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Title: 20 Way ObamaCare will Take Away Our Freedoms
Source: Investors Business Daily
URL Source: http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/capitalhill.htm
Published: Mar 23, 2010
Author: David Hogberg
Post Date: 2010-03-23 15:17:06 by Get Outta Dodge!
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20 Way ObamaCare will Take Away Our Freedoms

By David Hogberg Sun., March 21, '10 3:24 PM ET Tags: Health Care - ObamaCare - Freedom

With House Democrats poised to pass the Senate health care bill with some reconciliation changes later today, it is worthwhile to take a comprehensive look at the freedoms we will lose.

Of course, the overhaul is supposed to provide us with security. But it will result in skyrocketing insurance costs and physicians leaving the field in droves, making it harder to afford and find medical care. We may be about to live Benjamin Franklin’s adage, “People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.”

The sections described below are taken from HR 3590 as agreed to by the Senate and from the reconciliation bill as displayed by the Rules Committee.

1. You are young and don’t want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750 annually for the “privilege.” (Section 1501)

2. You are young and healthy and want to pay for insurance that reflects that status? Tough. You’ll have to pay for premiums that cover not only you, but also the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor. That’s because insurance companies will no longer be able to underwrite on the basis of a person’s health status. (Section 2701).

3. You would like to pay less in premiums by buying insurance with lifetime or annual limits on coverage? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer such policies, even if that is what customers prefer. (Section 2711).

4. Think you’d like a policy that is cheaper because it doesn’t cover preventive care or requires cost-sharing for such care? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer policies that do not cover preventive services or offer them with cost-sharing, even if that’s what the customer wants. (Section 2712).

5. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesn’t allow your employees’ slacker children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. (Section 2714).

6. You must buy a policy that covers ambulatory patient services, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services; chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care.

You’re a single guy without children? Tough, your policy must cover pediatric services. You’re a woman who can’t have children? Tough, your policy must cover maternity services. You’re a teetotaler? Tough, your policy must cover substance abuse treatment. (Add your own violation of personal freedom here.) (Section 1302).

7. Do you want a plan with lots of cost-sharing and low premiums? Well, the best you can do is a “Bronze plan,” which has benefits that provide benefits that are actuarially equivalent to 60% of the full actuarial value of the benefits provided under the plan. Anything lower than that, tough. (Section 1302 (d) (1) (A))

8. You are an employer in the small-group insurance market and you’d like to offer policies with deductibles higher than $2,000 for individuals and $4,000 for families? Tough. (Section 1302 (c) (2) (A).

9. If you are a large employer (defined as at least 50 employees) and you do not want to provide health insurance to your employee, then you will pay a $750 fine per employee (It could be $2,000 to $3,000 under the reconciliation changes). Think you know how to better spend that money? Tough. (Section 1513).

10. You are an employer who offers health flexible spending arrangements and your employees want to deduct more than $2,500 from their salaries for it? Sorry, can’t do that. (Section 9005 (i)).

11. If you are a physician and you don’t want the government looking over your shoulder? Tough. The Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to use your claims data to issue you reports that measure the resources you use, provide information on the quality of care you provide, and compare the resources you use to those used by other physicians. Of course, this will all be just for informational purposes. It’s not like the government will ever use it to intervene in your practice and patients’ care. Of course not. (Section 3003 (i))

12. If you are a physician and you want to own your own hospital, you must be an owner and have a “Medicare provider agreement” by Feb. 1, 2010. (Dec. 31, 2010 in the reconciliation changes.) If you didn’t have those by then, you are out of luck. (Section 6001 (i) (1) (A))

13. If you are a physician owner and you want to expand your hospital? Well, you can’t (Section 6001 (i) (1) (B). Unless, it is located in a country where, over the last five years, population growth has been 150% of what it has been in the state (Section 6601 (i) (3) ( E)). And then you cannot increase your capacity by more than 200% (Section 6001 (i) (3) (C)).

14. You are a health insurer and you want to raise premiums to meet costs? Well, if that increase is deemed “unreasonable” by the Secretary of Health and Human Services it will be subject to review and can be denied. (Section 1003)

15. The government will extract a fee of $2.3 billion annually from the pharmaceutical industry. If you are a pharmaceutical company what you will pay depends on the ratio of the number of brand-name drugs you sell to the total number of brand-name drugs sold in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the brand-name drugs in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2.3 billion, or $230,000,000. (Under reconciliation, it starts at $2.55 billion, jumps to $3 billion in 2012, then to $3.5 billion in 2017 and $4.2 billion in 2018, before settling at $2.8 billion in 2019 (Section 1404)). Think you, as a pharmaceutical executive, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 9008 (b)).

16. The government will extract a fee of $2 billion annually from medical device makers. If you are a medical device maker what you will pay depends on your share of medical device sales in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the medical devices in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2 billion, or $200,000,000. Think you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for R&D? Tough. (Section 9009 (b)).

The reconciliation package turns that into a 2.9% excise tax for medical device makers. Think you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 1405).

17. The government will extract a fee of $6.7 billion annually from insurance companies. If you are an insurer, what you will pay depends on your share of net premiums plus 200% of your administrative costs. So, if your net premiums and administrative costs are equal to 10% of the total, you will pay 10% of $6.7 billion, or $670,000,000. In the reconciliation bill, the fee will start at $8 billion in 2014, $11.3 billion in 2015, $1.9 billion in 2017, and $14.3 billion in 2018 (Section 1406).Think you, as an insurance executive, know how to better spend that money? Tough.(Section 9010 (b) (1) (A and B).)

18. If an insurance company board or its stockholders think the CEO is worth more than $500,000 in deferred compensation? Tough.(Section 9014).

19. You will have to pay an additional 0.5% payroll tax on any dollar you make over $250,000 if you file a joint return and $200,000 if you file an individual return. What? You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9015).

That amount will rise to a 3.8% tax if reconciliation passes. It will also apply to investment income, estates, and trusts. You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Like you need to ask. (Section 1402).

20. If you go for cosmetic surgery, you will pay an additional 5% tax on the cost of the procedure. Think you know how to spend that money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9017).

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#70. To: Badeye (#68) (Edited)

They called him "Moonbeam" because, among other things, he advocated exploring the unviverse and envisioned that the use of satellite technology would become a mainstream method of communication as if it was some kind of nutty idea.

The columnist who put that tag on him...I think the guy's name was Mike Royco...later wrote a column apologizing for it and conceded that Brown, at the time was visionary.

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   12:10:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: war (#28)

You doing any events?

I'm not sure, but will have to make a decision soon. I started a new job last fall and I've been crazy busy. So, I'm concerned about getting in enough training time.

How 'bout you?

Suzanne  posted on  2010-03-24   12:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: lucysmom (#62) (Edited)

It's a credit to education in the US that people commonly confuse political systems with economic systems.

Chyea...

In a general system in which wealth provides a gateway to both influence and participation in government, it's a by product of man's natural tendency to be corrupt to use both as a means of one to advance the other. And while I would caution anyone towards temperance when describing us as a fascist nation, it is indisputable that corporatism, which we most definitely are, WILL give way to fascism.

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   12:13:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: war (#47)

What are they going to do? Become auto mechanics?

Heh... at least auto mechanics don't get to bury their mistakes.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-24   12:15:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: dont eat that (#44)

Get used to waiting a lot longer as it is a certainty that there will be a lot fewer doctors willing to practice under this system...

I have never met a doctor who was happy to deal with insurance companies to get paid.

Moreover, the other advanced nations provide comprehensive coverage to their entire populations, while the U.S. leaves 46.3 million completely uninsured and millions more inadequately covered.

The reason we spend more and get less than the rest of the world is because we have a patchwork system of for-profit payers. Private insurers necessarily waste health dollars on things that have nothing to do with care: overhead, underwriting, billing, sales and marketing departments as well as huge profits and exorbitant executive pay. Doctors and hospitals must maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the bureaucracy. Combined, this needless administration consumes one-third (31 percent) of Americans’ health dollars.

www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-resources#myths_facts

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   12:15:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Suzanne (#71)

Doin St. Anthony's down in FL on the 25th April and am looking at a couple half Ironman's this Summer. But will mostly stay local. Think I'm going to do Ironman again next year.

I did enter the Kona lottery and will find out next month if I got in. If that happens...boy will my life change...

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   12:15:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: mininggold (#73)

Nope...their mistakes are the gift that keeps on giving...

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   12:18:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Badeye (#32)

Its the employers fault your relative had a fatal heart attack years after he was let go.

Not a fan of reading comprehension, I see.

The heart attack was not fatal and it occurred while he was employed. His employer (a small business) was concerned about rising annual premiums because of the heart attack and got rid of my relative. The combination of long unemployment and no health insurance made my relative uninsurable and harmed his health further. That's the reality for many Americans.

Suzanne  posted on  2010-03-24   12:20:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Suzanne (#77)

Not a fan of reading comprehension, I see.

Or facts...or truth...

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   12:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Suzanne (#77)

In 1988, Pru-Bache let a man go who contracted HIV during heart surgery...his estate sued and won under ADA...

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   12:25:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Suzanne (#77)

I'm a fan of facts, not sob stories. You insinuated he was let go because of his failling health. How's that for 'reading comprehension' sweetie?

Have a nice day.

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Badeye  posted on  2010-03-24   12:26:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: war (#46)

Back in 2004, I laid in a hospital bed for three days waiting to have the surgery on my broken leg that I was told was so vital that I couldn't go get a second opinion as I had to have it within 24 hours of the injury.

Hey best health care in the world!

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   12:28:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Boofer Schweitzer, Suzanne (#80)

I'm a fan of facts, not sob stories. You insinuated he was let go because of his failling health. How's that for 'reading comprehension' sweetie?

Not only did she "insinuate" it, you snobbish, misogynistic, insignificant wormprick, she STATED IT OUTRIGHT.

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   12:29:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: lucysmom (#74)

Doctors and hospitals must maintain costly administrative staffs to deal with the bureaucracy.

So factoring in layer upon layer of government bureaucracy is going to make things better and cheaper?

What kind of dope do you need to smoke to believe that?

I've never had a problem with doctor's filing insurance. I doubt it actually costs very much as the same people who do it handle many other administrative duties, too.

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#84. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#52)

We have the first brick in the foundation - and within 10 years, we will have single-payer socialized medicine.

I hope you're right.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   12:30:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Badeye (#56)

You're welcome.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   12:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: lucysmom (#81)

Last May I took an eye test to renew my drivers license and guessed at half the letters...which can't be good thing for for any of us...

So, I made an eye appointment..._3 month wait...son got invited to a showcase...had to cancel...2 months...doctor got sick and cancelled...4 months...had it two weeks ago...

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   12:36:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: war (#70)

They called him "Moonbeam" because, among other things, he advocated exploring the unviverse and envisioned that the use of satellite technology would become a mainstream method of communication as if it was some kind of nutty idea.

He also signed for state employees collective bargaining, only he required at least two tiers of management/supervisory/confidential employees be added throughout the system in order to assure a skeleton staff in case of strikes.

Of course each needed an office and a secretary and most were told to develop their own job description.... I kid you not. I saw the memos..... And saw all the former patient areas being converted to offices. Then public health came through and said there wasn't enought patient area so more building/remodeling etc ensued.

I preferred the collective begging era. The biggest raise I ever got was under Reagan.

But this is a large part of the Cal state employee burden that most bitch about.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-24   12:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: mininggold (#87)

They called him 'Moonbeam' because of his goofball POLITICAL STANCES.

Hilarious attempt at rewriting history, though.

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Badeye  posted on  2010-03-24   12:37:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Badeye (#58)

Now thats been said, any comment on why Doctors are forced to order extremely expensive tests due to insane malpractice lawsuits?

Because that's the Capitalist way. Seriously, law suits are a free market remedy to a perceived wrong.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   12:37:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: lucysmom (#84)

I hope you're right.

I am.

Let me ask you another question - not necessarily related to health care (because that issue is settled)

This bill was rammed through with an end-justifies-the-means mentality. While you'd say that George Bush shit on the Constitution, Zero and his gang not only shit on it, but flushed what's left of it down the crapper.

So - let me ask: What are you going to say when it's Romney or the Huckster using Zero's precedents to shit on it even further?

You won't complain, will you? The end justifies the means, right?

"UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems."
–Barry Soetoro attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument, Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-24   12:39:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: mininggold (#87)

How Jerry Brown Became ‘Governor Moonbeam’ By JESSE McKINLEY Published: March 5, 2010 Sign In to E-Mail

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Share CloseLinkedinDiggFacebookMixxMySpaceYahoo! BuzzPermalink SAN FRANCISCO — On Tuesday, when Jerry Brown — California’s once and would-be-future leader — declared he was running to win back his old job, he brought with him more than questions about his age (71) and his record of political service (40 years and counting).

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Related California Ex-Governor Announces Encore Run (March 3, 2010) In California, Brown Is Said to Be Seeking His Old Job Back (March 2, 2010) Times Topic: Jerry BrownHe brought Moonbeam with him, too.

For the uninitiated, ‘Governor Moonbeam’ became Mr. Brown’s intractable sobriquet, dating back to his days as governor between 1975 and 1983, when his state led the nation in pretty much everything — its economy, environmental awareness and, yes, class-A eccentrics.

The nickname was coined by Mike Royko, the famed Chicago columnist, who in 1976 said that Mr. Brown appeared to be attracting “the moonbeam vote,” which in Chicago political parlance meant young, idealistic and nontraditional.

The term had a nice California feel, and Mr. Royko eventually began applying it when he wrote about the Golden State’s young, idealistic and nontraditional chief executive. He found endless amusement — and sometimes outright agita — in California’s oddities, calling the state “the world’s largest outdoor mental asylum.”

“If it babbles and its eyeballs are glazed,” he noted in April 1979, “it probably comes from California.”

But as any New Age Californian can tell you, such hate is probably cover for a deeper love. And so it was with Mr. Royko, who after many vicious gibes at Mr. Brown’s expense offered an outright apology to the governor, and spent years trying to erase the moniker.

In a 1991 column in The Chicago Tribune, he called the label, an “idiotic, damn-fool, meaningless, throw-away line,” and pleaded with people to stop using it.

“Enough of this ‘Moonbeam’ stuff,” Mr. Royko concluded. “I declare it null, void and deceased.”

It didn’t take. Mr. Royko died in 1997, and when Mr. Brown declared his candidacy last week, most, if not all, press accounts referred to his “Moonbeam” past. (This reporter included.) When The Sacramento Bee asked readers for potential slogans for the 2010 Brown campaign, one reader quipped: “From Moonbeam to Aspercreme.” (Suggesting that Mr. Brown, who would be the state’s oldest governor, is, like many of us, a little less limber than he once was. This reporter included.)

For his part, Mr. Brown said it was initially flattering for a bigwig like Mr. Royko to write about him. “But obviously there’s a bit of frustration to have that moniker floating around for 30 years,” he said.

Exactly when Mr. Royko first crowned Mr. Brown “Governor Moonbeam” is unclear. Mr. Royko said he didn’t even remember when he first landed on the phrase. He “was stringing some words together one evening to earn his day’s pay,” he wrote.

But the nickname accompanied Governor Brown as he declared his fascination with outer space, proposed that California launch its own space satellite and made headlines dating the rock star Linda Ronstadt.

The nickname became a whipping stick for Mr. Royko. And he flailed away as Mr. Brown was trying to convince fellow Democrats that he’d be a good presidential candidate. (His 1980 campaign slogan was “protect the earth, serve the people and explore the universe.”)

Mr. Royko thought Mr. Brown would be a disaster.

“I long ago gave up trying to figure out what Gov. Moonbeam stands for or believes in,” Mr. Royko wrote in April 1979, “besides getting his pretty mug on TV and confusing people into voting for him.” He added that Mr. Brown was an “intellectual hustler,” who “can jabber so nimbly that no one can figure what he’s talking about.”

All of which made Mr. Royko’s epiphany even more striking. It came in 1980, at the Democratic National Convention, where Mr. Royko said that the best speech had come from — you guessed it — Governor Moonbeam.

“I have to admit I gave him that unhappy label,” Mr. Royko wrote. “Because the more I see of Brown, the more I am convinced that he has been the only Democrat in this year’s politics who understands what this country will be up against.”

Nicknames, like politics, can often be childish, but awfully sticky, too. California Republicans have already taken to bringing up Mr. Brown’s Moonbeam past, suggesting in a recent news release that “his unpredictable nature” makes him unsuitable for the governorship.

Mr. Brown — not surprisingly — sees it differently, saying the nickname shows he’s “creative and not hidebound to the status quo.”

“Moonbeam also stands for not being the insider,” said Mr. Brown. “But standing apart and marching to my own drummer. And I’ve done that.”

Alain Delaquérière contributed research.

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Badeye  posted on  2010-03-24   12:43:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Badeye (#88)

They called him 'Moonbeam' because of his goofball POLITICAL STANCES.

Hilarious attempt at rewriting history, though.

I didn't rewrite anything. It's all easily researched and well, well documented.

I didn't even mention why he was called Moonbeam either. Is English your second language?

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-24   12:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: All (#91)

“If it babbles and its eyeballs are glazed,” he noted in April 1979, “it probably comes from California.”

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Badeye  posted on  2010-03-24   12:44:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Boofer (#88)

They called him 'Moonbeam' because of his goofball POLITICAL STANCES.

As Governor, Brown proposed the establishment of a state space academy and the purchasing of a satellite that would be launched into orbit to provide emergency communications for the state—a proposal similar to one that would indeed eventually be adopted by the state. In 1978 an out-of-state columnist, Mike Royko, then at the Chicago Sun-Times, nicknamed Brown "Governor Moonbeam" because of the latter idea. In 1992, almost 15 years later, Royko would disavow the nickname, proclaiming Brown to be "just as serious" as any other politician.

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   12:45:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: lucysmom (#89)

ecause that's the Capitalist way. Seriously, law suits are a free market remedy to a perceived wrong.

I believe California has $250,000 limit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-24   12:46:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: war (#66)

My adolescent daughter had a major crush on Alex Keaton.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   12:48:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Badeye (#91)

Alain Delaquérière contributed research.

Oh...... you finally found something and just needed an excuse to post it. More of your needing to use everyone for your own ends.

But since you put it in italics and not quotes, no one will read it.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-24   12:49:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Badeye (#68)

They were correct about Moonbeam.

I was not impressed with him in his days as California's governor, but he did a good job in an impossible position as Oakland's mayor.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   12:51:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: mininggold (#97)

(eyes rolling) Only a pure, 100% KOOK could come up with that.

And I didn't put anything in 'italics' you nutcase, I copy the articles and comments 'as is'.

Sheesh...if you bathroom sink gets clogged, do you think its fuckin conspiracy?

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-24   12:52:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: mininggold (#92) (Edited)

I didn't rewrite anything.

Chuckles...it's just Irma La Boof using you to argue with me because he's too much of a pussy to do so directly.

Sorry that you're caught up in the middle of his latest adolescent snit fit...it's the price that we pay for having Boofer here, routine meltdowns and drunken sputterings...

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   12:53:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Badeye (#69)

Before or after the latest debacle?

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   12:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: lucysmom (#101)

Before...During...After

I AM Wall Street afterall...[snicker]

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   12:54:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: lucysmom (#98)

We do agree here completely.

But the fact is Brown was known as 'Moonbeam' for his ridiculous political stances early in his career. My anti groupie choose to pretend Brown's 'spin' was the 'reality'.

He does that a lot.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-24   12:54:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: lucysmom (#101)

Throughout, unless it displays his hypocrisy to overtly.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-24   12:55:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Badeye (#103) (Edited)

But the fact is Brown was known as 'Moonbeam' for his ridiculous political stances early in his career. My anti groupie choose to pretend Brown's 'spin' was the 'reality'.

Royko wrote the column in 1976 when Brown proposed the Space Agency and satellite launch...Royko claimed that Brown was courting the Moonbeam vote.

Once again, Boof...you are so fucking wrong...once again you are arguing from a 0 knowledge base. Once again you lost to....ME...

Ha Ha Fuck You live with it...

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   12:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Boofer The Drunk (#104)

Throughout, unless it displays his hypocrisy to overtly.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

I knew that this thread would send you running for the Crown Royal...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   12:59:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: war (#70)

He was also an advocate of smaller government before it became a popular idea.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   13:01:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: lucysmom (#107)

Ran on a flat tax in 1992...

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   13:05:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Badeye (#91)

"Exactly when Mr. Royko first crowned Mr. Brown “Governor Moonbeam” is unclear. Mr. Royko said he didn’t even remember when he first landed on the phrase. He “was stringing some words together one evening to earn his day’s pay,” he wrote."

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   13:06:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: war (#72)

Yep!

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   13:20:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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