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Title: 20 Way ObamaCare will Take Away Our Freedoms
Source: Investors Business Daily
URL Source: http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/capitalhill.htm
Published: Mar 23, 2010
Author: David Hogberg
Post Date: 2010-03-23 15:17:06 by Get Outta Dodge!
Keywords: None
Views: 48828
Comments: 161

20 Way ObamaCare will Take Away Our Freedoms

By David Hogberg Sun., March 21, '10 3:24 PM ET Tags: Health Care - ObamaCare - Freedom

With House Democrats poised to pass the Senate health care bill with some reconciliation changes later today, it is worthwhile to take a comprehensive look at the freedoms we will lose.

Of course, the overhaul is supposed to provide us with security. But it will result in skyrocketing insurance costs and physicians leaving the field in droves, making it harder to afford and find medical care. We may be about to live Benjamin Franklin’s adage, “People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.”

The sections described below are taken from HR 3590 as agreed to by the Senate and from the reconciliation bill as displayed by the Rules Committee.

1. You are young and don’t want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750 annually for the “privilege.” (Section 1501)

2. You are young and healthy and want to pay for insurance that reflects that status? Tough. You’ll have to pay for premiums that cover not only you, but also the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor. That’s because insurance companies will no longer be able to underwrite on the basis of a person’s health status. (Section 2701).

3. You would like to pay less in premiums by buying insurance with lifetime or annual limits on coverage? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer such policies, even if that is what customers prefer. (Section 2711).

4. Think you’d like a policy that is cheaper because it doesn’t cover preventive care or requires cost-sharing for such care? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer policies that do not cover preventive services or offer them with cost-sharing, even if that’s what the customer wants. (Section 2712).

5. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesn’t allow your employees’ slacker children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. (Section 2714).

6. You must buy a policy that covers ambulatory patient services, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services; chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care.

You’re a single guy without children? Tough, your policy must cover pediatric services. You’re a woman who can’t have children? Tough, your policy must cover maternity services. You’re a teetotaler? Tough, your policy must cover substance abuse treatment. (Add your own violation of personal freedom here.) (Section 1302).

7. Do you want a plan with lots of cost-sharing and low premiums? Well, the best you can do is a “Bronze plan,” which has benefits that provide benefits that are actuarially equivalent to 60% of the full actuarial value of the benefits provided under the plan. Anything lower than that, tough. (Section 1302 (d) (1) (A))

8. You are an employer in the small-group insurance market and you’d like to offer policies with deductibles higher than $2,000 for individuals and $4,000 for families? Tough. (Section 1302 (c) (2) (A).

9. If you are a large employer (defined as at least 50 employees) and you do not want to provide health insurance to your employee, then you will pay a $750 fine per employee (It could be $2,000 to $3,000 under the reconciliation changes). Think you know how to better spend that money? Tough. (Section 1513).

10. You are an employer who offers health flexible spending arrangements and your employees want to deduct more than $2,500 from their salaries for it? Sorry, can’t do that. (Section 9005 (i)).

11. If you are a physician and you don’t want the government looking over your shoulder? Tough. The Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to use your claims data to issue you reports that measure the resources you use, provide information on the quality of care you provide, and compare the resources you use to those used by other physicians. Of course, this will all be just for informational purposes. It’s not like the government will ever use it to intervene in your practice and patients’ care. Of course not. (Section 3003 (i))

12. If you are a physician and you want to own your own hospital, you must be an owner and have a “Medicare provider agreement” by Feb. 1, 2010. (Dec. 31, 2010 in the reconciliation changes.) If you didn’t have those by then, you are out of luck. (Section 6001 (i) (1) (A))

13. If you are a physician owner and you want to expand your hospital? Well, you can’t (Section 6001 (i) (1) (B). Unless, it is located in a country where, over the last five years, population growth has been 150% of what it has been in the state (Section 6601 (i) (3) ( E)). And then you cannot increase your capacity by more than 200% (Section 6001 (i) (3) (C)).

14. You are a health insurer and you want to raise premiums to meet costs? Well, if that increase is deemed “unreasonable” by the Secretary of Health and Human Services it will be subject to review and can be denied. (Section 1003)

15. The government will extract a fee of $2.3 billion annually from the pharmaceutical industry. If you are a pharmaceutical company what you will pay depends on the ratio of the number of brand-name drugs you sell to the total number of brand-name drugs sold in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the brand-name drugs in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2.3 billion, or $230,000,000. (Under reconciliation, it starts at $2.55 billion, jumps to $3 billion in 2012, then to $3.5 billion in 2017 and $4.2 billion in 2018, before settling at $2.8 billion in 2019 (Section 1404)). Think you, as a pharmaceutical executive, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 9008 (b)).

16. The government will extract a fee of $2 billion annually from medical device makers. If you are a medical device maker what you will pay depends on your share of medical device sales in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the medical devices in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2 billion, or $200,000,000. Think you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for R&D? Tough. (Section 9009 (b)).

The reconciliation package turns that into a 2.9% excise tax for medical device makers. Think you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 1405).

17. The government will extract a fee of $6.7 billion annually from insurance companies. If you are an insurer, what you will pay depends on your share of net premiums plus 200% of your administrative costs. So, if your net premiums and administrative costs are equal to 10% of the total, you will pay 10% of $6.7 billion, or $670,000,000. In the reconciliation bill, the fee will start at $8 billion in 2014, $11.3 billion in 2015, $1.9 billion in 2017, and $14.3 billion in 2018 (Section 1406).Think you, as an insurance executive, know how to better spend that money? Tough.(Section 9010 (b) (1) (A and B).)

18. If an insurance company board or its stockholders think the CEO is worth more than $500,000 in deferred compensation? Tough.(Section 9014).

19. You will have to pay an additional 0.5% payroll tax on any dollar you make over $250,000 if you file a joint return and $200,000 if you file an individual return. What? You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9015).

That amount will rise to a 3.8% tax if reconciliation passes. It will also apply to investment income, estates, and trusts. You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Like you need to ask. (Section 1402).

20. If you go for cosmetic surgery, you will pay an additional 5% tax on the cost of the procedure. Think you know how to spend that money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9017).

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#105. To: Badeye (#103) (Edited)

But the fact is Brown was known as 'Moonbeam' for his ridiculous political stances early in his career. My anti groupie choose to pretend Brown's 'spin' was the 'reality'.

Royko wrote the column in 1976 when Brown proposed the Space Agency and satellite launch...Royko claimed that Brown was courting the Moonbeam vote.

Once again, Boof...you are so fucking wrong...once again you are arguing from a 0 knowledge base. Once again you lost to....ME...

Ha Ha Fuck You live with it...

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   12:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Boofer The Drunk (#104)

Throughout, unless it displays his hypocrisy to overtly.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

I knew that this thread would send you running for the Crown Royal...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   12:59:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: war (#70)

He was also an advocate of smaller government before it became a popular idea.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   13:01:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: lucysmom (#107)

Ran on a flat tax in 1992...

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   13:05:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Badeye (#91)

"Exactly when Mr. Royko first crowned Mr. Brown “Governor Moonbeam” is unclear. Mr. Royko said he didn’t even remember when he first landed on the phrase. He “was stringing some words together one evening to earn his day’s pay,” he wrote."

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   13:06:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: war (#72)

Yep!

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   13:20:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Badeye (#99)

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-24   13:21:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Badeye (#99)

(eyes rolling) Only a pure, 100% KOOK could come up with that.

And I didn't put anything in 'italics' you nutcase, I copy the articles and comments 'as is'.

Sheesh...if you bathroom sink gets clogged, do you think its fuckin conspiracy?

Is there nothing you will not try to blame on others? YOU posted it in the area where it would show up in italics. Or maybe you have a secretary to blame it on.

I gave you advice on why your article will not be reader friendly, which hardly can be considered a conspiracy.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-24   13:25:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: war (#100)

Sorry that you're caught up in the middle of his latest adolescent snit fit...it's the price that we pay for having Boofer here, routine meltdowns and drunken sputterings...

It's also getting a little too paranoid.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-24   13:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: dont eat that (#83)

I've never had a problem with doctor's filing insurance. I doubt it actually costs very much as the same people who do it handle many other administrative duties, too.

A friend is the office manager for a clinic. She says she spends hours on the phone with people in India getting approvals for patient treatment and that even after getting pre-approval the insurance provider may deny the claim when presented. That means more hours on the phone getting the denial reversed. Even then they may not get payment which means that she has to try and get payment from the patient.

In the end, they have to raise rates to compensate for claims that are never paid.

According to research presented on the site I linked to, 31% of medical costs are administrative and have nothing to do with health care delivery.

So factoring in layer upon layer of government bureaucracy is going to make things better and cheaper?

Do you think insurance is not grossly bureaucratic?

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   13:36:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: mininggold (#113)

Yep...one step closer to total meltdown which usually includes the background checks...

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   13:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: mininggold (#113)

No paranoia here Kookie. And my anti groupie has no say in who posts anywhere on the net.

He just likes to pretend otherwise on occasion.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-24   13:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: war (#115)

Yep...one step closer to total meltdown which usually includes the background checks...

He can check away, I'll see his ass in jail. I hope he has lots of assets.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-24   13:43:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: war (#86)

In January a cardiologist referred me for a stress test. The earliest appointment I could get is May 28. (BTW, due to a pre-existing condition I am uninsurable and pay out of pocket)

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   13:43:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Badeye (#116) (Edited)

And my anti groupie has no say in who posts anywhere on the net.

Wha...chuckle...huh?

Where have I advocated that you not be able to post here, Boofer? I was one of the few who advocated your unconditional resinstatement @ LP despite the bullshit that you tried to pull with me.

And no one knows what "anti-groupie" means.

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   13:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: lucysmom (#118)

Whiner!!!!

[just kidding]

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   13:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: mininggold (#117)

Another kook myth perpetuated by my laughable anti groupie. Only the self absorbed think they are worth the time, let alone the effort to conduct 'background checks' on SCREEN NAMES.

As for 'have my ass in jail' your ignorance of public records is typical. They are PUBLIC, you dumbass.

My anti groupie likes to pretend I did a 'background check' on him. This simply isn't true. Multiple forum owners that tossed his ass off their boards gave me his name, email and so on, years ago.

But, like all kooks its a 'conspiracy'! (laughing)

You two should get a room, and rub your conspiracy sores together.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-24   13:46:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: mininggold (#95)

I believe California has $250,000 limit.

Yes we have, since the 70s I believe - but then we're Socialist doncha know.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   13:47:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Badeye (#103)

Jerry Brown was just ahead of his time - some call that visionary and think its a good thing.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   13:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Badeye (#121)

Another kook myth perpetuated by my laughable anti groupie. Only the self absorbed think they are worth the time, let alone the effort to conduct 'background checks' on SCREEN NAMES.

LOLOL

That thread where you posted his name is still up on LP. Fred linked to it yesterday.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-24   13:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: lucysmom (#62)

Its a credit to education in the US that people commonly confuse political systems with economic systems.

Okay madam - educate me:

Let me cite a few countries of the world today, and YOU tell ME what kind of political system and economic system they have. Ready?

1. China
2. Russia
3. USA
4. UK
5. Germany
6. Greece
7. Singapore

"UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems."
–Barry Soetoro attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument, Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-24   13:50:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Badeye (#121) (Edited)

Multiple forum owners that tossed his ass off their boards gave me his name, email and so on, years ago.

Wha...chuckle...huh? The only forum that you lasted longer on was Pipe and we knew who the other was by then. No one had to give you my name, email and "so- on" [even tho not even my name or "so on" was required to register just an email.] So you promoting name and so on is an obvious lie. After I was booted from Pipe, I snail mailed you a bottle of Crown Royal when I lost a bet to you, Boof, that we had made prior to Bill's purgings. This was back when you weren't so self absorbed. I still have OUR email exchanges.

And as you like to say, Goldi has the emails. She knows what happened. As do you. As does the clerk of courts [who is my neighbor]...as does my credit alert. Do you believe that she booted you without any proof? You gave her 0 choice because you have 0 self control.

Chuckles...you're well down the LF exit ramp now...as predicted...

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   14:02:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: war (#120)

Whiner!!!!

More whine:

The cardiologist was appalled that I drove myself home after the event that precipitated the visit to his office. He said, "You do know that when that happens you're supposed to call 911 don't you?"

Without insurance there is no way I could pay the tens of thousands of dollars that would have cost.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   14:04:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: lucysmom (#127)

Yea...I'm sorry that happened and I'm sorry that there are those who would rather have it continue to happen...

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   14:06:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: mininggold (#124)

Fred linked to it yesterday.

I did?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-24   14:07:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: lucysmom (#118)

In January a cardiologist referred me for a stress test.

How much will that cost you?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-24   14:09:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: mininggold (#124)

WhiteSands is back; gee, what a surprise in the article he posted.

www.libertypost.org/cgi-b....cgi?ArtNum=286241&Disp=0

That dumb cracker.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-24   14:11:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#125)

7. Singapore

Capitalist - single party rule.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   14:14:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: Fred Mertz (#130)

No Idea. Figure I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

lucysmom  posted on  2010-03-24   14:15:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: Fred Mertz (#131)

From about 2007 on he had two obssessions...child molestation and Boofer...

Made you wonder, eh?

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   14:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: mininggold (#124)

Did he link the 200 times he posted mine over a three year period predating it?

Somehow, I think not. I asked for it to be stopped for 18 months, Sally refused to address it, so eventually - after multiple warnings to him and Sally - I finally responded 'in kind'.

I'm still wondering how you determine a person's legal name via a screen name in a internet forum....(laughing)

Its not possible, unless its based upon the legal name, not initials.

My anti groupie was outted by site hosts that found him despicable. They don't do that casually, for the obvious reason. Rather than admit the truth of this, he made up a fairy tale that doesn't hold up under even casual scrutiny.

To be 100% honest, I've told multiple posters HERE I won't 'go there' with him here at LF via the mail system requests for that information. It doesn't do the forum any good. And whats the point anyway?

So much for this topic. Lets move on.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-24   14:20:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Fred Mertz (#129)

I am kinda surprised if you did so, Fred. Whats the point?

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-24   14:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Badeye (#135)

So much for this topic. Lets move on.

You want to move on, Boof? Start telling the goddam truth.

How did I start posting on LP, Boof? Do you recall who invited me, via email?

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#138. To: lucysmom (#123)

rotflmao!

We disagree, but thats still allowed.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-24   14:24:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: Badeye (#135)

I asked for it to be stopped for 18 months

You posted my name on LP, Boof. Out of the blue...for no reason...YOU posted my name. Just as you did with Malodor. You hadn't asked for anything to be stopped because nothing had been started. And there is no reason for you to be posting Goldi's name here, either. And it undermines your entire argument.

You really do need help, dude. Serious help. I cannot help but wonder if you really BELIEVE this absolute total bullshit that you are posting. And if you do, refer back to my first statement. You're truly living in a separate reality.

Sad.

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   14:26:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Badeye (#135)

Sally refused to address it, so eventually - after multiple warnings to him and Sally - I finally responded 'in kind'.

Who is Sally?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-24   14:28:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Fred Mertz (#140)

The fatal blow to his protests...[ironic laugh]

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war  posted on  2010-03-24   14:30:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: Fred Mertz (#140)

Your insane host at LP.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-24   14:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Fred Mertz (#129)

did?

Well, the thread you linked to had a link to that thread. Sorry, I take it back.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-24   14:45:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: lucysmom (#114)

With Obamacrap, we are still going to have whatever Insurance company bureaucracy there is PLUS layers of government bureaucracy.

According to research presented on the site I linked to, 31% of medical costs are administrative and have nothing to do with health care delivery.

Even if a doctor didn't accept insurance, he will still have administrative costs. He has to pay a staff and stock Office supplies anyway.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-24   14:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Boofer, Fred Mertz (#142)

Is he too stupid to realize this undermines his protests or is he just...well...stupid...

Day 31 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 29 of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...

war  posted on  2010-03-24   14:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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