27   8:47:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Badeye, bebuchadnezzar, war, lucysmom, fred mertz, sneakypete, dont eat that (#3) (Edited)

Here's why companies are taking write-downs as a result of HCR. When Medicare Part D went into effect companies that provided prescription drug benefits to retirees got a new subsidy from the federal government of 28% of what they spent.

However, there was no change to their ability to take a tax deduction for what they spent.

So before Medicare Part D, AT&T, for example, could spend $100 million on prescription drug costs and take a tax write-off for that $100 million. That's fair, right?

After Medicare Part D, AT&T gets a $28 million subsidy, spends $100 million, and takes a tax write-off for $100 million. In effect, they are taking a deduction on the subsidy.

As a result of Part D, companies providing prescription drug benefits recognized an immediate gain thanks to the subsidy. AT&T, for example, recorded a $1.6 billion dollar gain in 2003 as a result of Part D.

So why are they taking the write-down now? Because HCR no longer allows them to take a deduction on the subsidy. Instead of taking a deduction on the whole $100 million they spent, they can now only take a deduction on the $72 million that they actually spent out of their own revenues, not the $28 million subsidy.

Is that not fair? Or does the GOP believe that companies should be able to get a deduction if they spend government subsidies?

And I should add as well that if Medicare Part D were revoked, there would be an even larger wave of corporate earning write-downs.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-03-28   11:03:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: go65 (#4)

Nice spin. That won't change the fact its inevitable that corporations are going to dramatically increase using sub contractors to supplant in house employees.

As this occurs, corporations shed the costs of providing health insurance, workers comp insurance, social security, etc etc etc. It will be on the working man or woman who's only viable job is via sub contracting.

Its inevitable. And that means the tax burden on the entire nation grows geometrically, and at a rate thats staggering in its speed.

It also means tax revenues will inevitably decrease.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-28   11:50:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Badeye (#5)

Nice spin. That won't change the fact its inevitable that corporations are going to dramatically increase using sub contractors to supplant in house employees.

It's not spin at all, and corporations are already doing that as health care cost rise under the present system.

As this occurs, corporations shed the costs of providing health insurance, workers comp insurance, social security, etc etc etc. It will be on the working man or woman who's only viable job is via sub contracting.

Already happening under the present system

Its inevitable. And that means the tax burden on the entire nation grows geometrically, and at a rate thats staggering in its speed.

And how does the GOP approach of rescinding cuts to Medicare help solve this problem?

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-03-28   12:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Badeye (#5) (Edited)

Its inevitable. And that means the tax burden on the entire nation grows geometrically, and at a rate thats staggering in its speed.

It also means tax revenues will inevitably decrease.

Of course if people were paid enough to provide for themselves the Problem would solve itself.

(Only half kidding)

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-28   12:58:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Nebuchadnezzar (#1)

Comments. Obama said the negative affects wouldn't appear until 2014.

The 'negative effects' hit home November of 2010....(laughing)

Obama's first all-by-his-lonesome budget, btw, calls for a $1.17 trillion deficit.

Badeye  posted on  2010-11-08   14:56:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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