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Title: In It For The Money? Conservative PAC Spends Big, But Not On Candidates
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URL Source: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsme ... ends_big_not_on_candidates.php
Published: Mar 20, 2010
Author: Justin Elliott
Post Date: 2010-03-20 12:18:45 by Skip Intro
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Views: 33992
Comments: 86

A California-based PAC called the Republican Majority Campaign spent nearly all of the $1.7 million it raked in from conservative donors last year, but less than 2% of the money went to supporting candidates or independent political spending.

The rest of the money raised by the group went to operating expenses, salaries for the PAC's top officers, and back into fundraising appeals -- which often ask supporters for as much as $144 in exchange for sending faxes opposing health care reform to members of Congress.

The lion's share -- roughly $1.3 million -- of the group's 2009 fundraising haul went to a murky Arizona telemarketing firm that goes under the name Political Advertising, which has been linked to questionable PAC activities in the past. Its business type in the state's registry is given as "telephone fundraising."

Republican Majority Campaign's Executive Director is Gary Kreep, the California-based attorney and activist who produced and starred in the Birthermercial. That was the late-night program that, much like the Republican Majority Campaign email appeals, asked viewers to donate $30 to send faxes to Attorney General Eric Holder demanding that President Obama produce his birth certificate.

The Birthermercial was produced by Kreep's United States Justice Foundation, which describes itself as "your conservative voice in the courts." United States Justice Foundation and the Republican Majority Campaign are in adjacent suites at the same address in the San Diego County, CA, town of Ramona.

And while the groups have different phone numbers, calls by TPMmuckraker to each group were answered by the same receptionist.

The Republican Majority Campaign paid Kreep about $60,000 in 2009, mainly for "legal services," according to FEC records. Randy Goodwin, the group's co-founder and treasurer, was paid just over $75,000 for, among other things, "accounting services," "management services," and "medical reimbursement." Neither man has responded to requests for comment.

"It's a business model," says Meredith McGehee, policy director at the Campaign Legal Center. "Whoever gives to one of these groups, they probably don't realize it, but there are no laws or rules governing a percentage PACs need to give to candidates or spend on a particular kind of activity."

One of Republican Majority Campaign's recent fundraising pitches, sent on the email list of the conservative magazine Human Events, is headlined "Obamacare: The Final Battle!" and begins like this:

Dear Fellow American,

Barack Hussein Obama has spoken.

YOU, the American people, have decided NOT to listen!

Mr. Obama's LIES have been uncovered!

The e-mail contains no less than five sections asking the reader to:

Please, CLICK HERE to FAX every Member of Congress to tell them to EXPOSE OBAMACARE as a complete sham. AND, please GIVE your largest possible DONATION to the Republican Majority Campaign to help us DEFEAT OBAMACARE!

Recipients who click through find a page where they can choose from several donation options -- $19 to $144 -- to send faxes to, for example, "ALL 59 Democrat/Independent U.S. Senators And a Donation for just $49."

McGehee notes that sending faxes can be a legitimate way to lobby Congress, but with some groups "it is a product without much value. It is a product geared to getting the money in, not towards actually producing meaningful results. They'll do a fairly perfunctory thing."

You can see Republican Majority Campaign's anti-health reform fax to Congress, which is headlined "'NO MORE FEAR; NO MORE LIES!' VERY IMPORTANT FAX / PLEASE ELIMINATE OBAMACARE," here.

The group made news this last week when it released an ad trying to link Sen. Harry Reid to Arab "slave-bosses."

That ad represents a rare instance of the Republican Majority Campaign spending in support of a candidate. While the PAC spent $3 million in the 2008 cycle, mostly on ads against Barack Obama, the picture has changed markedly since that time.

In 2009, the group spent just $15,600 -- out of $1.6 million in total spending -- on contributions to candidates, according to its latest FEC report.

Most of that money went to New York conservative congressional candidate Doug Hoffman and Rep. Bill Posey (R-FL). The Republican Majority Campaign also spent about $15,000 on independent expenditures -- paying for a consultant -- to work in support of Marco Rubio in the Florida Senate race.

So where did most of the money go?

About $1.3 million went to the Arizona telephone fundraising firm called Political Advertising for services described on FEC forms as "phone/mail communication." Located on the tenth floor of an office building in downtown Mesa, Political Advertising is another name for the Political Call Center, according to Arizona corporate records.

The company's Web site advertises for "tele service agent" positions, but contains virtually no information about what the firm does. State records list Political Call Center's owners as a pair of Delaware-based companies called the Corporation Trust Center and HCC Investment.

Despite the records listing, a spokeswoman for Corporation Trust Center's parent company tells TPMmuckraker that Corporation Trust Center does not own Political Call Center, but rather provides a legal service for the firm.

The number for HCC Investment goes to a company called Wilmington Equities, which, like Political Call Center itself, did not respond to a request for comment.

This isn't the first time Political Advertising has been on our radar.

TPMmuckraker first reported on Political Advertising and the Republican Majority Campaign in 2008. At the time, several PACs associated with former Reagan Administration official Linda Chavez and her family had been the subject of a Washington Post expose detailing how the groups churned through millions on fundraising and salaries but spent little on political activity.

Two of the Chavez-linked groups -- the Pro-Life Campaign Committee and the Republican Issues Committee -- had used the services of Political Call Center under a previous name, HCC Political Advertising.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Gary Kreep is the one who introduced the Moldavian-Israeli crackpot Orly Taitz to the birfer movement.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-03-20   12:20:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Skip Intro (#1)

Go get 'em, Tiger!!!

Kill those nasty conservatives!!!!!

Hail Obama, full of grace ........

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-20   20:15:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#2)

It's only the first day of spring and already the wingnuts are in full bloom.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-03-21   0:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Skip Intro (#3)

It's only the first day of spring and already the wingnuts are in full bloom.

They must have vested interest in maintaining the two party charade.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-21   1:00:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mininggold, Skip Intro (#4) (Edited)

It's only the first day of spring and already the wingnuts are in full bloom.

They must have vested interest in maintaining the two party charade.

You morons "strain at a gnat" of a bunch of yay-hoos spending 1.7 million, but "swallow the camel" of outright criminals shredding what's left of our constitution - and have the gall to call someone else a wingnut?

I hope you bastards enjoy living in the coming USSA. You certainly deserve it.

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   9:06:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#5)

What makes you a complete idiot is to read so much into a single post. The "shredding of the Constitution" began under the Great God Bush, yet turds like you never said a word. Now that Obama is continuing the Bush policies it's a big deal.

Too late, jerkoff. Bush gave Obama everything he needs to do what you fear most.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-03-21   13:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Skip Intro (#6)

From late '02 on my standard reply to the BOTS was pretend it's Hillary doing it.

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war  posted on  2010-03-21   14:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: war (#7)

This idiot doesn't even grasp what the article is about.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-03-21   14:18:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Skip Intro (#6)

What makes you a complete idiot is to read so much into a single post. The "shredding of the Constitution" began under the Great God Bush, yet turds like you never said a word. Now that Obama is continuing the Bush policies it's a big deal.

And to that he said "Amen". I don't think it coincidence, that Dodge's initials are GOD. The Neocons just can't help themselves and it will be their downfall too. LOLOL

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-21   14:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Skip Intro (#6)

The "shredding of the Constitution" began under the Great God Bush

Bullshit!

It began under the Great God Lincoln.

So there!

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   19:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: war (#7) (Edited)

From late '02 on my standard reply to the BOTS was pretend it's Hillary doing it.

From late '02 on your standard reply is "BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSH did it"

You are deranged. Seek help.

(Pssssst. Bush isn't prez anymore. Thought you'd like to know)

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   19:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Skip Intro (#8) (Edited)

This idiot doesn't even grasp what the article is about.

Fuck the article.

Take you head out of your ass and look around. Your country's going down the toilet, and you have time to post horseshit.

But that's okay - you're probably a product of the PUBLIK SKOOLS.

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   19:55:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: mininggold, war (#9) (Edited)

The Neocons just can't help themselves and it will be their downfall too.

Everyone to the right of you is a fucking neo-con, while everyone to the right of war loves Bush. Did you two ever learn how to think in colors and not just black and white?

My God you people are dense. WAKE THE HELL UP!

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   20:00:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#12)

Your country's going down the toilet, and you have time to post horseshit.

And your response is to post this?

You're a joke.

Skip Intro  posted on  2010-03-21   20:19:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#11) (Edited)

From late '02 on your standard reply is "Boy Blunder did it"

8 years, Bozo Bait...the damage done isn't going to be undone by simply stating he ain't here no more - especially when you're over at Goldi's screeching on about the irreversible damage that Obama is doing.

This is how you always will trip over your own argument...

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war  posted on  2010-03-21   20:20:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: war (#15)

You are deranged. Seek help

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   20:23:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#16) (Edited)

I nailed it...I know...better for you to have not answered...

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war  posted on  2010-03-21   20:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Skip Intro, war, mininggold (#14) (Edited)

And your response is to post this?

You're right. I wish there was more I could do rather than waste time posting on the internet.

war is deranged and not worth my time. mininggold reminds me of a relative of mine. He's 71 years old, thinks "the joooooooos" are behind everything bad and that Hitler really wasn't such a bad fellah.

In mininggold's world everyone bad is a "neocon" Not worth responding too, either.

I'm actually rather intelligent, and politically savvy. Your criticism aside, I've actually posted quite a bit negative about Bush. Especially his un-Constitutional invastion of Iraq and his un-Constitutional expansion of prescription drug benefits. And let's not forget "no child left behind" (aka no child gets an education)

Partisan republicans are just as bad as partisan democrats. People like war are especially irksome because you just know that if it was Hillary or Obama DOING EXACTLY what Bush did, he'd have no problem with it. If something is un-Constitutional, why should the party affiliation of the person(s) doing the un-Constitutional act matter?

Sadly, about all you run into on these boards are partisans. Oh well . .

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   20:38:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: war (#17)

You are deranged. Seek help.

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   20:38:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#18) (Edited)

I'm actually rather intelligent, and politically savvy.

Did you tap your ruby slippers together as you patted yourself on the back?

You do drive bys. You say nothing. You offer nothing. You're simply Boofer with a knowledge of spelling and HTML.

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war  posted on  2010-03-21   20:41:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#19) (Edited)

Well allow me to retort in kind: I nailed it...I know...better for you to have not answered...

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war  posted on  2010-03-21   20:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: war (#20)

You are deranged. Seek help

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   20:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#22) (Edited)

Well allow me to retort in kind: I nailed it...I know...better for you to have not answered... You do drive bys. You say nothing. You offer nothing. You're simply Boofer with a knowledge of spelling and HTML.

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war  posted on  2010-03-21   20:43:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: war (#23)

You are deranged. Seek help.

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   20:49:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#24)

Chuckles...if I'm deranged...what are you, two?

[snicker]

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war  posted on  2010-03-21   20:51:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: war (#25)

You are deranged. Seek help

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   20:52:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#26)

Well...I'd ask who you use but I'm deranged not OCD...

[snicker]

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war  posted on  2010-03-21   20:55:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: war (#27)

You are deranged. Seek help.

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   21:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#28)

You're not going to win dude and you look like an asshole losing.

But then again, you're intelligent [I heard you say it so it must be right] and politically savvy...

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war  posted on  2010-03-21   21:11:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#18)

. Your criticism aside, I've actually posted quite a bit negative about Bush. Especially his un-Constitutional invastion of Iraq and his un-Constitutional expansion of prescription drug benefits. And let's not forget "no child left behind" (aka no child gets an education)

Not on this forum you haven't. But your obsession about intentionally mistaking neocons as always being Joooooooooos ( your spelling not mine and typical for a timid, whipped poster) probably means you are the California convict.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-21   21:14:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: mininggold (#30)

Amazing how insisting that America be put first makes these morons go all BatShit, eh?

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war  posted on  2010-03-21   21:17:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: war (#29)

You are deranged. Seek help

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   21:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: mininggold (#30)

You are obsessed. Seek help.

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   21:18:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#32) (Edited)

Actually, I do need help...

Whenever you make an Alfredo, do you think it is better to melt the butter first and alone and add the cream or to melt it in the cream as it reduces? I've tried making it both ways and melting the butter first seems to give a kind of light brown, almost a pastel mauve, tint to the sauce. But when I melt it in the cream, it gets a little too yellow. I just cannot seem to keep that cream color to it. How do you do it?

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war  posted on  2010-03-21   21:22:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#33)

You are obsessed. Seek help.

Since I have the facts and data on my side you are the one obsessed. Cal....ifornia con....vict is that you? LOLOL

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-21   21:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: mininggold (#30)

. Your criticism aside, I've actually posted quite a bit negative about Bush. Especially his un-Constitutional invastion of Iraq and his un-Constitutional expansion of prescription drug benefits. And let's not forget "no child left behind" (aka no child gets an education)

Not on this forum you haven't.

To: dont eat that (#25)

BTW - I'm not here to defend neo-cons - 'cause I ain't one.

Sending US troops to engage in un-Constitutional wars ain't my bag.

Get Outta Dodge! posted on 2010-02-25 16:40:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

ESAD!

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   21:27:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#18)

Nice rant. ALL your observations are spot on.

Partisan republicans are just as bad as partisan democrats. People like war are especially irksome because you just know that if it was Hillary or Obama DOING EXACTLY what Bush did, he'd have no problem with it. If something is un-Constitutional, why should the party affiliation of the person(s) doing the un-Constitutional act matter?

Exactamundo.

What gets tiring is the same ol' lack of critical thinking and intellectual dishonesty from the same people. Thankfully, there is a sector of conservatives like us who stand between absolute insanity and mere partisan nuttiness. But let us be clear - there are ZERO members of the Democrat Party (or "independent" contrarians and socialists) with an iota of morals, ethics, or principles.

Liberator  posted on  2010-03-21   21:29:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#36) (Edited)

Wow...in 2010 you're trying to run away from where you were 7 years ago...geez...how...how...intelligent and politically savvy, you are...

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war  posted on  2010-03-21   21:30:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: war (#31)

Amazing how insisting that America be put first makes these morons go all BatShit, eh?

They are quite nuts at this stage of the game. One year of a president they didn't vote for was all it took. What a bunch of pansies, and these types are going to fight a revolution? Just way too funny from this bunch.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-21   21:30:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: mininggold (#39)

Chyea...done for the night...the special people are here and I had a looong weekend...

Late dude...have a good week.

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war  posted on  2010-03-21   21:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: mininggold (#35)

Since I have the facts and data on my side you are the one obsessed. Cal....ifornia con....vict is that you? LOLOL

Is that you or your fifth of Gilbey's talking?

Nevermind - you two are indistinguishable.

Liberator  posted on  2010-03-21   21:32:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: mininggold (#39)

They are quite nuts at this stage of the game. One year of a president they didn't vote for was all it took. What a bunch of pansies, and these types are going to fight a revolution? Just way too funny from this bunch.

What "bunch" is that? Those laughing and waving at you up in your perch in the belfry?

Few a more clueless and insular from reality than you.

Liberator  posted on  2010-03-21   21:34:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#36)

One comment is quite a bit? LOLOL Forget the obsessions, it's delusions you are suffering from.

I don't think you are a neocon though, but they have you so intimidated you are afraid to use the King's English in describing the problem.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-21   21:36:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Liberator (#42)

What "bunch" is that? Those laughing and waving at you up in your perch in the belfry?

Few a more clueless and insular from reality than you.

From an angelic Bible quoter to a gutter mouth in less than 24 hours and Sunday ain't over yet.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-21   21:38:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: mininggold (#39)

Oh wait, one last thought.

Can you arrange for me to to suck Barack's dick?

.war  posted on  2010-03-21   21:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: mininggold (#35)

I'm going to make one more attempt to post to you - in the unlikely event you may still have one or two brain cells functioning.

In case you haven't noticed, our country is in its death throes. We can argue all day long as to who's at fault, or when it started. You say everything bad began with Bush. I say it was FDR (or even Lincoln)

In the end, it doesn't matter. The criminals running the enterprise NOW - AT THIS POINT IN TIME - are not named Bush or Cheney. Can you get that through your thick head?

Did Bush and Cheney do un-constitutional things? YES. Did Bush say the constitution was just a GD piece of paper? YES. Did Bush pave the way for Obama? YES.

IS BUSH OR CHENEY IN CHARGE NOW - AT THIS POINT IN TIME? NO!

IS OBAMA AND HIS CRONIES IN CHARGE NOW - AT THIS POINT IN TIME? YES!

It is frustrating as hell to see people like you either being intentionally obtuse. Or are you just stupid.

We still have a few freedoms left. We can piss the rest of them away, whining about neocons and the former evils Bush and Cheney.

Or we can recognize the REAL AND PRESENT evil - Obama.

I don't know what form resistance should take. But I know what form it SHOULDN'T take.

Yours.

Wise the hell up.

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   21:43:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#46)

Our country is a long way off from being in any kind of death throes.

But just to humor you.... until you identify the cause just how can you rectify the problem? Every thing else is just applying a bandaid and will not cure the problem.

That's what is wrong with the current state of the tea party movement. They are letting themselves be led around by the nose by those who created the problems in the first place.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-21   21:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: .war (#45)

The 'ignore' worked for the thread you posted, now stones bozo filter will take care of you...

Murron  posted on  2010-03-21   21:56:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: .war (#45)

Can you arrange for me to to suck Barack's dick?

It's okay Buckie, I'm sure you can find a way to do that on your own.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-21   21:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: mininggold (#44)

From an angelic Bible quoter to a gutter mouth in less than 24 hours and Sunday ain't over yet.

"Gutter mouth"? No - that's you waking up in a gutter. With the usual empty fifth of Gilbey's hanging from it.

I appreciate your effort in putting the bottle down long enough to type your usual hyperbolic hysterics.

Liberator  posted on  2010-03-21   22:04:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Liberator (#50)

"Gutter mouth"? No - that's you waking up in a gutter. With the usual empty fifth of Gilbey's hanging from it.

I appreciate your effort in putting the bottle down long enough to type your usual hyperbolic hysterics.

Why are you posting here since there are no posters worthy of your vast intellectual posting expertise?

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-21   22:07:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Liberator, war (#37)

What gets tiring is the same ol' lack of critical thinking and intellectual dishonesty from the same people.

The apparent lack of critical thinking is frustrating indeed.

Not long after coming to this board I posted something to war along these lines: he seemed to have above average intelligence, but he was "eaten up with the goofies" in his obsession with Bush. I indicated to him that such obsessions weren't healthy, and he should quit feeding it.

His response? A real "intelligent" one - I'm a bot.

You used the word "contrarian". I believe that defines war to a "T".

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   22:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Murron (#48)

.war

If you look closely that's not war, that's periodwar.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-21   22:18:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Get Outta Dodge!, mininggold (#46)

To MININGGOLD: "In case you haven't noticed, our country is in its death throes...It is frustrating as hell to see people like you either being intentionally obtuse. Or are you just stupid."

Dodge, the woman wouldn't recognize a runaway trainwreck if it landed three feet from her. C-L-U-E-LESS.

The question is how people like this can remain so detached from reality at their relative advanced age when wisdom is normally imbued upon one. Frankly, I wonder how they dress themselves or handle money in denominations of more than a few dollars at a time.

NOTHING 0bama and the Dems do affect these people, thus we should conclude that they can either be onboard with his agenda, or are just oblivious pods.

Liberator  posted on  2010-03-21   22:19:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: mininggold (#43)

I don't think you are a neocon though

Thank you, thank you.

You don't know how relieved I am.

Now if I could get war to stop calling me a bot, my life would be complete.

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   22:20:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#52)

The apparent lack of critical thinking is frustrating indeed.

1 + 1 = 3 to them. Always. They are hard-wired to disengage from our dimension of reality - I'm not being facetious.

You used the word "contrarian". I believe that defines war to a "T".

Yep. Yet he claims NOT to support or endorse 0bama. If he could, war would claim dibs on "the head of a pin." If there's anything he hates it's being pegged.

Liberator  posted on  2010-03-21   22:26:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Fred Mertz (#53)

If you look closely that's not war, that's periodwar.

I know it's not war, it someone who wants to needle him, could be packass himself for all we know...who cares, whoever it is, they're a coward hiding behind someone elses name...

Murron  posted on  2010-03-21   22:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#55)

LOL

Liberator  posted on  2010-03-21   22:28:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Liberator (#54)

Dodge, the woman wouldn't recognize a runaway trainwreck if it landed three feet from her. C-L-U-E-LESS.

The question is how people like this can remain so detached from reality at their relative advanced age when wisdom is normally imbued upon one. Frankly, I wonder how they dress themselves or handle money in denominations of more than a few dollars at a time.

NOTHING 0bama and the Dems do affect these people, thus we should conclude that they can either be onboard with his agenda, or are just oblivious pods.

Why do you insist on posting here with us plain country rubes when your higher IQ'd intellectual equals are on LP?

And since this country has never, ever weathered any economic storms in it's history before, I'm sure by this time next year we will all be on street corners selling apples or probably in your case, jumping from high rises.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-21   22:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Liberator, mininggold (#54)

Our country is a long way off from being in any kind of death throes.

NOTHING 0bama and the Dems do affect these people, thus we should conclude that they can either be onboard with his agenda, or are just oblivious pods.

If you drew a straight line, labeled the right end "Liberty" and the left end "Totalitarianism", where did the country fall on the line in 1789? In 1860? 1865? 1900? 1913? 1939? 1980? 2000? 2010?

Has the country not been moving in a steadily leftward direction (with few interruptions?)

You're right, Lib. Miz Gold is onboard with Obama's agenda.

Likely sucking the government teat, and ready for more.

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   22:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#60) (Edited)

Crying in your beer with that Libby. LOLOLOL

I voted for Ron Paul, but I'm sure you see that as a vote for Obama since that's how you concrete thinking types rationalize. Have you ever thought maybe your problem is with yourself?

Let me be prophetic now...I bet you voted for the lesser of two evils and felt good about it too. LOLOL

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-21   22:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: mininggold (#61)

Let me be prophetic now...I bet you voted for the lesser of two evils and felt good about it too. LOLOL

BZZZZZZZZZT! You lose.

I voted for Bob Barr

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-21   22:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#60)

If you drew a straight line, labeled the right end "Liberty" and the left end "Totalitarianism", where did the country fall on the line in 1789? In 1860? 1865? 1900? 1913? 1939? 1980? 2000? 2010?

Has the country not been moving in a steadily leftward direction (with few interruptions?)

You nailed the major catalysts - Lincoln's Civil War, Wilson's collaboration with the banking Elites, FDR's socialism and surrender to Stalin, Dubya's 9/11 and Wars-to-Go, and of course the final chapter to the End Game with so called "President" who would have been either been ridiculed arrested, jailed, or indicted for Treason at one time or another for a good 200 or so years of the American Republic.

Ever since the curtain had fallen on Reagan's Reign, we have plummeted head first into the Leftists' abyss - no doubt about it. In earnest, the acceleration had begun with Poppy Bush, but ALL the wheels fell off....in 2009.

Miz Gold is onboard with Obama's agenda. Likely sucking the government teat, and ready for more.

VERY likely.

Liberator  posted on  2010-03-21   22:51:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: mininggold, Get Outta Dodge! (#61)

Crying in your beer with that Libby. LOLOLOL

What a snob; Mininggold cries (and cackles hysterically) in her ubiquitous fifth of (fill-in-the-blank.)

Liberator  posted on  2010-03-21   22:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Liberator (#64)

What a snob; Mininggold cries (and cackles hysterically) in her ubiquitous fifth of (fill-in-the-blank.)

You need to analyze your behavior and find the appropriate Bible quote condemning it.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-21   22:55:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Liberator (#63)

You nailed the major catalysts - Lincoln's Civil War, Wilson's collaboration with the banking Elites, FDR's socialism and surrender to Stalin, Dubya's 9/11 and Wars-to-Go, and of course the final chapter to the End Game with so called "President" who would have been either been ridiculed arrested, jailed, or indicted for Treason at one time or another for a good 200 or so years of the American Republic.

Ever since the curtain had fallen on Reagan's Reign, we have plummeted head first into the Leftists' abyss - no doubt about it. In earnest, the acceleration had begun with Poppy Bush, but ALL the wheels fell off....in 2009.

You conveniently forgot the Savings and Loan crisis during which 747 S and Ls failed or were taken over by the US Government, which happened under your hero Reagan and directly involved your other hero McCain.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-21   23:05:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: mininggold (#59)

Since this country has never, ever weathered any economic storms in it's history before, I'm sure by this time next year we will all be on street corners selling apples or probably in your case, jumping from high rises.

0bama is governing like a tyrant and thug, admitted his scam is about wealth redistribution, is riddling our prestige, ridiculing our sovereignty, and purposely and utterly destroying of our economy - and yet you marginalize his obvious evil as a mere "economic storm"??

This laissez-faire statement of yours underscores your total obliviousness. Have you any idea of what the hell is going on?

Liberator  posted on  2010-03-21   23:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: mininggold (#65)

There is a verse or two about "liars," but I don't have the Scripture off-hand.

Liberator  posted on  2010-03-21   23:08:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: mininggold (#66)

your hero Reagan and directly involved your other hero McCain.

You're equating Reagan with McCain?

*chortle*

You possess no sense of proportion - none whatsoever. But that should be the worst of your problems - analytical and otherwise.

Liberator  posted on  2010-03-21   23:11:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Liberator (#69) (Edited)

You're equating Reagan with McCain?

If McCain had been elected and had a bank scandal and passed an amnesty during his reign, you would be right up there singing his praises too. Your problem is: you are either blind to or choose to ignore the faults of those who you choose to lavish your childish hero worship on.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-22   0:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Liberator (#68)

There is a verse or two about "liars," but I don't have the Scripture off-hand.

Oh come on.... you were putting out the verses yesterday like a pastor looking for a new church.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-22   1:01:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Liberator (#67)

0bama is governing like a tyrant and thug, admitted his scam is about wealth redistribution, is riddling our prestige, ridiculing our sovereignty, and purposely and utterly destroying of our economy - and yet you marginalize his obvious evil as a mere "economic storm"??

Yeah I agree.... since most "conservatives" lately seem like defeatist clones of you, there probably is not a shred of hope left for this country. Maybe you should be on suicide watch.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-22   1:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Fred Mertz (#53)

Not long after coming to this board I posted something to war along these lines: he seemed to have above average intelligence, but he was "eaten up with the goofies" in his obsession with Bush. I indicated to him that such obsessions weren't healthy, and he should quit feeding it.

Your first post ever to me on this board was, in a back handed manner, to extol the virtues of Sarah Palin who is an even dumber version of Boy Blunder with tits.

So take your overdeveloped, yet vastly under deserved, sense of self righteousness and shove it...

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war  posted on  2010-03-22   8:03:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#60) (Edited)

Has the country not been moving in a steadily leftward direction

The country was founded by several leftists...why are you surprised? Man governing himself?!? The horror...

The fact is, Henry, you're great at making obtuse observations but pretty thin at offering anything that resembles a solution to the vast array of problems that this country has developed. The most glaring one being the widening disparity between the capabilities of this society and access to those capabilities.

Cancer can be cured. Is it the characteristic of a just society that not all who are so afflicted can get the best treatment available? Treatments, the development of which, that has often been HEAVILY subsidized by the taxpayer?

And you never got back to me on your Alfredo sauce...

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war  posted on  2010-03-22   8:11:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: war (#73)

It would appear that you have another stalker.

Bartcoprules  posted on  2010-03-22   8:30:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Bartcoprules (#75) (Edited)

Yea...if feel so fucking special...like a member of the AC fucking C does... [wink]

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war  posted on  2010-03-22   8:32:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: mininggold (#35) (Edited)

Cal....ifornia con....vict is that you?

No...

I am fairly certain that it is Patriot Henry...or We The People...

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war  posted on  2010-03-22   8:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: mininggold (#65)

You need to analyze your behavior and find the appropriate Bible quote condemning it.

Felatorator doesn't need to live by the Bible as long as he is able to quote it...

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war  posted on  2010-03-22   8:56:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: war (#74)

The country was founded by several leftists

Define "leftist."

Then name these leftists.

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-22   9:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#79)

Define "leftist."

You used the term. What did YOU mean by it?

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war  posted on  2010-03-22   9:25:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#79)

Then name these leftists.

Hancock, Madison, Jefferson, Dickinson, Franklin, Mason, Patrick...to name a few...

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war  posted on  2010-03-22   9:28:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: war (#81)

Hancock, Madison, Jefferson, Dickinson, Franklin, Mason, Patrick...to name a few...

Just what I thought.

If you think these were big gov't "leftists" in the vein of Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Castro and Chavez, then you ARE a moron.

You're not worth my time.

I've never used the Bozo. 'till now. Buh bye.

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-22   9:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#82) (Edited)

Just what I thought.

Define "thought". [snicker]

If you think these were big gov't "leftists" in the vein of Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Castro and Chavez, then you ARE a moron.

Nope. But that wasn't the posit. You asked a question and I answered it. You didn't like the answer - most likely because you know that it's the correct answer - and now you're having the predictable BOT snit fit: Since you are incapable of inteligent and civil discussion you act agrieved and run away...as I said...you're Boofer - who still cannot admit that he was wrong about CA's population - with a better grasp of spelling and HTML.

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war  posted on  2010-03-22   10:02:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Bartcoprules a.k.a war's butt buddy (#75)

It would appear that you have another stalker.

Hey asshole! Looks like I've got one, too.

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-22   22:43:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Bartcoprules (#75)

war (#73)

It would appear that you have another stalker.

Bartcoprules posted on 2010-03-22 8:30:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Hey asshole!

Want to comment NOW?

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-23   15:50:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Bartcoprules (#85)

HEY BART!!!! LOOKIT ME...I GITS ONE TOOS!!!! UN SPECIAL!!! LOOKIT!!! I GOTS ME A STALKER!!!! LOOKIT!!!! WHY AREN'T YOU LOOKITING?!?

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war  posted on  2010-03-23   15:52:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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