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Title: CBO: Health-care reform bill cuts deficit by $1.3 trillion over 20 years, covers 95%
Source: Washington Post
URL Source: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ez ... ealth-care_reform_bill_cu.html
Published: Mar 18, 2010
Author: Ezar Klein
Post Date: 2010-03-18 12:06:22 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 266
Comments: 40

Washington has spent the past week or so waiting for the Congressional Budget Office to release its preliminary estimate of the Senate bill with the reconciliation fixes. Not only are those numbers important for the debate, but Democratic leaders refuse to release the actual text of their changes until CBO releases the specifics of its analysis.

According to a Democratic source, CBO has finished its work and will release the official preliminary score later today. But here are the basic numbers: The bill will cost $940 billion over the first 10 years and reduce the deficit by $130 billion during that period. In the second 10 years -- so, 2020 to 2029 -- it will reduce the deficit by $1.2 trillion. The legislation will cover 32 million Americans, or 95 percent of the legal population.

To put this in context, that's more deficit reduction than either the House or Senate bill, and more coverage than the Senate bill.

How they got these numbers, and whether there are important qualifiers, will be easier to say once CBO releases its analysis. But the bottom line is that this is the exact sort of score that Democrats wanted, and is in fact considerably better than some had come to expect they would receive. Coverage is better than the Senate bill, which will reassure liberals, and deficit reduction is better than either bill, which will reassure conservatives.

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#1. To: dont eat that, war, badeye, fred mertz, brian s (#0)

Obviously all those Republicans who voted for Medicare Part D expansion, funded via hundreds of billions of dollars of additional borrowing, will support a bill that actually cuts the deficit, won't they?

Or do Republicans only support bills that expand the deficit?

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-03-18   12:07:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: go65 (#1)

The numbers being thrown about by Hoyer and Pelosi this morning are flat out LIES, GO65.

The CBO has no numbers to report, because it hasn't seen this bill.

Which of course renders meaningless your comments above, for the time being.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-18   12:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: go65 (#1)

Anyone who really thinks this bill will cut the deficit is too stupid to be allowed to vote.

For one thing, It's like me stealing 1000 dollars from you and declaring I've saved you 1000 dollars in spending.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-18   12:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Badeye, war (#2)

The CBO has no numbers to report, because it hasn't seen this bill.

Wrong as usual:

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/113xx/doc11355/hr4872.pdf

Although estimates on that basis have been completed for most of the provisions of the reconciliation proposal, CBO does not yet have such an estimate for all of its provisions. By CBO’s estimate, the provisions that have been analyzed so far would reduce deficits by $82 billion over the 2010-2019 period (see Table 6).

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-03-18   12:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: go65 (#4)

CBO does not yet have such an estimate for all of its provisions.

actually, it demonstrates I'm right, as usual.

(laughing)

Too easy.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-18   12:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Gen'rul Boofer, go65 (#5) (Edited)

You said that the CBO has NO NUMBERS to report. You were shown that they have SOME NUMBERS to report.

Unless "no" has ceased to mean "an absence of any and all" you are wrong, as usual.

Too easy.

(laughing)

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war  posted on  2010-03-18   12:54:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Badeye, go65 (#2)

The CBO has no numbers to report,

Liar.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-18   12:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Fred Mertz (#7)

Sorry, you still aren't worth a lie to me, ethel. I know, it hurts your fragile ego being told this so many times over the years. Yell upstairs for mommy to send down some more juice and cookies.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-18   12:59:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Leave It To Boofer (#8) (Edited)

Yell upstairs for mommy to send down some more juice and cookies.

Why? You hungry and thirsty, Boof?

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war  posted on  2010-03-18   13:00:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Badeye (#5)

actually, it demonstrates I'm right, as usual.

Give me a freaking break, you village idiot.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-18   13:00:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Fred Mertz (#10)

Where's the official CBO plan, momma's boy? Is it hiding next to you in her basement?

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-18   13:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Leave It To Boofer, Fred Mertz (#11)

Where's the official CBO plan

CBO doesn't draw up plans. It analyzes the cost of legislation, dumbfuck.

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war  posted on  2010-03-18   13:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Badeye (#11)

[Badlies] The CBO has no numbers to report, because it hasn't seen this bill.

Eat your own words, boteye.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-18   13:05:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Fred Mertz (#13)

"No" must mean "some" on Planet Boof...

Either that or he's a dumbfuck.

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war  posted on  2010-03-18   13:06:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Fred Mertz (#13)

CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE Douglas W. Elmendorf, Director U.S. Congress Washington, DC 20515 March 18, 2010 Honorable Nancy Pelosi Speaker U.S. House of Representatives Washington, DC 20515

Dear Madam Speaker: The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) have completed a preliminary estimate of the direct spending and revenue effects of an amendment in the nature of a substitute to H.R. 4872, the Reconciliation Act of 2010; that amendment (hereafter called “the reconciliation proposal”) was made public on March 18, 2010. The estimate is presented in three ways: h23; An estimate of the budgetary effects of the reconciliation proposal, in combination with the effects of H.R. 3590, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), as passed by the Senate;1 h23; An estimate of the incremental effects of the reconciliation proposal, over and above the effects of enacting H.R. 3590 by itself; h23; An estimate of the budgetary impact of the reconciliation proposal under the assumption that H.R. 3590 is not enacted (that is, an estimate of the bill’s impact relative to current law as of today). Although CBO completed a preliminary review of legislative language prior to its release, the agency has not thoroughly examined the reconciliation proposal to verify its consistency with the previous draft. This estimate is therefore preliminary, pending a review of the language of the reconciliation proposal, as well as further review and refinement of the budgetary projections. The reconciliation proposal includes provisions related to health care and revenues, many of which would amend H.R. 3590. It also includes amendments to the Higher Education Act of 1965, which authorizes most federal programs involving postsecondary education. 1An estimate by CBO and JCT of the direct spending and revenue effects of H.R. 3590 as passed by the Senate was provided in a letter to the Honorable Harry Reid on March 11, 2010. That estimate is available at www.cbo.gov (and JCT’s detailed table of revenue

Wanna rethink that last one, dumbass?

(laughing)

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-18   13:07:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: All (#15)

Although CBO completed a preliminary review of legislative language prior to its release, the agency has not thoroughly examined the reconciliation proposal to verify its consistency with the previous draft. This estimate is therefore preliminary,

The only liars so far are Hoyer, Pelosi, and of course those in the forum pretending the CBO has issued a document thats taken everything into account.

As you can see from the above, FROM THE CBO, they have NOT.

Game, set and match.

We can debate this when the CBO gets the information it requires, and then issues a final report. That won't be happening anytime this week from what I can tell.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-18   13:09:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: war (#14)

"No" must mean "some" on Planet Boof...

Yeah. If he knew how to use the edit feature he might be able to at least try to correct his ignorant statement...but NO!

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-18   13:10:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Gen'rul Boofer, go65, Fred Mertz (#16) (Edited)

those in the forum pretending the CBO has issued a document thats [sic you fucking moron] taken everything into account.

No one here has pretended that.

Someone here has pretended that they haven't issued ANY analysis.

That moron would be you, Boofer.

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war  posted on  2010-03-18   13:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Fred Mertz (#17)

You can blow my anti groupie all day long in the forum, but the bottom line remains the CBO hasn't issued a report on the fiscal impact of this insane bill, as I've noted all morning long.

Game, set and match.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-18   13:12:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Fred Mertz (#10)

Give me a freaking break, you village idiot.

It's part of the Neocon mating call. An integral part of how they find each other on the internet. lolol

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-18   13:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Badeye (#16)

...and of course those in the forum pretending the CBO has issued a document thats (sic) taken everything into account.

Like who, Boofer?

Your (sic) lame...(chuckle)

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-18   13:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Gen'rul Boofer, Fred Mertz (#19)

You can try to parse your orginal statement until its down to the size of your own shriveled dick but it's not going to change the fact that What you originally claimed was 100% horsehit and what you are claiming that we have stated is something other than what it is.

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war  posted on  2010-03-18   13:15:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Badeye (#11)

Where's the official CBO plan, momma's boy? Is it hiding next to you in her basement?

Official CBO plan? What are you talking about?

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-03-18   13:15:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: war (#22)

This is like fishing in a barrel...

/boof

(laughing)

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-18   13:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: war, fred mertz, brian s, badeye, dont eat that (#22) (Edited)

So we're at a point where the Congress has a simple decision to make:

1. Pass the bills and spend $940 billion over 10 years while extending insurance to 95% of the country

2. Don't pass the bills and spend $1,070 billion over 10 years under existing law while the number of uninsured continues to rise.

That's it. There are no other alternatives at the moment, and given the GOP has flatly stated it will oppose any attempts to cut Medicare spending, in the event the GOP takes over Congress in the fall, the spending will continue to rise.

So will the GOP pick the bigger or smaller spending approach?

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-03-18   13:18:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Fred Mertz (#24)

ROFLMAO...

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war  posted on  2010-03-18   13:19:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Badeye (#8)

Sorry, you still aren't worth a lie to me, ethel. I know, it hurts your fragile ego being told this so many times over the years. Yell upstairs for mommy to send down some more juice and cookies.

Sorry, I'm going to refrain from joining in on the name calling. But the simple fact is that you said the CBO had no numbers to report when in fact they did report numbers.

Meaning, you are wrong.

You'd alleviate a lot of the hostility around here if you'd simply admit when you are wrong instead of squirming and attacking others.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-03-18   13:20:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: go65 (#27)

You'd alleviate a lot of the hostility around here if you'd simply admit when you are wrong instead of squirming and attacking others.

As if...

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war  posted on  2010-03-18   13:21:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: go65 (#27)

You'd alleviate a lot of the hostility around here if you'd simply admit when you are wrong instead of squirming and attacking others.

I even tried to school old fish lips on the edit feature here....but....no.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-03-18   13:23:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: go65 (#27)

“The Congressional Budget Office has confirmed that there is currently no official cost estimate. Yet House Democrats are touting to the press – and spinning for partisan gain – numbers that have not been released and are impossible to confirm," he said in a statement. "This is the latest outrageous exploitation by the Majority – in this case abusing the confidentiality of the [CBO] – to pass their massive health care overhaul at any cost."

The CBO has NOT released official numbers related to the healthcare bill.

Thats fact, GO65.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-18   13:31:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: All (#30)

The Congressional Budget Office has confirmed that there is currently no official cost estimate.

What part of this confused you on the Left?

Should I cut and paste it 'slower' for you to comprehend?

(laughing)

I've been right all morning on this. Yet some of you want to scream 'liar' or insinuate such.

Read the above til it sinks in. If you wish...POST THE CBO OFFICIAL REPORT.

If you can't post the CBO official report...game, set and match.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-18   13:33:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: go65 (#25)

The Congressional Budget Office has confirmed that there is currently no official cost estimate.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-18   13:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Badeye (#31)

You claimed the CBO has no numbers. That claim was false.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/113xx/doc11355/hr4872.pdf

Again, you are acting like a child.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-03-18   13:36:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: go65 (#33)

The Congressional Budget Office has confirmed that there is currently no official cost estimate.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-18   13:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Gen'rul Boofer (#32)

Keep pretending that's what you've been stating all along, Boof. No one here believes you.

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war  posted on  2010-03-18   13:37:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: war (#35)

Worth noting, this bill does more to reduce the long-term deficit than anything since Clinton's 1993 budget.

the GOP opposed that measure too.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-03-18   13:41:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: go65 (#36)

The Congressional Budget Office has confirmed that there is currently no official cost estimate.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-18   13:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Badeye (#37)

Sorry, not interested in playing your games.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-03-18   13:43:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: go65 (#36)

Has there been a political party since the Whigs which has been consistently on the wrong side of the history as much as the Post CRA GOP?

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war  posted on  2010-03-18   13:45:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: go65 (#38)

No game. The CBO hasn't released its view on the financial impact of the healthcare bill.

Just fact, GO65. Just because you don't like it, doesn't change the truthfulness of the statement.

We don't know what the impact will be. That said, its pretty obvious it will be over one (1) TRILLION dollars.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-18   13:48:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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