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I have exhaustively read the Bible in English, Middle English and French, and have studies portions of it Latin, Koine Greek and Ancient Hebrew, including reading the ancient Hebrew pictographs. I did so for a simple reason: I'm alive because of God - 3 unambiguous episodes, and 6 other circumstances where God intervened to save my life. I have spoken with God on occasion, particularly during two 40-day water fasts. I know God exists, through direct personal contact. The scientific nature of God? Well, God never told me that he is the powers of nature. All that I know for certain is that he can read my thoughts and manipulate my physical body (including by healing it). In my thoughts, I extend this command over local nature, and the fact of intelligence, to control of the cosmos. God never told me that, but that's my logic and assumption. Now, the religious texts of the world, therefore, interest me. God exists, do these texts give any insight into him? In the West, we have the Bible. People here know it. I know it so well, so deeply BECAUSE I have looked through it, not for faith in God - I know God exists - but for factual details. As such, certain things in the text particularly interested me: the Genesis accounts, the Flood, the story of the Nephilim, the "soul", "Thou shall not kill...or murder", "Haaretz" - the land, the world?, "ha olam" and "ha slam va ed" (to.a distant time or forever?), "Kosmos", "Gehenna", "Sheol", the criteria for the afterlife, charity, Jesus on his return, "Spirit", "breath" and "wind" (Reach). These are the subjects that fascinate ME, and into which, therefore, I have placed the focus of my studies. I CAN, however, apply the same deep examination techniques to any part of the Bible. Just because these things fascinate me does not mean that they are the things that fascinate others So, if there is a particular aspect of the Bible that you want me to do a deep dive on, something that puzzles you, that you would like to hear an analysis of, reach out to me here and tell me. I will do an analysis and tell you what I see there. It may give you guidance, comfort, or something disturbing to think about. I have no agenda, just the ability to do deep study in multiple languages. That is all. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 19. #13. To: Vicomte13 (#0) Can you give your thoughts on these verses from Proverbs chapter 26? 1As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, so honour is not seemly for a fool. 2As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come. 3A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. 4Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. 6He that sendeth a message by the hand of a fool cutteth off the feet, and drinketh damage. 7The legs of the lame are not equal: so is a parable in the mouth of fools. 8As he that bindeth a stone in a sling, so is he that giveth honour to a fool. 9As a thorn goeth up into the hand of a drunkard, so is a parable in the mouth of fools. 10The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors. 11As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. 12Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-13   21:17:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: A K A Stone (#13) Sure: the author doesn't like fools. Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-13   21:31:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: All (#14) Here is an example of what I mean by flat out contradictions in the Bible. In Luke 24, Jesus says this: “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." Written WHERE? None of that is anywhere in the Hebrew Old Testament. That is Christian belief, stated by Christ, but what he says "is written" is NOT, in fact, written ANYWHERE in the Old Testament. The Bible is shot through with these contradictions. It isn't surprising that a book composed of books, written over the course of hundreds of years by different authors, none of whom had the whole collection of books we call "the Bible", come up with a welter of contradictions, write things that contradict other things that are written. The assertion of some Protestants that God gave us the Bible perfect - the problem with that is passages like this, where Jesus himself says that the Jewish Scriptures say that the Messiah will be killed and rise from the dead on the third day. That is not anywhere in the Hebrew Scriptures. But Jesus says outright that it is. That's either a lie, or a statement from ignorance. It is not possible for me to simply overlook things like that because I want to believe. I don't want to believe so badly that I will ignore obvious error and deceit. If you want to argue with me, it's really easy: cite the old testament passage that says that the Messiah will be killed and rise from the dead, on the third day, and preach reptentance to the whole world starting at Jerusalem. Go ahead, cite it. I'll wait. Crickets. Crickets. More crickets. Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-14   21:30:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: Vicomte13 (#15) The Book Of Nathan The Prophet 1 Synopsis 2 Canonicity 3 Text 3.1 Fragment 1: Vision Of The Messiah 3.1.1 Variant (The Revelation Of Stephen) 3.2 Fragment 2: The Last Words Of David 3.3 Fragment 3: Origin of The Ascent Psalms Synopsis Mentioned in the Bible, this partially lost work was seemingly preserved along with other works, by the Cochin Jews of India. Part of the lost five books of the prophets, with The Book Of Gad The Seer, The Book Of Nathan The Prophet is one of two of the unique books from the Cochin Jews broader canon published in English. Sadly, only three fragments are known, with vague origins. The fragments were uncovered by Ken Johnson Th.D., and have not been published. However, he did read from them, and the following fragments are the ones he presented from verbatim. As well, Johnson did give details on the rest of the text: The book was divided into five sections: Prophecy, Doctrine, History, Psalms, and a part dedicated to the Temple of Solomon. It had Psalms 51, and 120-134 along with it. It contained sermons attributed to David It contained a story of the restoration of the Ark Of The Covenant, after being stolen by the Philistines, an account of Nathan’s family being killed by King Saul, and an expanded narrative on the sin of King David with Bathsheba. Aside from this, a Medieval Romance dubbed the Revelation Of Stephen, quotes from “Nathan The Prophet.” This quote is nearly identical to the first fragment discovered by Johnson. Also, there is evidence that the second was also discovered by another, and the details told of it having been a fragment written in French. Finally, there is a legend in an ancient document called the Lives Of The Prophets, which told a legend, identical to the final detail mentioned Ken Johnson. Canonicity While it is likely the ancient Jewish people used this work often as scripture, it became lost to the scattered nation. Currently, only the Cochin Jews of India own this text, and according to Johnson, view these works as taboo, because of Christian-like themes. Text Fragment 1: Vision Of The Messiah I saw one, a maiden without the touch of a man, with a child in her arms. And that child was the Lord of the Earth, to the ends of the Earth. Variant (The Revelation Of Stephen) I saw one, a maiden and without touch of man, and a man child in her arms, and that was the Lord of the earth unto the end of the earth. Fragment 2: The Last Words Of David Keep the commandments of God, O my son Solomon. Study the law of the Lord, walk before him in a perfect heart. God has chosen you, and established you over all the children of Israel. Execute the justice did not do all these forty years. I admonish you, O my son Solomon, carry out my will, and remember the mystery of YHWH that I saw in a vision of wonders from the Lord of the universe, about his virgin mother, who will emerge from our tribe. I pray that he gives mercy to me and all his creatures in the world. And David told all this to his son Solomon. He stopped talking, and died a good old age. Solomon gave him a dignified burial, near his fathers, and rendered thanks to God, to whom we give thanksgiving and praise unceasingly and eternally. Fragment 3: Origin of The Ascent Psalms When I realized that they had debated to long, I told them this is unsatisfactory. So we will all go together to the Tabernacle of the Lord, we will assemble the degrees of the alter, and on whom the spirit of God descends, will tell us the order of the Book of Psalms. Everyone accepted this condition, so we went to the Tabernacle of the Lord. The son of Korah climbed the first degrees to the alter and spoke. But they did not say a word, and he stepped down. Asaph went in turn, and the Spirit of God descended upon him, convicting him, not the son of Korah should complete this task. Then I went, and the spirit of God descended upon me, and never left me. Until the point that I had the ends, and the recitation formulas for each of the fifteen degrees. The crowd cried with one voice, This prophecy must be attributed to David, and it is for him to write it. And I said No, each one should write each of his Psalms in his own name. And he (the son of Korah) fled to his own house because of what I said. Then I got up, and went to the mountain. I fasted and I spoke to God with humble prayers. And He came to me and gave me all the prophecies which the coming of Messiah. I wrote them down in this volume, and placed it in my library which is in the Capitol. ancient- scriptures.fandom.com/wiki/The_Book_Of_Nathan_The_Prophet A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-14   22:39:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 19. #27. To: A K A Stone (#19) I find it fascinating that you cite to, and focus upon, ancient books that are not in the Bible. So, given this, what then do you make of the ancient books that we have, and that have always been in the Catholic Bible? Martin Luther called them "Apocrypha" and took them out of the Protestant Bible. He tried to take books out of the New Testament too - James and Revelation, at least - but the others around him would not agree to that. So, books we don't even have are cited by you as canonical, but books we DO have, also very ancient, and part of the Bible since the time the Bible was put together, are excluded, because Luther said so. And who was HE? Oh, yeah, he didn't like indulgences (I don't either), but he DID like the Virgin Mary, even believed in the Immaculate Conception. If he was wrong about that, how is it that you think he was right about the excluded books. Yeah. Fortunately for you, a KJV-Onliest, the "Apocrypha" ARE actually part of the King James Bible, original version. They're not in your version of it either though, are they. (Go look.) I certainly cannot comment on the content of books we don't have. We DO have the Book of Enoch, though. It's in the Ethiopian Canon, and preserved there. So, is THAT canon to you? It sounds like I'm ridiculing you, I'm not. What I am doing is pointing out a truth that I see front and center: you mock me for my "lack of faith", when I have very strong faith in God. But you equate that with belief in the letter-perfection of your particular version of the Bible...but when I show you Jesus stating a howling error, you cannot produce for me the text he quotes in your Bible (I would not have said it was not there if it was - I know my Bible), and you reach outside of your "perfect" Bible to books we don't even HAVE, while ignoring books we DO have, because some scholar (whom you otherwise derided in a message to me) says they were "canonical" at some time. The inconsistency of what you say contrasts with the consistency of what I have said for years. I don't make things up. Words mean things. And when Jesus says something explicit, ok, let's go find WHERE "It is written", and we don't find it, because IT ISN'T THERE. Then you accuse ME of a "lack of faith" because I have pointed out a TRUTH to you. To you, does "faith" mean simply IGNORING error? That is the lesson you appear to me to be trying to teach. "God wrote this!" "Ummm, where?" "Shut up, faithless!" That is singularly unpersuasive. Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-15 11:17:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 19. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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