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I'm here for the moneuy Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Bible Study See other Bible Study Articles Title: Bible Help Source: [None] URL Source: [None] Published: Feb 11, 2024 Author: Vicomte13 Post Date: 2024-02-11 10:25:51 by Vicomte13 Keywords: None Views: 3857 Comments: 37 I've decided that it's time to offer my services for deep reading and interpreting of passages of the Bible. I have exhaustively read the Bible in English, Middle English and French, and have studies portions of it Latin, Koine Greek and Ancient Hebrew, including reading the ancient Hebrew pictographs. I did so for a simple reason: I'm alive because of God - 3 unambiguous episodes, and 6 other circumstances where God intervened to save my life. I have spoken with God on occasion, particularly during two 40-day water fasts. I know God exists, through direct personal contact. The scientific nature of God? Well, God never told me that he is the powers of nature. All that I know for certain is that he can read my thoughts and manipulate my physical body (including by healing it). In my thoughts, I extend this command over local nature, and the fact of intelligence, to control of the cosmos. God never told me that, but that's my logic and assumption. Now, the religious texts of the world, therefore, interest me. God exists, do these texts give any insight into him? In the West, we have the Bible. People here know it. I know it so well, so deeply BECAUSE I have looked through it, not for faith in God - I know God exists - but for factual details. As such, certain things in the text particularly interested me: the Genesis accounts, the Flood, the story of the Nephilim, the "soul", "Thou shall not kill...or murder", "Haaretz" - the land, the world?, "ha olam" and "ha slam va ed" (to.a distant time or forever?), "Kosmos", "Gehenna", "Sheol", the criteria for the afterlife, charity, Jesus on his return, "Spirit", "breath" and "wind" (Reach). These are the subjects that fascinate ME, and into which, therefore, I have placed the focus of my studies. I CAN, however, apply the same deep examination techniques to any part of the Bible. Just because these things fascinate me does not mean that they are the things that fascinate others So, if there is a particular aspect of the Bible that you want me to do a deep dive on, something that puzzles you, that you would like to hear an analysis of, reach out to me here and tell me. I will do an analysis and tell you what I see there. It may give you guidance, comfort, or something disturbing to think about. I have no agenda, just the ability to do deep study in multiple languages. That is all. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 6. #1. To: Vicomte13 (#0) I missed this one. Where is praying to Mary in the Bible? Here this may help you. A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-12   0:06:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: A K A Stone (#1) Praying to Mary isn't in the Bible. People do it because of a logic tree they have built up. God apparently favors Mary greatly, because of the healings at Lourdes where she appeared in the 1830s, with a cascade of healings ever since. So, Mary has been a way to bring people to God. Fine by me. I don't care. I also am not going to sit and mumble rosaries, etc. Not my speed. Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-12   14:13:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Vicomte13 (#3) People do it because of a logic tree they have built up. God apparently favors Mary greatly, because of the healings at Lourdes where she appeared in the 1830s She didn't appear in the 1830's. That sounds like some cult shit. Mary is dead and doesn't hear shit. If when Mary was alive someone asked for her to pray for them. I'm sure that would have been beneficial. Mary was a sinner like the rest of us. I'd say she sinned less than many or most. That would be a guess though. A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-12   20:01:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 6. #7. To: A K A Stone (#6) It's nice that you assert with such certitude things you cannot possibly know. Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-12 22:30:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: A K A Stone (#6) (Edited) The dead aren’t dead, they’re with God. The Bible tells you that the witch of Endor raised Samuel’s shade to speak with Saul - and condemn him. And of course several dead people were raised from the dead. At least 5, by my count. Their spirits were somewhere to come back from. In any event, Paul was a far worse sinner than anything we know about Mary. Jesus never rebuked Mary for her sins, but Paul actively persecuted Christians. These things are not (the rebukes) and are (the persecutions) in the Bible. The most troubling aspect of Paul is his espousing of doctrines that are the opposite of what Jesus said or did. For example, Paul prohibited women to teach, and this ugly doctrine is espoused by many churches today. But Jesus used the Samaritan women to preach and teach to her people, converting the whole town. You have to decide who you’re going to follow, and what many Churches do is decide to follow Paul, and to not even see Jesus doing the opposite. This, they say, is upholding the Bible, but it isn’t. BOTH things are in the Bible. Some Christians CHOOSE to follow Paul’s example instead of Jesus ‘s. Then they lie and say there is no conflict. Yes, there is. It is clear as day. If you choose to follow Paul instead of Jesus, why call yourself a “Christian”? You’re a Paulist. In his letter to the Romans, Paul espoused the doctrine that Luther took to be “faith alone”. It was Luther who added that word “alone” to his translation of the Bible - it’s not there in the actual text. Still, Paul is very clear: faith in Jesus, and specifically in his death and resurrection, are the ONLY way to Heaven, according to Paul. That’s the central feature of his teaching. But Jesus clearly stated how he will judge the people of all nations in the tale of the sheep and the goats. The charitable get Heaven, and the uncharitable get Hell. He even made the point in that judgment of the people being judged saying “we didn’t see you;” - we don’t know you - but they are sent to Heaven because of their charity, NOT their faith. James said “faith without works is dead,” and Paul said works are unavailing, but Jesus in his plain speaking of his own judgment of the world did not include faith AT ALL in his judgment. He says he will judge all - all the nations - based on the sole criteria of the charity they did or did not do: Works ALONE, the very opposite of Paul. This is in the Bible for all to see. It’s a seam. And you must decide. This is why I say “Jesus Alone”, because in the story HE is the Son of God, the King, and the final judge. Not Paul, not James, not John. So, where THEY say something that opposes what Jesus said, or that opposes what each other says (James vs Paul on works), or (John vs. James on degrees of sin), a Bible Alone person is faced with a welter of contradictions, and really only one clear Biblical way to resolve it: to remember that Jesus in the text is the only begotten son of God, the King and judge, so he is the highest authority - higher than the apostles (Jesus reminds everybody of this when he says that the pupil is not above his master). Jesus is not ABOVE Yahweh, he carries the authority of Yahweh, and he comes later in time. So Jesus’s fulfilling of the law, which includes changing whole swathes of it, does not set up the same tensions as Paul, John and James do. There is a parallel, in that Jesus replaces whole elements of the law - which Yahweh never said was “forever” - ha olam means “to a distant unknown time, not forever. If you insist that the English translation of ha olam as “forever” is the inspired word of God, then you have created for yourself an impossible contradiction between Yahweh’s laws, said by your English translation to be FOREVER, and Jesus’s overt changing of many of those laws. You have a choice: you can double down on your English translation, and have this naked contradiction, and then be intellectually dishonest and lie and say “There is no contradiction”, when clearly there is. OR you can go back, read the Hebrew saying what it says - ha olam - to an indistinct future time- and realize that that time came 1500 years later with Jesus. Then there is no contradiction, and Jesus, as Son of God, King and Supreme Judge has the authority to state the law. And he did. There’s no seam or contradiction if you read the Hebrew exactly. But if you won’t - if you pridefully assert something about English translation there, you end up with the contradictions raised by the bad translation into English of key phrases. Now, the same problem arises between Jesus, who spoke earlier, and whose judgment of the world, by his own words, is based on works of charity, and Paul, James, and John contradict him and each other. So, then, are we left with a mess? Yes, IF you assert that the BIBLE ITSELF is the highest authority, then it’s a matter of picking and choosing what one pleases, and dishonestly ignoring the parts you don’t agree with, like Martin Luther did when he called James “an epistle of straw” and wanted to take it out of the Bible. OR you can read the statement of authority IN the Bible, realize that it says Jesus is King and final judge, ABOVE the apostles, and that wherever, therefore, they contradict him, they are always to be disregarded in favor of Jesus. This is obviously correct on the text itself, so why doesn’t everybody do it? Simple, really. Paul is easier. All you have to do is believe in something. Jesus is more demanding. He gets into your money and property and makes you poorer, by sound mandatory charity as the only way to get to Heaven. Belief is easy. Charity costs money and time and is hard. So every sort of effort is expended by the religious to have an easy code on their head that says if they just think something, they’re in, and then fight about those details. But Jesus said you have to do charitable works, and THAT is the criteria by which he will judge the world. Lots of “Christians” hate that idea SO BADLY - it forces them to be nice and to spend lots of money; they would rather think things and be pious. But it’s actually all right there IN the Bible. Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-13 09:48:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 6. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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