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Elon Musk Delivers Stunning Remarks At Historic UK March (Tommy Robinson) Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: BULLETIN: DEMS DON'T HAVE THE VOTES Source: [None] URL Source: http://www.vote.com/mmp_printerfriendly.php?id=1917 Published: Mar 19, 2010 Author: DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN Post Date: 2010-03-19 10:45:36 by dont eat that Keywords: None Views: 521 Comments: 50 From a top level source in the House comes the news that the Democrats are still short of the 216 votes they need to pass Obamacare. They have decided, however, to go for broke on Sunday and attempt to pass it whether or not they have enough support. They feel that only by forcing a vote can the force members off the fence. They hope that by employing all means at their disposal, they can round up enough votes for passage. But, if they don't have the votes, they will allow the measure to be defeated. One source called it a "suicide run." The League of American Voters is strengthening its efforts. GO HERE NOW to donate. https://www.newsmaxstore.com/contribute/lav/?s=al&promo_code=97B0-1 The Chamber of Commerce is now running new ads linking health care to the deficit and America's possible loss of an AAA rating on its bonds. Keep on phoning and keep on working!!!!! Help The League Of American Voters Stop Obamacare And Prepare For Upcoming Battles -- Go Here Now https://www.newsmaxstore.com/contribute/lav/?s=al&promo_code=97B0-1 Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 38. #1. To: dont eat that (#0) That was obvious when Owe-bama cancelled the trip to Indonesia yesterday. You don't do that casually, even if you are a arrogant narcisst with an overblown liberal ego. Badeye  posted on  2010-03-19   10:54:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Badeye, A K A Stone, Fred Mertz, mininggold, All (#1) "That was obvious when Owe-bama cancelled the trip to Indonesia yesterday. You don't do that casually, even if you are a arrogant narcisst with an overblown liberal ego." If this usurper were to go ahead and pass this bill without the needed votes and shove this down the throats of the American people, does anyone here believe there just might be armed conflicks between the feds and the people? Some states are already talking to the people and incouraging them to arm themselves, state militias are readinging themselves too...the people seem to finally understand what is happening to their country. Thoughts?? Murron  posted on  2010-03-19   15:01:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Murron (#2) Last time there was this feeling was in the 1850's. Not even the 60's with Vietnam had the public this angry with the Congress. The unibomber polls higher than Pelosi at this point. I dislike that woman intensely...but damn, not THAT much. Badeye  posted on  2010-03-19   15:03:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Badeye (#3) I dislike that woman intensely...but damn, not THAT much. That grungy hag lost me totally when she threatened the house with martial law...she asked for it, now let her deal with it. jmo! Murron  posted on  2010-03-19   15:08:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Murron (#4) I agree with you on that, I'm saying I don't dislike her more than I dislike the 'unibomber'...(chuckle) Badeye  posted on  2010-03-19   15:15:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Badeye (#6) I agree with you on that, I'm saying I don't dislike her more than I dislike the 'unibomber'...(chuckle) True, I agree with you there... Murron  posted on  2010-03-19   15:16:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Murron, Badeye (#7) Geeze! Get a room already. Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-19   15:18:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: Fred Mertz, Badeye, war, ALL (#8) "Geeze! Get a room already." Hi Fred, I'd rather go horse back riding today! &;-) FWIW!!! Whip Count: Pelosi Doesn't Have the Votes Without Stupak Boccieri flips from "no" to "yes;" Rahall flips from "yes" to "no." John Boccieri becomes the fourth Democrat who voted against the health care bill in November to flip his vote to "yes". He joins Betsy Markey, Bart Gordon, and Dennis Kucinich. I expect Scott Murphy of New York to become the fifth soon. Other potential flippers from "no" to "yes" include Suzanne Kosmas (Fla.), Brian Baird (Wash.), Jim Matheson (Utah), and Jason Altmire (Pa.). But there's good news (I think): Peter DeFazio just announced he's flipping from Yes to No. And even if Pelosi can flip ten "no" votes to "yes," she's still short. Here's why. If the number of Democrats who flip from "yes" to "no" is greater than the number who flip from "no" to "yes," the bill will be defeated. Bart Stupak's coalition of pro-life Democrats is larger than many had assumed. While Stupak has claimed to have a dozen members willing to flip from "yes" to "no," most Democrats assumed he only had five. I think Stupak has at least nine Democrats in his coalition. Yes, I know politicians can go back on their word, but House leadership is still frantically trying to cut a deal with Stupak, which indicates they don't have the votes. The Stupak coalition includes: 1. Bart Stupak (Mich.) 2. Dan Lipinski (Ill.) 3. Joe Donnelly (Ind.) 4. Kathy Dahlkemper (Pa.) 5. Jerry Costello (Ill.) 6. Steve Driehaus (Ohio) 7. Marion Berry (Ark.) 8. Brad Ellsworth (Ind.) (He's given mixed signals, but it would be hard to break from Donnelly/win the general Senate election while abandoning Stupak.) 9. Nick Rahall (W.V.) Rahall's announcement just today of an ultimatum on abortion makes it very difficult for fellow West Virginian Alan Mollohan to vote for the bill. Other potential members of the Stupak coalition: * Henry Cuellar (Tex.) has given mixed signals. * Marcy Kaptur has given mixed signals, but her latest remarks make it seem that she might stick with Stupak. * Chris Carney (Pa.) had a strong statement about opposing federal funding of abortion but didn't specify whether he was talking about Stupak. * I'm pretty sure Jim Oberstar sold out, but this report indicates there's a chance he might care more about stopping taxpayer-funding of abortion than keeping his Transportation Committee chairmanship. So Stupak could very easily have 10 to 12 (or more!) Democrats in his coalition. And Michael Arcuri (N.Y.), Zack Space (Ohio), Earl Pomeroy (N.D.), Stephen Lynch (Mass.), and others may vote against the bill for reasons other than abortion. So the group of "yes" to "no" votes is bigger than the group of "no" to "yes" votes at this point. If Pelosi doesn't have the votes without Stupak, is there a chance she can cut a deal with him at the last minute? It's unlikely. Stupak said today that there has been talk about running a "corrections" bill to add in his amendment. A corrections bill would take place outside of reconciliation, and would simply amend the Senate bill to include his amendment. It would require 60 votes in the Senate and 216 votes in the House (if I'm not mistaken). So there are no objections to the "Byrd rule." While a corrections bill is procedurally feasible, it may be politically impossible, as KLo points out here. The only way Stupak could get an ironclad guarantee that the Senate won't pull out the rug from underneath him is for the Senate to act first. But, even if all 39 Republicans opposed to abortion-funding in the Senate voted for a corrections bill to add in the Stupak amendment, 21 Democrats would have to join them. That's probably not going to happen. Only 7 Democratic senators voted for the Senate's version of the Stupak amendment in December. Who are the 14 who will flip to approve the Stupak amendment this time around? One danger is that Senate Republicans might threaten to vote against a corrections bill. But why not let pro-choice Democrats in the Senate and the House box-in the pro-life Democrats? If the Senate did pass a corrections bill, Pelosi would end up losing the votes of staunch pro-choice House members like Jan Schakowsky, Rosa DeLauro, Diana Degette. Which is why talk of a corrections bill is probably just bluster from Pelosi. She still doesn't have the votes. SOURCE Murron  posted on  2010-03-19   15:23:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: Murron (#10) I don't follow this stuff much so please answer me this: why are they voting on a Sunday? Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-19   15:26:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: Fred Mertz (#12) I don't follow this stuff much so please answer me this: why are they voting on a Sunday? I can only guess why they vote on Sunday. Maybe because no one is paying much attention to what's going down on a Sunday, anything can happen when it's done in secret. Why would anyone protest in Washington on a week-end when there's no one there to hear or see them? They do these things because they get away with them, who's to stop them? jmo! Murron  posted on  2010-03-19   15:38:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Murron (#13) Why would anyone protest in Washington on a week-end when there's no one there to hear or see them? When was the last time a March on Washington wasn't on a weekend? Million man march? war  posted on  2010-03-19   15:47:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: war (#17) When was the last time a March on Washington wasn't on a weekend? Million man march? I remember that march, there was maybe a little over '800,000' who showed (give or take)... And what were they protesting? Taxes, over reaching government thugs, liberties, freedom, gun rights, police power, government spending???? NO! They were there demanding more free handouts and intitlements paid for by the taxpayers..it wasn't about the state of this nation, their march was for selfish reasons, it was about RACE and what they could get for free. Their numbers come nowhere near the numbers of Angry, taxpaying Americans who will be marhing in the near future!jmho! Murron  posted on  2010-03-19   16:12:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: Murron (#19) Gotta love the first amendment. war  posted on  2010-03-19   16:19:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: war (#21) Gotta love the first amendment. I do, more than you know. But I don't want an over-powering government that takes from the working class, and gives to those who don't earn it, or because they're of another race. There are just some things worth fighting for, worth dying for.... Murron  posted on  2010-03-19   16:23:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: Murron (#23) or because they're of another race. You've obviously either misspoken or lent your login to padlock. war  posted on  2010-03-19   17:38:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: war (#28) You've obviously either misspoken or lent your login to padlock. Oh yeah? And obviously the signs and T-shirts stating "Kill Whitey" was a figment of my imagination....what rock do you have your head under? Murron  posted on  2010-03-19   18:19:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: Murron (#29) (Edited) Is this another one of your "Founding Fathers were terrorists" moments? war  posted on  2010-03-19   18:28:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #32. To: war (#30) Is this another one of your "Founding Fathers were terrosists" moments? I haven't the foggiest what you're talking about, and I don't think you do either. Murron  posted on  2010-03-19   18:30:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: Murron (#32) war has a "thing" for black men. dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-19   19:03:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: dont eat that (#34) war has a "thing" for black men. Then maybe I should let the 'black men' in my family know, I'm sure they'd get thrill out of him too....LOL! Murron  posted on  2010-03-19   19:06:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: Murron (#35) I have Padlock on bozo...this is his way of acting out. But when I was in college, guys like padlock called me a nigger for my relationship with a black girl. He'd do the same to the blacks in your family, too. war  posted on  2010-03-19   19:09:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: war (#36) I have Padlock on bozo...this is his way of acting out. But when I was in college, guys like padlock called me a nigger for my relationship with a black girl. He'd do the same to the blacks in your family, too. I have a g-son 16yrs old, he stand 6'2'', It would give me great pleasure if someone like padlock would call him the n word....his father was a Quarterback at Cumberland College, is a graduate of KU, a masters and bachlors(sp?) in Computer Technology, wonder what padlock does for a living...shovel shit? Murron  posted on  2010-03-19   19:31:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: Murron (#37) Don't let war fool you. He loves anti-white militant black men and has demonstrated it many times. He says blacks like Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell are self hating blacks. I would never criticize black men like that. dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-19   20:26:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 38. #39. To: dont eat that (#38) He says blacks like Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell are self hating blacks. I know the kind, it's that kind of 'keep them down on the plantation' metality that two-bit race hustlers just love....our family knows who they are, and see right through them. Murron  posted on  2010-03-19 20:54:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 38. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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