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I have spoken with God on occasion, particularly during two 40-day water fasts. I know God exists, through direct personal contact. The scientific nature of God? Well, God never told me that he is the powers of nature. All that I know for certain is that he can read my thoughts and manipulate my physical body (including by healing it). In my thoughts, I extend this command over local nature, and the fact of intelligence, to control of the cosmos. God never told me that, but that's my logic and assumption. Now, the religious texts of the world, therefore, interest me. God exists, do these texts give any insight into him? In the West, we have the Bible. People here know it. I know it so well, so deeply BECAUSE I have looked through it, not for faith in God - I know God exists - but for factual details. As such, certain things in the text particularly interested me: the Genesis accounts, the Flood, the story of the Nephilim, the "soul", "Thou shall not kill...or murder", "Haaretz" - the land, the world?, "ha olam" and "ha slam va ed" (to.a distant time or forever?), "Kosmos", "Gehenna", "Sheol", the criteria for the afterlife, charity, Jesus on his return, "Spirit", "breath" and "wind" (Reach). These are the subjects that fascinate ME, and into which, therefore, I have placed the focus of my studies. I CAN, however, apply the same deep examination techniques to any part of the Bible. Just because these things fascinate me does not mean that they are the things that fascinate others So, if there is a particular aspect of the Bible that you want me to do a deep dive on, something that puzzles you, that you would like to hear an analysis of, reach out to me here and tell me. I will do an analysis and tell you what I see there. It may give you guidance, comfort, or something disturbing to think about. I have no agenda, just the ability to do deep study in multiple languages. That is all. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 31. #13. To: Vicomte13 (#0) Can you give your thoughts on these verses from Proverbs chapter 26? 1As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, so honour is not seemly for a fool. 2As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come. 3A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. 4Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. 6He that sendeth a message by the hand of a fool cutteth off the feet, and drinketh damage. 7The legs of the lame are not equal: so is a parable in the mouth of fools. 8As he that bindeth a stone in a sling, so is he that giveth honour to a fool. 9As a thorn goeth up into the hand of a drunkard, so is a parable in the mouth of fools. 10The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors. 11As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. 12Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-13   21:17:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: A K A Stone (#13) Sure: the author doesn't like fools. Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-13   21:31:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: All (#14) Here is an example of what I mean by flat out contradictions in the Bible. In Luke 24, Jesus says this: “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." Written WHERE? None of that is anywhere in the Hebrew Old Testament. That is Christian belief, stated by Christ, but what he says "is written" is NOT, in fact, written ANYWHERE in the Old Testament. The Bible is shot through with these contradictions. It isn't surprising that a book composed of books, written over the course of hundreds of years by different authors, none of whom had the whole collection of books we call "the Bible", come up with a welter of contradictions, write things that contradict other things that are written. The assertion of some Protestants that God gave us the Bible perfect - the problem with that is passages like this, where Jesus himself says that the Jewish Scriptures say that the Messiah will be killed and rise from the dead on the third day. That is not anywhere in the Hebrew Scriptures. But Jesus says outright that it is. That's either a lie, or a statement from ignorance. It is not possible for me to simply overlook things like that because I want to believe. I don't want to believe so badly that I will ignore obvious error and deceit. If you want to argue with me, it's really easy: cite the old testament passage that says that the Messiah will be killed and rise from the dead, on the third day, and preach reptentance to the whole world starting at Jerusalem. Go ahead, cite it. I'll wait. Crickets. Crickets. More crickets. Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-14   21:30:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: Vicomte13 (#15) Smart people wait to say crickets and give people a chance to answer instead of just saying crickets. You don't believe God has the power to empower people to write down what he wills them to do. You believe God is more interested in raising rats and lizards from the dead as you have claimed you did or God did for you. Because you think God is more interested in stuff like that AND IS TO MUCH OF A WIMP TO PRESERVE HIS WORD. Meaning you lack faith in him. You are more interested in your false idols like a shroud that was tested I believe to be an age that doesn't line us with the Bible that you don't believe in. But you swear on radio carbon dating to date the fossils that were put there by the flood of Noah in the Holy Bible. The doctrine of Vic will never Trump Gods holy word. No matter how smart you think you are. Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Jonah 1:17 Context 14Wherefore they cried unto the LORD, and said, We beseech thee, O LORD, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man's life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O LORD, hast done as it pleased thee. 15So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging. 16Then the men feared the LORD exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the LORD, and made vows. 17Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights. Hosea 6:2 says,"He has struck us and He will bind up our wounds; after two days He will revive us, on the third day He will raise us up and we shall live in His Presence." Did you know some of the books were lost? 1. Book of the Wars of the Lord, Numbers 21:14 Therefore it is said in the Book of the Wars of the Lord, "Waheb in Suphah, and the valleys of the Arnon, 2. Book of Nathan the Prophet, 1 Chronicles 29:29 29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer, 3. Book of Gad the Seer, 1 Chronicles 29:29 29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer, 4. Story of Prophet Iddo, 2 Chronicles 13:22 22 And the rest of the acts of Abijah, and his ways, and his sayings, are written in the story of the prophet Iddo. A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-14   22:31:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: A K A Stone (#16) Yep, crickets. Jesus said "It is written..." so you go and quote the new testament to me. Was THAT written when Jesus said that? No. Only the Old Testament was written. Then you quote something about the dead being raise in Hoshea. Ok. Interesting. But is "He has struck us and He will bind up our wounds; after two days He will revive us, on the third day He will raise us up and we shall live in His Presence." the same as "This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." Nope. Not even close. Messiah? Repentance? Preaching to all the nations? Nope. Not there. It's about wounded being revived (it says wounded, not dead, but we'll pass there. Nothing about the Messiah). The other things you mentioned all have one thing in common: they're not in the Bible, so we don't know what they say. Could God not protect his word? Are we simply to imagine what books said? Meanwhile, we HAVE the Shroud of Turin, which is at least MENTIONED in the Gospels, and we have the healings at Lourdes, which have been recorded by the International Scientific Committee of medical doctors since the 1800s, but you won't acknowledge either one of them. Why do this? Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-15   10:59:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: Vicomte13 (#25) Luke would have had access to those books. So maybe that is what he was quoting from Maybe I'll study some more and get back with you on it. For more examples. But you cannot really rule out that it was in one of the "lost" books. There would be no other reason for him to write it is written, unless he had read it somewhere. You just brought this to my attention yesterday. So those are my initial thoughts. You are a good sport I will give you that. You ask hard questions. A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-15   11:32:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: A K A Stone (#29) (Edited) I certainly cannot rule out one of those lost books. But the fact that to make what Jesus said true requires looking at lost things proves my point about the Bible NOT being complete and NOT being the sole source. What Jesus says there about "It is written..." CANNOT be verified, and certainly is NOT true by what is written IN THE BIBLE. You have to reach outside of the Bible to make it work. I have no problem with that. I do it with the Shroud of Turin, the Lourdes Healings, the Incorrupt Bodies of Saints, and NDEs. These things all demonstrate the power of God, whom I know to exist by direct personal experience. But these very things you completely deny because they are NOT in the Bible - and you do so by casting aspersions onto my character for bringing them up. Ok, then, I am going to hold you to exactly the same standard. If it's not in the Bible and I cite to it, you reject it, call it satanic, and call ME satanic for doing that. Ok. Well, then don't do it yourself. Either stick to the four corners of the Bible OR accept extra-Biblical things. Do not cite to extra-Biblical things we can't even look at to argue your case, but then don't call things we physically have, can look at, and SEE the miracles "satanic" because they are not in the Bible. You don't get to do it both ways. Note, please, that I HAVE been sticking to the four corners of the Bible, to show its contradictions. I cited Jesus, where he said something that cannot be demonstrated by the Bible. In fact, what he said is contrary to what's in the Bible: what he said is there is not, in fact, there AT ALL. Now, MAYBE what he said IS written in some text we don't have. Ok. But don't pretend that's the Bible. It's NOT. Which MEANS that the Bible itself is NOT a complete self-authenticating record. It is NOT what people assert it is in that regard. Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-15   11:42:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: Vicomte13 (#30) But these very things you completely deny because they are NOT in the Bible - and you do so by casting aspersions onto my character for bringing them up. Ok, then, I am going to hold you to exactly the same standard. If it's not in the Bible and I cite to it, you reject it, call it satanic, and call ME satanic for doing that. On the Shroud. I said it might or might not be true. It is fun being a contractor arguing against a trained lawyer. :) A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-15   12:01:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 31.         There are no replies to Comment # 31. End Trace Mode for Comment # 31. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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