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I'm here for the moneuy Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Bible Study See other Bible Study Articles Title: Bible Help Source: [None] URL Source: [None] Published: Feb 11, 2024 Author: Vicomte13 Post Date: 2024-02-11 10:25:51 by Vicomte13 Keywords: None Views: 4004 Comments: 37 I've decided that it's time to offer my services for deep reading and interpreting of passages of the Bible. I have exhaustively read the Bible in English, Middle English and French, and have studies portions of it Latin, Koine Greek and Ancient Hebrew, including reading the ancient Hebrew pictographs. I did so for a simple reason: I'm alive because of God - 3 unambiguous episodes, and 6 other circumstances where God intervened to save my life. I have spoken with God on occasion, particularly during two 40-day water fasts. I know God exists, through direct personal contact. The scientific nature of God? Well, God never told me that he is the powers of nature. All that I know for certain is that he can read my thoughts and manipulate my physical body (including by healing it). In my thoughts, I extend this command over local nature, and the fact of intelligence, to control of the cosmos. God never told me that, but that's my logic and assumption. Now, the religious texts of the world, therefore, interest me. God exists, do these texts give any insight into him? In the West, we have the Bible. People here know it. I know it so well, so deeply BECAUSE I have looked through it, not for faith in God - I know God exists - but for factual details. As such, certain things in the text particularly interested me: the Genesis accounts, the Flood, the story of the Nephilim, the "soul", "Thou shall not kill...or murder", "Haaretz" - the land, the world?, "ha olam" and "ha slam va ed" (to.a distant time or forever?), "Kosmos", "Gehenna", "Sheol", the criteria for the afterlife, charity, Jesus on his return, "Spirit", "breath" and "wind" (Reach). These are the subjects that fascinate ME, and into which, therefore, I have placed the focus of my studies. I CAN, however, apply the same deep examination techniques to any part of the Bible. Just because these things fascinate me does not mean that they are the things that fascinate others So, if there is a particular aspect of the Bible that you want me to do a deep dive on, something that puzzles you, that you would like to hear an analysis of, reach out to me here and tell me. I will do an analysis and tell you what I see there. It may give you guidance, comfort, or something disturbing to think about. I have no agenda, just the ability to do deep study in multiple languages. That is all. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 37. #13. To: Vicomte13 (#0) Can you give your thoughts on these verses from Proverbs chapter 26? 1As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, so honour is not seemly for a fool. 2As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come. 3A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. 4Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. 6He that sendeth a message by the hand of a fool cutteth off the feet, and drinketh damage. 7The legs of the lame are not equal: so is a parable in the mouth of fools. 8As he that bindeth a stone in a sling, so is he that giveth honour to a fool. 9As a thorn goeth up into the hand of a drunkard, so is a parable in the mouth of fools. 10The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors. 11As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. 12Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-13   21:17:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: A K A Stone (#13) Sure: the author doesn't like fools. Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-13   21:31:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: All (#14) Here is an example of what I mean by flat out contradictions in the Bible. In Luke 24, Jesus says this: “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." Written WHERE? None of that is anywhere in the Hebrew Old Testament. That is Christian belief, stated by Christ, but what he says "is written" is NOT, in fact, written ANYWHERE in the Old Testament. The Bible is shot through with these contradictions. It isn't surprising that a book composed of books, written over the course of hundreds of years by different authors, none of whom had the whole collection of books we call "the Bible", come up with a welter of contradictions, write things that contradict other things that are written. The assertion of some Protestants that God gave us the Bible perfect - the problem with that is passages like this, where Jesus himself says that the Jewish Scriptures say that the Messiah will be killed and rise from the dead on the third day. That is not anywhere in the Hebrew Scriptures. But Jesus says outright that it is. That's either a lie, or a statement from ignorance. It is not possible for me to simply overlook things like that because I want to believe. I don't want to believe so badly that I will ignore obvious error and deceit. If you want to argue with me, it's really easy: cite the old testament passage that says that the Messiah will be killed and rise from the dead, on the third day, and preach reptentance to the whole world starting at Jerusalem. Go ahead, cite it. I'll wait. Crickets. Crickets. More crickets. Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-14   21:30:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: Vicomte13 (#15) The Bible is shot through with these contradictions. So says the man who says God is Satan and Jesus isn't God. You also said Jesus is Good. But Jesus said there is none good but God. Jesus was obviously referring to himself as well as the father. But you reject that and say you only believe Jesus's words. So according to you Jesus is Good but he says he isn't. Stick that in yur pipe. He actually says he is because he is God. A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-14   22:45:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: A K A Stone (#22) (Edited) Yes, Jesus said he isn't God, only the Father is. And he said that only God is good. Ok. That's not a contradiction. He also says that he was sent by God, to bring God's message. That message is good, and Jesus is a faithful servant, so yes, Jesus says things that are good, and they come from God, so they are good. You love to insult me every other post. It smells of desperation to me. You could just, you know, ask me to explain myself, like a civil human being would. But nope, you have to bray at me like a jackass. Ok. You keep doing you. And I'll keep on responding to you with knowledge, though I get progressively less polite the more I am treated with contempt by a braying jackass. I could be persuaded with reason and fact. You've presented some facts, but they don't prove the point you're trying to make. For example, the fact that these ancient books were mentioned is interesting. But to assert that they contained whatever is missing from the Bible, that's just making things up, and it shows the lack of perfection of the Bible, which you have said is preserved by God and is letter perfect. It's clearly NOT perfectly preserved by God if Jesus says something that cannot be found anywhere in it, and you have to go to lost books and claim those as the sources. That's actually pretty devastating to your argument about perfection, as any objective person would see. But then you just get mad and start hurling insults at me. In olden times, your church would have burned me as a heretic. But you can't do that anymore, because you have become weaker and weaker with time. Calling me names annoys me - given the time I have spent with you presenting you things, I certainly don't deserve that. As I've said, you COULD ask me politely what I mean. But you just hurl insults like thunderbolts. That's not very...Christian...or at any rate it's not very Jesus like. You like to say I am satanic. You appear to me to be much moreso than I am. I ask questions about the accuracy of the book. There is no doubt in my mind about God - my doubt is that this book properly describes him. You ascribe what I say to satan and hurl at me. Ok. Maybe it were best if we just stopped this, then. If you cannot speak to me with proper respect, why should I keep trying. I'm not going to descend into the gutter with you and start screaming "Fuckwad!" at you, and the like. That's poor manners, and I'm not really that angry, just tired of the insults, and sad that we cannot ever get past them. Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-15   11:31:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #34. To: Vicomte13 (#28) But you can't do that anymore, because you have become weaker and weaker with time. Calling me names annoys me - given the time I have spent with you presenting you things, I certainly don't deserve that. As I've said, you COULD ask me politely what I mean. But you just hurl insults like thunderbolts. That's not very...Christian...or at any rate it's not very Jesus like. That is kind of fair enough. Except you do the same thing in my view. I don't think I have ever used the words you are satanic. I don't even claim you are going to hell. For all I know you are saved. I don't think you have to be absolutely correct on everything to be saved. Besides doesn't the Bible teach not to claim to know if someone is saved or not. That is a paraphrase. Also thanks for the time and thought you put into your posts. It is very considerate of you. Time is precious. Thanks again for your time. A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-15   12:08:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #37. To: A K A Stone (#34) Ok. Well, if I AM insulting, or have been, I am sorry for it and I'll just stop. I get irritated by the tone of the challenges. It's not that I am trying to undermine the Bible, or anything. I believe there is divine inspiration there. But then I come to things that are just plain awful, like certain of the laws of God in the Torah. They are so MORALLY offensive that I cannot accept that God wants that of us, and if he DID, I'm not going to do that - I am disgusted he would ask. Killing rape victims and taking virgins as sex slaves is pretty damned barbaric, as is burning witches. It seems outright Satanic. Did God REALLY say that? My best answer is "Maybe he did, but those laws were for a very primitive, barbaric people, and they were actually BETTER than the prevailing barbarism all around, which included all of those things, plus slaughtering your kids as offerings to the gods." And also there is the problem of Jesus changing all those laws. He said he was not ABOLISHING the law, and there is a lot in the law that is good - like the forgiveness of debt - but Jesus definitely DOES overthrow the food laws, and the law of killing adulteresses, and similar laws - really barbaric ones. He presents a much more civilized view for a more civilized age, though not WHOLLY civilized, since it DID kill him and almost all of his disciples. Jesus appears to have directly defied what Yahweh said in Deuteronomy, and SHOULD have been killed under that law. Is that REALLY what God wants? And the 6000 year old earth, in which I see the dinosaur bones. Really? So instead of rejecting it all, as the atheists do, and throwing it on the dungheap, I said "Wait a minute, is this REALLY what it says?" So I looked at the Greek, and at the Hebrew. I don't have to speak the ancient Hebrew language fluently to be able to study and read key words, and for Genesis, the hieroglyphs. And I discover, to my amazement, that no, God DID NOT SAY "forever". The conflict that IS there in the medieval English translations actually IS NOT THERE in the Hebrew. For God said "ha olam" and "ha olam va ed", "to the horizon", "to the indistinct", and "to the horizon after the horizon". And that ain't forever. What? "To the forever after forever"? Please. No, it means "until we don't know when", and "for a long time". Ok. Well, it was a long time from the Torah to Jesus, but then Jesus came and amended the barbarism that God allowed for utterly barbaric creatures, and made the law BETTER. He could do that, because he was the son of God, and Moses NEVER SAID that the law was the law FOREVER - he only said, led by God, "to a distant time". That time came with Jesus, now we're under the law of Jesus. Sure, Jesus referred back to the Torah, and upheld much of it, and those parts he changed fulfilled it, completed it. BUT he COULDN'T DO THAT if the laws given by Moses were "forever", like the Bible says they were, in English. And that's my point. The Bible says that in English, but it does NOT say that in the Hebrew. The Hebrew permits what happened, the English, translated 1600 and 3400 years later, does not. The English is simply wrong - it is misleading. And virtually all of my heartburn with Protestants is that they insist on the FOREVER of the English, because THAT makes God a monster. But I look into the text and I see God as reasonable, working with man as we are. Very barbaric in a barbaric age, whom God renders much less so with his laws, and then good with what Jesus gave us, though the barbarians of HIS age killed him, transforming him into something that changed the world. THAT is my point. That has always been my point. And Genesis? In the Hebrew scriptures, read on the surface and with the hieroglyphs, well that DOES show what actually happened, as described by science, and it IS very sophisticated - so much so that it literally shows the authorship of God. I try to show this, to Christians, and they call me a heathen because I do not take the English of 1611 literally. But how CAN I, given that that same English suggests by "forever" that the Jewish authorities were RIGHT to kill Jesus for blasphemy? I do not seek to destroy the Bible - I'm not an atheist nor even an agnostic. Nor am I seeking to change the Bible because "I want to sin", one the of accusations hurled against me. No, what I am doing is UPLIFTING the Bible against the medieval minds that are afraid of modernity and science. Actually, the Bible STANDS with modern science in terms of the origins - thought not with the Young Earthers - the text really doesn't say that, and that's a GOOD thing, because if it DID, then it would be wrong. The actual Hebrew, read deeply and carefully, without jamming down medieval English on top of the Hebrew, allows for exactly what science said happened. That's IN the Bible. And given that it was written thousands of years ago, it CAN'T be - but it is. And THAT proves that God inspired it directly. THAT is what I am doing, trying to show the Truth of what is there. Against me are the atheists, who says (wrongly) it's all crap. And the religionists. The Catholics say "fine", but that's not important. What's important is what they say is important. Whatever. And the hard core fundamentalist Protestants? They scream that I am wrong, because I assault their medieval English translation. But I HAVE TO, because if IT were true, Jesus was a blasphemer. But since it's NOT true, thank God!, and the Hebrew is much sharper than that, I need to say so. This makes people mad, because I'm breaking their idol. Yes, I guess I am, but this doesn't break the Bible. It means that understanding it requires more work than just pointing at a specific translation. A great translation COULD avoid these issues, but that hasn't been made yet. If I won the lottery, I would commission it, and boy what I commissioned would be THOROUGH. Anyway, that is where I am actually come from. I am no atheist nor an agnostic. I am deeply educated in natural science, and I think the evidence indicates that that's what happened. And when I read Genesis, CAREFULLY, not on the surface, applying the true meaning of the words, and reading the underlying hieroglyphs, I find a fractal of such complexity, and accuracy!, that it openly proves God - there is no way that ancient men could have written this unaided, and for the phonetic overlay work hand in glove with the pictographic letters themselves. I have no desire to kill the Bible, or the Church, for that matter. But I can't look the other way when what is asserted about the Bible is wrong, and I can't ignore crimes and horrors committed by people I like, and those people have to own up to it, both is the interpretations and the crimes, because otherwise the Church is destroyed and faith in God is weakened. And that's a tragedy, because God is real. Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-15   14:33:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 37.         There are no replies to Comment # 37. End Trace Mode for Comment # 37. 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