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I have spoken with God on occasion, particularly during two 40-day water fasts. I know God exists, through direct personal contact. The scientific nature of God? Well, God never told me that he is the powers of nature. All that I know for certain is that he can read my thoughts and manipulate my physical body (including by healing it). In my thoughts, I extend this command over local nature, and the fact of intelligence, to control of the cosmos. God never told me that, but that's my logic and assumption. Now, the religious texts of the world, therefore, interest me. God exists, do these texts give any insight into him? In the West, we have the Bible. People here know it. I know it so well, so deeply BECAUSE I have looked through it, not for faith in God - I know God exists - but for factual details. As such, certain things in the text particularly interested me: the Genesis accounts, the Flood, the story of the Nephilim, the "soul", "Thou shall not kill...or murder", "Haaretz" - the land, the world?, "ha olam" and "ha slam va ed" (to.a distant time or forever?), "Kosmos", "Gehenna", "Sheol", the criteria for the afterlife, charity, Jesus on his return, "Spirit", "breath" and "wind" (Reach). These are the subjects that fascinate ME, and into which, therefore, I have placed the focus of my studies. I CAN, however, apply the same deep examination techniques to any part of the Bible. Just because these things fascinate me does not mean that they are the things that fascinate others So, if there is a particular aspect of the Bible that you want me to do a deep dive on, something that puzzles you, that you would like to hear an analysis of, reach out to me here and tell me. I will do an analysis and tell you what I see there. It may give you guidance, comfort, or something disturbing to think about. I have no agenda, just the ability to do deep study in multiple languages. That is all. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 15. #13. To: Vicomte13 (#0) Can you give your thoughts on these verses from Proverbs chapter 26? 1As snow in summer, and as rain in harvest, so honour is not seemly for a fool. 2As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come. 3A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. 4Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 5Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. 6He that sendeth a message by the hand of a fool cutteth off the feet, and drinketh damage. 7The legs of the lame are not equal: so is a parable in the mouth of fools. 8As he that bindeth a stone in a sling, so is he that giveth honour to a fool. 9As a thorn goeth up into the hand of a drunkard, so is a parable in the mouth of fools. 10The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors. 11As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. 12Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-13   21:17:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: A K A Stone (#13) Sure: the author doesn't like fools. Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-13   21:31:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: All (#14) Here is an example of what I mean by flat out contradictions in the Bible. In Luke 24, Jesus says this: “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." Written WHERE? None of that is anywhere in the Hebrew Old Testament. That is Christian belief, stated by Christ, but what he says "is written" is NOT, in fact, written ANYWHERE in the Old Testament. The Bible is shot through with these contradictions. It isn't surprising that a book composed of books, written over the course of hundreds of years by different authors, none of whom had the whole collection of books we call "the Bible", come up with a welter of contradictions, write things that contradict other things that are written. The assertion of some Protestants that God gave us the Bible perfect - the problem with that is passages like this, where Jesus himself says that the Jewish Scriptures say that the Messiah will be killed and rise from the dead on the third day. That is not anywhere in the Hebrew Scriptures. But Jesus says outright that it is. That's either a lie, or a statement from ignorance. It is not possible for me to simply overlook things like that because I want to believe. I don't want to believe so badly that I will ignore obvious error and deceit. If you want to argue with me, it's really easy: cite the old testament passage that says that the Messiah will be killed and rise from the dead, on the third day, and preach reptentance to the whole world starting at Jerusalem. Go ahead, cite it. I'll wait. Crickets. Crickets. More crickets. Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-14   21:30:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 15. #16. To: Vicomte13 (#15) Smart people wait to say crickets and give people a chance to answer instead of just saying crickets. You don't believe God has the power to empower people to write down what he wills them to do. You believe God is more interested in raising rats and lizards from the dead as you have claimed you did or God did for you. Because you think God is more interested in stuff like that AND IS TO MUCH OF A WIMP TO PRESERVE HIS WORD. Meaning you lack faith in him. You are more interested in your false idols like a shroud that was tested I believe to be an age that doesn't line us with the Bible that you don't believe in. But you swear on radio carbon dating to date the fossils that were put there by the flood of Noah in the Holy Bible. The doctrine of Vic will never Trump Gods holy word. No matter how smart you think you are. Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Jonah 1:17 Context 14Wherefore they cried unto the LORD, and said, We beseech thee, O LORD, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man's life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O LORD, hast done as it pleased thee. 15So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging. 16Then the men feared the LORD exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the LORD, and made vows. 17Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights. Hosea 6:2 says,"He has struck us and He will bind up our wounds; after two days He will revive us, on the third day He will raise us up and we shall live in His Presence." Did you know some of the books were lost? 1. Book of the Wars of the Lord, Numbers 21:14 Therefore it is said in the Book of the Wars of the Lord, "Waheb in Suphah, and the valleys of the Arnon, 2. Book of Nathan the Prophet, 1 Chronicles 29:29 29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer, 3. Book of Gad the Seer, 1 Chronicles 29:29 29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer, 4. Story of Prophet Iddo, 2 Chronicles 13:22 22 And the rest of the acts of Abijah, and his ways, and his sayings, are written in the story of the prophet Iddo. A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-14 22:31:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Vicomte13 (#15) It is not possible for me No it isn't possible for people who lack faith to see some things. Proverbs 3:5-6 King James Version 5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-14 22:33:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: Vicomte13 (#15) What is the Book of the Wars of the Lord? Book of the Wars of the Lord ANSWER The Book of the Wars of the Lord is a book referred to in Scripture but now lost to us. The only information we have about the Book of the Wars of the Lord is what is found in one passage of Scripture. The way it is mentioned in Scripture would indicate that it was somewhat well-known or accessible to the people of ancient Israel. Such “lost books” are not uncommon, because very few ancient books have survived to the present day. Given the impermanency of most ancient writings, it is a testament to the miracle of Scripture that the books of the Bible have done more than survive—there are so many ancient copies that we can, with great certainty, discern what the originals said. The biblical passage that mentions the Book of the Wars of the Lord concerns the Israelites’ trek through the wilderness on their way to the Promised Land: “The Israelites moved on and camped at Oboth. Then they set out from Oboth and camped in Iye Abarim, in the wilderness that faces Moab toward the sunrise. From there they moved on and camped in the Zered Valley. They set out from there and camped alongside the Arnon, which is in the wilderness extending into Amorite territory. The Arnon is the border of Moab, between Moab and the Amorites. That is why the Book of the Wars of the LORD says: ‘. . . Zahab in Suphah and the ravines, the Arnon and the slopes of the ravines that lead to the settlement of Ar and lie along the border of Moab’” (Numbers 21:10–15). According to Numbers 21, Israel was careful to stay out of Edomite, Moabite, and Amorite territory, camping along the Arnon River. Edom was descended from Esau, and Moab from Lot; these were not part of the Canaanite people that Israel was supposed to destroy. In Numbers 20, Moses had requested permission to pass through the land of Edom, since it was a more direct route to the land of Canaan. Edom refused permission and mustered an army to keep Israel out, but Israel simply withdrew and traveled another direction. Ancient borders were often a source of contention, and Israel was very careful to stay out of Moabite territory. Moses sent messengers to King Sihon of the Amorites, requesting passage through their territory, promising, “We will not turn aside into any field or vineyard, or drink water from any well. We will travel along the King’s Highway until we have passed through your territory” (Numbers 21:22). However, Sihon refused to allow the Israelites into his land and mustered the Amorite army against Israel. By the power of the Lord, the Israelites defeated the Amorites and camped in their territory (verses 23–26). If the citation of “the poets” in verse 27 is a reference to the authors of the Book of the Wars of the Lord, then another passage from that book is used to poetically relate the overthrow of the Amorite kingdom (verses 27–30). From the title, “The Book of the Wars of the Lord,” some assume that this was a book about battles in which the Lord fought or perhaps were fought on His behalf; and it may have been just such a book. However, Hebrew books were often named by the first word or phrase in the book and were not a summary of the book’s contents. For instance the book of Exodus is called Shemot in Hebrew, which means “names.” The book of Exodus begins, “These are the names of the sons of Israel who went to Egypt with Jacob.” Thus, the title of an ancient book might tell very little about the content of the book. In summary, we know little about the Book of the Wars of the Lord, but we may assume that this ancient work documented geographical boundaries between nations and possibly related poetic descriptions of particular battles. It is even possible that the Moabites may have known about the Book of the Wars of the Lord. In any case, the work is cited in Numbers to help substantiate the claim that Israel did not encroach on Moabite territory. https://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-the-Wars-of-the-Lord.html A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-14 22:36:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: Vicomte13 (#15) The Book Of Nathan The Prophet 1 Synopsis 2 Canonicity 3 Text 3.1 Fragment 1: Vision Of The Messiah 3.1.1 Variant (The Revelation Of Stephen) 3.2 Fragment 2: The Last Words Of David 3.3 Fragment 3: Origin of The Ascent Psalms Synopsis Mentioned in the Bible, this partially lost work was seemingly preserved along with other works, by the Cochin Jews of India. Part of the lost five books of the prophets, with The Book Of Gad The Seer, The Book Of Nathan The Prophet is one of two of the unique books from the Cochin Jews broader canon published in English. Sadly, only three fragments are known, with vague origins. The fragments were uncovered by Ken Johnson Th.D., and have not been published. However, he did read from them, and the following fragments are the ones he presented from verbatim. As well, Johnson did give details on the rest of the text: The book was divided into five sections: Prophecy, Doctrine, History, Psalms, and a part dedicated to the Temple of Solomon. It had Psalms 51, and 120-134 along with it. It contained sermons attributed to David It contained a story of the restoration of the Ark Of The Covenant, after being stolen by the Philistines, an account of Nathan’s family being killed by King Saul, and an expanded narrative on the sin of King David with Bathsheba. Aside from this, a Medieval Romance dubbed the Revelation Of Stephen, quotes from “Nathan The Prophet.” This quote is nearly identical to the first fragment discovered by Johnson. Also, there is evidence that the second was also discovered by another, and the details told of it having been a fragment written in French. Finally, there is a legend in an ancient document called the Lives Of The Prophets, which told a legend, identical to the final detail mentioned Ken Johnson. Canonicity While it is likely the ancient Jewish people used this work often as scripture, it became lost to the scattered nation. Currently, only the Cochin Jews of India own this text, and according to Johnson, view these works as taboo, because of Christian-like themes. Text Fragment 1: Vision Of The Messiah I saw one, a maiden without the touch of a man, with a child in her arms. And that child was the Lord of the Earth, to the ends of the Earth. Variant (The Revelation Of Stephen) I saw one, a maiden and without touch of man, and a man child in her arms, and that was the Lord of the earth unto the end of the earth. Fragment 2: The Last Words Of David Keep the commandments of God, O my son Solomon. Study the law of the Lord, walk before him in a perfect heart. God has chosen you, and established you over all the children of Israel. Execute the justice did not do all these forty years. I admonish you, O my son Solomon, carry out my will, and remember the mystery of YHWH that I saw in a vision of wonders from the Lord of the universe, about his virgin mother, who will emerge from our tribe. I pray that he gives mercy to me and all his creatures in the world. And David told all this to his son Solomon. He stopped talking, and died a good old age. Solomon gave him a dignified burial, near his fathers, and rendered thanks to God, to whom we give thanksgiving and praise unceasingly and eternally. Fragment 3: Origin of The Ascent Psalms When I realized that they had debated to long, I told them this is unsatisfactory. So we will all go together to the Tabernacle of the Lord, we will assemble the degrees of the alter, and on whom the spirit of God descends, will tell us the order of the Book of Psalms. Everyone accepted this condition, so we went to the Tabernacle of the Lord. The son of Korah climbed the first degrees to the alter and spoke. But they did not say a word, and he stepped down. Asaph went in turn, and the Spirit of God descended upon him, convicting him, not the son of Korah should complete this task. Then I went, and the spirit of God descended upon me, and never left me. Until the point that I had the ends, and the recitation formulas for each of the fifteen degrees. The crowd cried with one voice, This prophecy must be attributed to David, and it is for him to write it. And I said No, each one should write each of his Psalms in his own name. And he (the son of Korah) fled to his own house because of what I said. Then I got up, and went to the mountain. I fasted and I spoke to God with humble prayers. And He came to me and gave me all the prophecies which the coming of Messiah. I wrote them down in this volume, and placed it in my library which is in the Capitol. ancient- scriptures.fandom.com/wiki/The_Book_Of_Nathan_The_Prophet A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-14 22:39:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: Vicomte13 (#15) What is the book of Gad the seer? The book of Gad the seer is an ancient record of King David’s life and reign mentioned in 1 Chronicles 29:29: “Now the acts of King David, first and last, indeed they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer” (NKJV). The book of Gad the seer was apparently written by Gad, a prophet who ministered during David’s life. Other translations name it “The Record of Gad the Seer” (NLT) or “the Chronicles of Gad the seer” (ESV). It was common for ancient kings to keep annals of their royal activities, and ancient prophets sometimes played a role in the compilation of these records or provided a divine perspective on historical events. Sections of Jeremiah and Isaiah provide examples of prophetic historical narrative, though the records kept by Gad may have been more straightforward and procedural. Either way, the chronicler knew of Gad’s work, commended it to his readers, and likely drew on it himself in the composition of 1 and 2 Chronicles. The biblical books of Kings and Chronicles reference numerous historical sources, citing them for support and using them to fill in gaps left by their selective narrative (1 Kings 11:41; 15:31; 2 Chronicles 13:22). The Cochin Jews in India possessed a pseudepigraphal work claiming to be written by Gad the seer, which was discovered in the 18th century. There is only one extant, relatively recent copy of this interesting manuscript, currently housed at the University of Cambridge. It contains supposed visions from God and stories about David and the people around him. Its original date of composition is a matter of debate, but the most common alternatives are either the first few centuries AD or the Middle Ages. The real book of Gad the seer is currently lost and will probably remain lost. The chronicler’s reference to other sources points to the historical authenticity of 1 and 2 Chronicles and should give Christians even greater confidence in the factual nature of the Old Testament. As John Thompson, an Old Testament scholar, concludes regarding 1 Chronicles 29:29, “The use of written records preserved by Samuel, Nathan the prophet, and Gad the seer may be a reference to material now found in the canonical books of Samuel and Kings. Whether or not that is the case, the point here is that the facts to which Chronicles bears witness are well attested and that in fact David did much more than is written here” (1 and 2 Chronicles, Broadman & Holman Publishers, 1994, p. 200). www.gotquestions.org/book-of-Gad-the-seer.html A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-14 22:40:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: Vicomte13 (#15) Who Is the Prophet Iddo in the Bible? In ancient Israel and Judah, the prophets of God repeated God’s words to the people, guiding them in the way they should go. While a lesser-known prophet, Iddo’s presence and influence are seen through some of the most pivotal moments in redemption history. Which Books of the Bible Mention the Prophet Iddo? The prophet Iddo is particularly mentioned in the Old Testament’s historical and prophetic books. His name could have meant “lovely” or “God’s witness.” Up to seven people possibly had that name in the Old Testament. We will focus on the Iddo mentioned in association with the first few kings of Judah. The first mention of the prophet Iddo is in 1 Kings 4:14, where he is referred to as a prophet during the reign of King Solomon. Iddo’s prophetic ministry likely occurred during Solomon’s reign, a time of great prosperity and wisdom in Israel’s history. The prophet Iddo is mentioned several times in the book of 2 Chronicles, where his importance is further emphasized. In 2 Chronicles 9:29, it is stated that Iddo wrote a history or chronicle of King Solomon’s reign. This work is commonly known as the “Annals of Iddo the Seer” and is considered a valuable historical account of the period. 1 and 2 Kings and 1 and 2 Chronicles are compilations of other historical accounts—accounts referenced many times within Kings and Chronicles. The compilers took information from books written about these individual kings, and many of the books referenced were books written by God’s prophets, people like Iddo. This is clear evidence those writers viewed the writings of the prophets as authoritative historical accounts. In 2 Chronicles 12:15, the prophet Iddo is mentioned in connection with the reign of King Rehoboam, the son of Solomon, after the split between Israel and Judah. Iddo’s presence during this time indicates his prophetic activity spanned multiple generations and that he was a respected and influential figure in the royal court. 2 Chronicles 13:22 mentions Iddo’s involvement during the reign of Abijah, another king of Judah. Again, his continued presence and influence in the lives of successive kings highlight his significant role as a prophet during that era. Other prophets named Iddo are mentioned in later kings, such as Jehoshaphat, Uzziah, and Hezekiah. Still, if he were the same prophet at the time of Solomon and Rehoboam, he would have been well over a hundred years old, so it’s hard to say whether he was the same Iddo. What Kings Ruled When Iddo Was Prophet? The prophet Iddo lived during a significant period in the history of the Kingdom of Judah. He witnessed and prophesied during the reigns of several kings, each contributing to the kingdom’s spiritual and political landscape. While the exact duration of Iddo’s prophetic ministry is not specified in the Bible, the historical books provide insights into the reigns of the kings he served under. As mentioned earlier, Iddo’s prophetic ministry is believed to have begun during the reign of King Solomon, the son of King David. Solomon was renowned for his wisdom; his reign is considered a time of prominence for the Kingdom of Israel (1 Kings 4:29-34). Iddo’s presence during Solomon’s rule suggests that he witnessed the golden era of Israel’s united kingdom. After Solomon’s death, his son Rehoboam ascended to the throne. Iddo continued to serve as a prophet during Rehoboam’s reign, which marked the division of the kingdom into the Northern Kingdom of Israel and the Southern Kingdom of Judah due to political unrest (1 Kings 12:1-24). Iddo was also present during the reign of Abijah, the son of Rehoboam and the second king of Judah. Abijah’s reign was characterized by conflict with the Northern Kingdom, and Iddo’s prophetic ministry likely influenced the course of events during this turbulent time (2 Chronicles 13:1-22). Iddo served as a prophet during the reign of King Asa, the third king of Judah. Asa was known for his religious reforms and efforts to root out idolatry from the land (1 Kings 15:9-15). Iddo’s prophetic counsel might have shaped Asa’s dedication to God and his commitment to righteousness. Since Iddo wrote about the kings through Abijah (who had a brief reign), he likely lived into Asa’s long period as king. While the Bible does not provide an exhaustive list of all the kings during Iddo’s prophetic ministry, these accounts reveal that he witnessed and prophesied during a crucial period in Judah’s history. Throughout these reigns, Iddo remained a faithful servant of God, offering guidance, counsel, and prophecies to the kings and people of Judah. Is Iddo the Unnamed Prophet in 1 Kings 13? Scholars debate whether Iddo is the unnamed prophet in 1 Kings 13. The passage narrates a significant event involving two prophets—a younger one from Judah and an older one from Bethel. The story presents a cautionary tale obeying God’s commands and the consequences of deviating from them. In 1 Kings 13, a young prophet from Judah was sent by God to deliver a message to King Jeroboam of the Northern Kingdom of Israel. The prophet boldly delivered God’s word, foretelling the downfall of Jeroboam’s idolatrous altar and the dynasty of the house of Jeroboam (1 Kings 13:1- 3). As a sign of the prophecy’s fulfillment, the young prophet demonstrated a miraculous sign: the altar split apart, and the ashes spilled out. After delivering the message, God commanded the young prophet not to eat or drink anything in the region and to return home by a different route. However, an older prophet who lived in Bethel heard about the young prophet’s arrival and invited him to his house. The older prophet claimed an angel had told him to bring the young prophet back to eat and drink. Despite the direct command from God, the young prophet was deceived by the older prophet and agreed to go to his house (1 Kings 13:11-19). www.christianity.com/wiki...o-prophet-iddo-bible.html A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-14 22:42:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: Vicomte13 (#15) The Bible is shot through with these contradictions. So says the man who says God is Satan and Jesus isn't God. You also said Jesus is Good. But Jesus said there is none good but God. Jesus was obviously referring to himself as well as the father. But you reject that and say you only believe Jesus's words. So according to you Jesus is Good but he says he isn't. Stick that in yur pipe. He actually says he is because he is God. A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-14 22:45:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 15. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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