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Title: Russia is openly siding with Iran
Source: Last Days Chronicle
URL Source: [None]
Published: Feb 1, 2024
Author: Joel Rosenburg
Post Date: 2024-02-01 20:44:07 by interpreter
Keywords: Iran, Russis, prophecy
Views: 4417
Comments: 353

From Joel Rosenberg, in Jerusalem. [Editor’s note: Joel and this editor agree 100% on this]

Barry - It looks like Russia is openly siding with Iran against the State of Israel.

Is Putin’s alliance with Iran’s Supreme Leader cause for concern? Absolutely. Is it linked to End Times Bible Prophecy? It’s possible. [Editor’s note: They are both demon-possed kings of the east so, It’s probable.]

For the last two decades, I’ve traveled all over the globe trying to help people discover – or rediscover – the purpose and power of Bible prophecy. After all, prophecy is an intercept from the mind of God. Through it, we come to better understand who God is, what He is like, what He wants from us,

We also get a sneak peek into the future from the only One who knows what is coming down the line. We get to see future events – good ones and bad – that God in His sovereignty and kindness wants us to see, to know, to process, and to prepare for.

27% of the Bible is prophecy – that means more than 1-in-4 verses of Scripture deal with prophecy. About half of those verses describe events that have already come to pass. But the other half of these passages tell us what is yet to come, what will happen in the “eschatological future.”

Why, then, are so many Bible teachers skipping or ignoring such a huge amount of information that God specifically put in the Bible to prepare us for what is coming?

[Editor: It’s mind-blowing, Joel. And don’t forget about North Korea. When three of the demon- possessed “kings” of the East team up, we absolutely need to be concerned. – Barry Midyet]

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#1. To: interpreter (#0)

Of course they are. The Russians have painted themselves into a corner, they're losing, and they can't break out of the death spiral. So they're embracing the other nasty places - North Korea, Iran, China - to try and hold it all together.

But it's the Nonreciprocal Law of Sewage on display:

If you put a thimbleful of fresh water into a barrel of sewage, you get sewage. If you put a thimbleful of sewage into a barrel of fresh water, you get sewage.

Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-02   8:33:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

I don't see Russia as having painted themselves into a corner. Instead, it's a case of the US Deep State on a never ending quest to destroy Russia. The Deep State wasn't satisfied with the collapse of the USSR 30 years ago. They've been on an active campaign over that time to destroy Russia itself.

Putin has been painted as the anti-christ in every MSM article ever written about the guy. Personally, I think he's shown great restraint in the face of US expansion of NATO, sanctions, expulsion of diplomants, cancellation of nuke treaties including the "open skies" treaty by the US. But our meddling in Ukraine was too much, especially as it ousted a democratically elected pro-Russian president.

Russian responded by taking Crimea, which it needed to support it's only ice free port on the planet. They claim it was with the approval of some 95% of the Crimean voting public. That may be exaggerated but it's easy to believe it was still approved in the majority, given the dominant Russian ethnic population, and the reported fiscal abuse of Crimea by the Ukraine gov (not to mention Crimea WAS a part of Russia until the 1950's).

So what should Russia do? Quality allies are rare for Russia as the US is busy either bribing them, threatening to sanction them or destroying them as the US has done. As the saying goes, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and that fits Iran perfectly. China too, actually, because China has about nothing in common with Russia. They differ religiously, economically and even politically (I don't consider Russia to be communist anymore). Russia is also socially conservative, with Putin, as a Russian Orthodox Christian, believing in family values and considers teaching kids they can be transgender to be a crime against humanity. Don't you wish we had a president like that?

And then we blew up their pipeline and had the audacity to say with a straight face that Russia did it to themselves, which some have been gullible enough to believe.

Putin is intelligent and very cunning. Is Russia corrupt? Probably. Is it more corrupt than the US government, that's another question entirely.

But Russia has few friends and is actively recruiting allies anywhere it can. That means turning to Iran, China, Venezuela and even North Korea. IF we actually had decent people in the fed gov instead of the Deep State operatives like Bolton, Nikki Haley & Victoria Nuland, we would have worked constructively with Russia decades ago to stand up to actual communist countries like China that do pose a threat to the west. Instead, we push Russia into the arms of China.

Pinguinite  posted on  2024-02-02   17:11:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#3. To: Pinguinite (#2)

Can’t tell you what Russia should do. But I can tell you what they should’nt: invade their neighbor. They did. It’s gone horribly for them, and it will keep getting worse. If it was a trap, Putin put his head in it. Russia will be ground to powder unless they retreat. They’re too stubborn (and arrogant,, thinking themselves above the rules), so they’ll be ground to powder. Ok.

Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-02   19:40:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

I think Putin's view is that, mistake or not, he had no choice. The US canceled the intermediate range nuke weapon treaty with Russia, and with Ukraine part of NATO, nuke weapons could be just a couple minutes from Moscow. Their version of the Cuban missile crisis.

Russia has paid a lot in blood for the venture, but IMO it's gone much worse for Ukraine. I disagree that Russia will be "ground to powder". Ukraine already has been ground up, and tragically so. NATO has also depleted a lot of munitions and military hardware in "aiding" Ukraine. And I use quotes because I think Ukraine would have been far, far better off negotiating with Russia 2 years ago to preempt the invasion. But Ukraine's "right" to join NATO hasn't exactly been exercised without cost. There is also the 2014 Minsk accords which was supposed to afford Lugansk and Donetsk some degree of autonomy which Ukraine failed to abide by.

As they say, that which doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and the war has not killed Russia. They don't have nearly the population that can make full use of it's enormous natural resources, but the country has largely adopted to the sanctions to become more independent and self sufficient. But I don't expect they are at the point where reversing sanctions would be considered moot. I.e. Russia would still benefit economically if they were reversed. But Russians historically are a tough people because of the hardship they have suffered over the centuries with wars of all types, and the strong winter climate for much of each year doesn't make them any more soft.

The real war right now is not the hot war in Ukraine. It is a full blown economic war over the US dollar as the world reserve currency. BRICS is growing, and the massive US debt & deficit makes the dollar vulnerable which is ironically enough, being exasperated by the Ukraine war as we go into more debt to "aid" Ukraine.

As I see it, one should make no mistake that if the dollar collapses on Putin's watch, Putin will have defeated the USA in an enormous way which Ukraine could never even dream of in defeating Russia. And it's now more of a question of how the dollar could NOT collapse then how it could collapse.

Pinguinite  posted on  2024-02-02   22:10:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#5. To: Pinguinite (#4)

The US canceled the intermediate range nuke weapon treaty with Russia,

Why did we cancel the treaty wiht Russia.

According to https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/02/politics/nuclear-treaty-inf- us-withdraws-russia/index.html ( I know CNN but they quote Pompeo)

“Russia is solely responsible for the treaty’s demise,” Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said in a statement Friday announcing the US’ formal withdrawal from the Cold-War era nuclear treaty.

Pompeo said, “Russia failed to return to full and verified compliance through the destruction of its noncompliant missile system.”

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg told CNN’s Hala Gorani that the treaty’s end is a “serious setback.”

‘A bad day’ “The fact that we don’t have the INF Treaty anymore, the fact that the Russians over the years have deployed new missiles, which can reach European cities within minutes, which are hard to detect, are mobile and are nuclear capable, and therefore reduce the threshold of any potential use of nuclear weapons in an armed conflict – of course that’s a bad day for all of us who believe in arms control and stability in Europe,” Stoltenberg said.

“At the same time, NATO is there to protect all our allies and we will take the necessary measures to retain credible defense,” he added.

Do you think this is true?

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-02   22:46:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#6. To: Pinguinite (#4)

Bill Gertz is truthful isn't he? I think he is but I don't know for sure.

Russia Again Flight Tests New ICBM to Treaty-Violating Range Test prompts renewed debate on violation of ’87 INF Treaty

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Bill Gertz March 31, 2015 Russia conducted a flight test of a new intercontinental ballistic missile earlier this month that some U.S. officials and security analysts say is a new violation of Moscow’s arms control treaty commitments.

The March 18 flight test of a new RS-26 missile is part of a large-scale nuclear arms buildup by Russia and is raising concerns about treaty compliance, said U.S. officials familiar with details of the missile test.

The RS-26 missile carried a dummy warhead from Russia’s Kapustin Yar missile facility, located about 80 miles south of Volgograd in southern Russia, to an impact range at Sary Shagan in Kazakhstan....

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-02   22:51:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#7. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

painted themselves into a corner, they're losing,

I'm not sure they are losing. Some people say they are winning. I think some of our people even said that.

So many lies I don't know the truth.

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-02   22:52:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#8. To: Pinguinite (#2)

And then we blew up their pipeline and had the audacity to say with a straight face that Russia did it to themselves,

I don't know it is a fact we did it. I think that is opinion. Which may or may not be true.

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-02   22:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#9. To: Pinguinite (#4)

And it's now more of a question of how the dollar could NOT collapse then how it could collapse.

I don't think the dollar will collapse. We are still more trustworthy planet wide than China and Russia.

China screwed over Africa with their what did they call it belt and rust or something. Half finished roads to nowhere.

We have a lot of problems but not as many as Russia or China as far as human rights go. Or dealing with people in a manner in which they trust you more than the other guys.

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-02   22:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#10. To: Pinguinite (#2)

Putin has been painted as the anti-christ in every MSM article ever written

Is the Night walker King in Game of Thrones who is in the North snow land attacking the South represented as Putin. Is there any resemblence?

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-02   22:58:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#11. To: Vicomte13 Pinguinite (#1)

Of course they are. The Russians have painted themselves into a corner, they're losing, and they can't break out of the death spiral. So they're embracing the other nasty places - North Korea, Iran, China - to try and hold it all together.

This thread seems to carry on without me, but let me interject an important disclaimer here.

Neither Joel Rosenberg nor I said anything about China. I realize that Peking is east of the Euphrates, but being on the opposite side of the earth from the dried-up Euphrates it is hard to say with any certainty that China's capital is or is not pointed to by the Jerusalem-Euphrates vector.

Also, although Mr. Xi often talks about retaking Taiwan, he hasn't done it, And until he does (in the same way Putin invaded Ukraine) I prefer not to drag China into this. Because, like Joel, I try not to make any self-fulfilling prophecies. And he has to walk a tighter tightrope than I do, because he writes for the New York Times.

welcome Pinguinite, to the forum,

Barry M

interpreter  posted on  2024-02-02   23:45:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#12. To: A K A Stone (#5)

Why did we cancel the treaty wiht Russia.

You've simply presented the US side of the story. The common problem these days is that we only listen to one side, the US side, of any story having to do with Russia and never listen to the Russian side.

Should we believe Iraq had WMDs? Should we believe Russia bombed it's own gas pipeline? Should we believe the covid shots actually work and don't kill people, or that masks actually work? Our gov tells us all these things.

But even if true, the statement on its face clearly states the US withdrew from the Treaty, not Russia. The US simply cited ITS complaints of Russian non-compliance for doing so. Russia has it's own complaints about US non-compliance. I searched but it's hard to find any non-western news on duckduckgo. To get a balanced view, you should occasionally read news on rt.com or sputnikglobe.com. Are these outlets biased in favor of Russia? Of course they are. But that's the whole point of reading it. Just reading Fox or the BBC or CNN is only going to give you the bias against Russia. Both biases are needed.

Pinguinite  posted on  2024-02-02   23:57:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#13. To: interpreter (#11)

You don't need to welcome Pinguinite. He created the place. I know you were just being courteous.

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-03   0:03:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#14. To: Pinguinite (#12)

I read RT sometimes and Al Jazera too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-03   0:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#15. To: A K A Stone (#8)

I don't know it is a fact we did it. I think that is opinion. Which may or may not be true.

Well, if I threatened to blow up your car if you did something. And you did that something, and your car blew up, then I'm pretty sure the police would be knocking on my door considering me a prime suspect, right?

Well, Both Biden and Nuland BOTH said that if Russia invaded Ukraine, the Nord Stream pipeline would be shut down. They gave that full assurance though without explaining any details. And guess what happened?

For me, the US gov has lost all credibility. It has lied about Russia and about Putin. Normally when some lunatic spouts off some insane nonsense and you want to win people to your side advocating that something needs to be done, you tell those people to listen to what the lunatic is saying.

Well guess what Biden said about Putin's reactions. He tells people not to listen to Putin. So there's you're clue.

If you take the time to read what Putin says, Translated interviews or Putin's op-ed the NY times, to it's credit, published after Obama's "America is exceptional" speech back in, I think, 2015, you'll read a writing of a very rational mind and an honest Christian take that all people are equal in God's eyes, and that it's dangerous for any people to consider themselves "exceptional". Propaganda? Maybe, but a very rational and reasonable writing nonetheless.

If you have never listened to anything Putin has had to say, you really have no right to criticize him as the anti-christ. That's what I say.

Pinguinite  posted on  2024-02-03   0:09:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#16. To: A K A Stone (#9)

I don't think the dollar will collapse. We are still more trustworthy planet wide than China and Russia.

If we seize Russia's $300 billion of frozen assets and give it to Ukraine, it will damage that trustworthiness. The US is privileged to have it's currency be the world reserve currency. It's not a right. The original intent in selecting the dollar as the Global reserve currency was to establish a uniform currency value for the whole planet. It was not to grant the US political and economic power over everyone else, but that's what it has become. It's an abuse of that power.

And of course when it was chosen as the global currency, the dollar was backed by gold. Now it's backed by nothing.

But US financing of it's deficit spending only works when there are entities willing to buy US Debt. Which means loan the US more money. Eventually we will put more debt for sale than there are entities willing to loan funds to the USA. When that happens the party ends, and the financing needs are growing exponentially as per the national debt.

China screwed over Africa with their what did they call it belt and rust or something. Half finished roads to nowhere.

China has built entire cities in China that are not inhabited. Their centralization of control will be their own failure. It won't end well. But BRICS is more than just China. A number of other countries have joined now as well.

We have a lot of problems but not as many as Russia or China as far as human rights go. Or dealing with people in a manner in which they trust you more than the other guys.

Agreed China is terrible with human rights. But Russia is no worse than the USA is, and may actually be better. Just look at our elections and the politicization of the FBI, DOJ & CIA etc.

Pinguinite  posted on  2024-02-03   0:17:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#17. To: Pinguinite (#15)

I used to kind of like Putin.

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-03   0:18:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#18. To: Pinguinite (#15)

It is entirely possible we did it, the pipeline.

its also possible Putin did it to blame it on us. Or maybe someone else. I dont think any of us really know we just have opinions.

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-03   0:21:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#19. To: Pinguinite (#16) (Edited)

They dont have fair elections in Russia either. If you challenge President for life Putin you end up jumping out a window in a tall building or being poisoned. And I think the main opposition guy is in some gulag right now.

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-03   0:24:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#20. To: interpreter (#11)

I appreciate your courtesy in welcoming me. I have seen your writings here in the past going back a few years. But I will tell you plainly and honestly I don't think your interpretations are anything more than your own wishful thinking. While I will admit I've not spent much time at all fact checking anything you've done, I will state with confidence that the human mind is very capable of believing things that are not true, and seeing things that do not exist.

It's commonly said in Christian circles that people lack faith. I say the opposite. The problem is people have far too much faith. It's faith in things that are NOT true that too many people will die for. The power of the mind to believe is just THAT strong. They say it's far easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they have been fooled. The reason: Excess faith.

Whatever you set out to prove you will prove to your satisfaction. Whatever evidence you seek to find to validate your own beliefs, you will find in sufficient quantities. It's why some people believe in a flat earth when the amount of evidence of a spherical earth is all over the place.

That is true for all of us, myself included. It comes with being human. It's the reason why countries of a particular predominant faith remain that faith generation after generation. I say if everyone was open minded and balanced in perspective, we would instead see people of various faiths homogeneously mixed globally. But we don't.

Pinguinite  posted on  2024-02-03   0:33:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#21. To: A K A Stone (#19)

They dont have fair elections in Russia either. If you challenge President for life Putin you end up jumping out a window in a tall building or being poisoned. And I think the main opposition guy is in some gulag right now.

Right. Which would mean Russia is just as bad as the USA. Maybe not better, but not worse either.

We got J6 people in DC gulags too. And we have a major political candidate getting tried for non-crimes with slanted prosecutors and thrill seeking judges. How is the USA better?

Pinguinite  posted on  2024-02-03   0:36:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#22. To: Pinguinite (#20)

Pinguine i wish you would watch at least the first 45 min of the 666 video I posted here and elsewhere. If you take the time to do that I believe you will be amazed at the way the king james bible is laid out. like 666 mentions of certain things. 666 verses mentioning certain things. Im not doing it justice youd have to look with an open mind to see what im talking about.

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-03   0:38:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#23. To: Pinguinite (#21)

Trump is still alive and may prevail. I know our system is very corrupt right now too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-03   0:40:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#24. To: Pinguinite (#12) (Edited)

Well, the way I see it, it's real simple. Russia is the largest nation in the world by a factor of 3. They have the largest nuclear arsenal (thought it may not all work). The free West never has had any intention of invading Russia, and still doesn't.

Russia doesn't need any more, but they've decided, of their own volition, to invade Ukraine and kill over a hundred thousand people and counting. Arguments about their "pride" fall on deaf ears: I do not give a shit about Russian pride, or Chinese pride, or Japanese, German, British, Argentine or Canadian pride. I don't really care all that much for American pride. So, no amount of whataboutism - "What about what AMERICA is doing" is going to make any impression on me.

The same sort of arguments are made about Germany and Japan in World War II. Somehow, it's America's "fault" that Germany invaded Poland, BeNeLux, Scandinavia, France and Russia. Somehow it's America's "fault" that Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

No, it isn't. And it would not matter if it were. Because the strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must. So, aggravated by some American fault or other, the Japanese and the Germans attacked. The Germans lost ten million lives in that war and were utterly destroyed, divided, beaten down never to rise again. The Japanese were nuked and occupied.

Would the Germans and Japanese have been better off - no matter HOW butthurt they were - to suck it up and NOT attack America? You're damned right.

Now, Putin, with that huge country, decided to attack the Ukraine. He thought it would be easy. Nope. He thought he would win. Nope.

The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must. Russia attacked Ukraine because they thought they were strong. Compared to the united West, they are puny. They have nuclear weapons to protect their homeland - which the West has never had the slightest intention of invading.

IF the Russians, losing a conventional war, decide to go to nuclear war, so be it. When it's over, the Russian race will have entirely ceased to exist. Russia will be no more. The West, with 1.2 billion people, may have only a few hundred million left, but we will still be here, and we will move forward.

Russia is by far the weaker power. Weaker economically (by a factor of 30), weaker in population (by a factor of 12), weaker in life span. Weaker in liberty. It's an oppressive, alcoholic shit-hole. They have no business invading their neighbor, but they did anyway. So now they get ground to powder. They've already lost a couple of hundred thousand men killed and crippled. They may have to lose 2 million before they collapse. Whatever. They lose, or they lose bigger, or they lose their existence. In every scenario they lose.

They are like the schoolyard bully who runs into a much bigger, tougher bully. Lots of people may legitimately hate the larger bully. Ok. But on this day, the puny bully picked on the bigger bully, and now they lose. Nobody cares when they puny bully cries that it's "Not fair". What, HIS bullying IS fair? Nope. It's dog eat dog, and in this case, Russia is the littler dog.

They fucked around, and now they find out.

End of story.

Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-03   9:11:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#25. To: A K A Stone (#5)

What Pompeo said is true.

And he said that because before its all over, we may need to nuke the Kremlin, probably the only thing Mr. Putin cant recover from, and the only way (IMHO) to end the war without a lot more blood being shed.

The main reason we don't need the nuclear treaty anymore is because we have an undetectable delivery system, and the Great Whore doesn't.

Our weapons truly bring hell and death, just as prophesied.

And if Mr. Khomeini and Mr. Un don't behave themselves, they may get nuked too.

Barry M

interpreter  posted on  2024-02-03   10:49:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#26. To: Pinguinite (#20) (Edited)

I appreciate your post. I havent been on LF that much lately and didn't realize you are an old poster.

On the subject of faith, the way I like to put it -- I dont have faith that there is a God, I know that there is a God, and Jesus is His son, through the fulfillment of His many prophesies.

On the subject of Moscow, Moscow (or Putin) is not the anti-Christ, though she was aligned with the Third Reich of head # 6 of Satan at one time.

Moscow is the great whore that is drunk with the blood of the Saints, about 90 million after you add the Ukraine Christians to the long list. And She sits on 7 hills and many seas (via the Moscow canal) making that very clear.

AS for the outcome of the current war involving Moscow, there are two chapters in the Revelation (or Apocalypse) devoted to the punishment of Moscow, the great whore, also called Great Babylon.

In Ch. 18, we are told that 3 great cities of Babylon will be so completely destroyed by a plague of "exceedingly great hail" that nary a cock will crow anymore, nor a lamp shine.

We already know the identity of the first two cities to bite the dust.

The first one was Ramadi, the former stronghold of Saddam Hussein who dried up the Euphrates with the sole purpose of kicking off Ar Mageddon (which the Koran says Muslims will win). Today, Mosul lies in complete ruins after 12 years of near-constant bombing, exactly as prophesied.

The second city to bite the dust is Raqqa, the stronghold of ISIS, after exactly 12 months of near-constant exceedingly great hail, as prophesied.

Raqqa's story is quite interesting. After about a year of lying deserted after ISIS was driven out, a few stragglers began returning and to live amid the ruins. They even managed to get electricity restored to about 4 percent of the city and managed to rebuild a tiny portion of the once- great city (the home of many mosques). But evidently God and Providence did not like that at all, and sent a very strong earthquake that finished off the remaining 4 % not destroyed by the exceedingly great hail. There is no getting around God's judgment.

The jury is still out on the identity of the third city to be leveled by exceedingly great hail. At first, I thought it was Fallujah, the Iraqi stronghold of ISIS after the same 12 months of bombing. But Fallujah, the home of several ancient Churches, also began to be rebuilt after a couple years, and by Christians who first restored the old Churches. Although in same region as Raqqa, when the great earthquake struck last year, Fallujah received little damage and is on the verge of being a Christian city (again) which has to be pleasing to God.

That leaves Moscow and / or Qom (the stronghold of Iran's Ayatolla) as the two prime candidates for the next great city to be leveled by Exceedingly great hail.

But Moscow is home to over 8 million people, many of them Christians, and I hesitate to initiate a self-fulfilling prophecy here. But because Ukraine is already bombing the Kremlin, the equivalent of the Pentagon, with their drones, I can see that happening more so than the whole city being leveled.

The other possibility is Qom which is more directly pointed to than Moscow by the "bad" vector pointing to the demon-possessed kings of the East. That's because Moscow is directly north of the Euphrates and straddles the dividing line between east and west. (But of course most of Russia is in the East, so Moscow still qualifies in my opinion).

For the identity of the third city to be leveled (by a year of exceedingly great hail), we will just have to wait and see.

Barry Midyet

interpreter  posted on  2024-02-03   12:51:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#27. To: Vicomte13 (#24)

They fucked around, and now they find out.

End of story.

Well, okay, if that's your take. But I never said anything about what's fair and not fair. And it's never "end of story". Russia has a very high probability of outlasting all of us on this board, and the world's geopolitical machinations will continue in the following centuries as it always has since measurements of time began.

Pinguinite  posted on  2024-02-03   14:44:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#28. To: interpreter (#26)

On the subject of faith, the way I like to put it -- I dont have faith that there is a God, I know that there is a God,

As I see it, there is zero difference between "knowing" something and having faith that something is true. They are one and the same.

When we sit in a chair, we have faith that it will hold our weight. It is no different from "knowing" it will do so. And the fact is, it may not.

And so it goes with everything we believe to be true in life, regardless of whether it is about a religious, political, science or any other type of subject.

Pinguinite  posted on  2024-02-03   19:57:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#29. To: Vicomte13 (#24)

In some ways I agree with you. Russia is the little dog that messed with the big dog, and now Moscow must pay for it. The big dog is not just the US though. It is the 24 Christian nations in NATO against one nation.

And that is the way God has always willed it to be. When Christian nations are united as one (as Jesus often prayed for), the gates of hell cannot prevail against the Church.

Barry M

interpreter  posted on  2024-02-03   21:25:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#30. To: Pinguinite (#27)

Well, okay, if that's your take. But I never said anything about what's fair and not fair. And it's never "end of story". Russia has a very high probability of outlasting all of us on this board, and the world's geopolitical machinations will continue in the following centuries as it always has since measurements of time began.

I will have to disagree with you there. Moscow the Great Whore has a zero percent chance of outlasting the US (or probably anyone on this board), or outlasting any of the Christian nations in NATO (or any other Christian nation for that matter).

It's not going to happen, and you can bet your bottom dollar on that.


interpreter  posted on  2024-02-03   21:38:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#31. To: Pinguinite (#27)

Of course Russia, the land, will outlast everybody. Egypt, the land that held humanity's first kingdom is still there. It has changed hands many times, and the people who live there today do not share religion, language or culture with the ancient Egyptians, but yes, Egypt is still there, and the pyramids will outlast everybody and everything.

When I speak of "Russia", I mean the polity - the people who rule and the principles by which they rule. There is an identifiable Russian culture. Like all cultures, it has it's good parts and it bad parts. Russian political culture is a sewer of brutality and thuggishness. Now, that might just arise from the Russian character. It may be that the people in that land are so steeped in bloodshed and casual evil that regardless of what the flavor of rulership is - tsars, kommissars or Putin - it all ends up being hell on earth.

And, thanks to nuclear weapons, those born there and under it, if they do not avail themselves of the exits, may very well always live in some version of frozen, alcoholic hell. We're certainly never going to go into Russia itself to try to save them from themselves. We'd be blown to kingdom come if we tried, so why try.

But those peoples and nations not in Russia, those who wriggled free when the USSR fell, the Russians may still feel that they are Russian - that's the Russian position - but those people - Balts and Ukrainians - do not consider themselves Russia, and they, being small, have turned to larger countries for help.

That is the situation that Russia finds itself in the present war. Were the lands being fought over Muslim and not contiguous with the West (think Chechnya) the West would probably not do anything. But the Baltic Statets have been brought into NATO proper, while the Ukrainians have been brought under NATO's aegis.

NATO is much bigger and stronger than Russia. Putin is betting on the political will in NATO collapsing. That is unlikely. NATO knows that the loss of Ukraine puts Russia back on the NATO border in the South. When the political will in NATO does not collapse, that means that the war will go on until either the Ukraine is sufficiently well-armed to drive the Russians out with main force, or the Russians collapse from 2 million dead and the inability to continue to fund the war. It took ten years, but the USSR collapsed because the expense of the War in Afghanistan exceeded their abilities. Ukraine is already ten times as bloody, much more expensive, and Russia faces far worse sanctions than the USSR ever faced, and it's a weaker and smaller economy.

Putin doesn't believe it. He thinks the Russians can suffer their way to victory. Russia will never admit they are losing, and never pull back. Instead, the government will fall apart under the strain. When? Probably in 3 or 4 years.

The wild card comes in November, with the likely re-election of Trump. Trump will have the opportunity to end the war, and he'll likely take it. The terms of the end of war are open to speculation. Russia will have to be allowed to save some face, probably by getting to keep the Donbass. The "land bridge" to Crimea will certainly be returned to Ukraine (unless the terms of the deal are that Ukraine cedes these lands but joins NATO). The fate of Crimea itself will likely be determined on the battlefield.

Until then, the Ukrainians and Russians will continue to grind at each other, and because the Ukraine uses Western equipment and better tactics, Russian losses will continue to be hugely disproportionate to Ukrainian losses.

So, the misery will continue.

Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-03   22:27:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#32. To: Vicomte13 (#31)

We obviously get news from different sources. I see no way Russia has suffered 2 million dead. I'd be surprised if it was over 100,000. And as I see it, Ukraine has suffered terribly, far more than Russia has, including with military deaths, and for that matter civilian (obviously). My sources say Ukraine has lost about 500,000. Both figures omitting wounded.

Eastern and southern Ukraine, including Crimea, have been historically been pro-Russia in political sentiment. An examination of pre-2014 political voting maps makes that very apparent, and the sentiment in the Donbass is/was particularly strong in being pro-Russian.

That a strong majority of Crimea would, in 2014, vote to be annexed by Russia is very credible, though the 95% approval may have been embellished.

The political and ethnic situation there is complex. The idea that Russia is all bad and Ukraine is all good is fallacious (not that you say that, but many do).

As for so many countries being Christian and thereby being granted some divine protection from Russia, the idea seems to ignore the fact that Russia is also Christian, albeit of the Orthodox variety.

The biggest weakness Russia faces is a low birth rate and low population for it's geographic size. Though low birth rates plagues most of Europe as well. But it has vast resources of all types, not the least of which is energy. Their economic problem at last take was a lack of workers, which is opposite of the worst economic problem a country can have. And it's been argued that the ruble-dollar exchange rate is not an accurate means by which to measure their economy, that it's bigger than the exchange rate reflects.

But we should see what happens. If Russia outlasts the US dollar as the world reserve currency, Russia wins, and the US debt is now climbing by about $1 trillion every 4.5 months, so I cannot see any likelihood that Russia suffers a major collapse before the US does.

Pinguinite  posted on  2024-02-03   23:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#33. To: interpreter (#29)

as Jesus often prayed for

where is that? You're not known for telling the truth or discernment. In fact you're all over the place and seem foolish.

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-02-04   2:06:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#34. To: A K A Stone (#33)

as Jesus often prayed for where is that? You're not known for telling the truth or discernment. In fact you're all over the place and seem foolish.

In John 17:11 and 17:21-23 for starters. Plus, in several epistles (of Paul, Peter and John), the churches are often urged to remain united as one.

And the whole Church was united as one when the sign of Christ appeared in the clouds and Constantine appeared on scene, which allowed the Church to conquer all the known world. Beginning in the seventh century when the Coptic Church split off in the first schism, the Islamic hordes got their foot in the door and began chipping away at the territories ruled by the Church. Then the great schism of 1054 ended any semblance of unity between the eastern (Orthodox) Churches and the western (Roman) Church. That's what allowed the gates of hell to prevail against the Church.

Now there are tens of thousands of denominations and we have a big mess. There is light at the end of the tunnel though. My Church (the Anglican Church) is now holding talks with the eastern Churches with the goal of coming back together as one. Unfortunately, the resent Pope is refusing to participate in the ecumenical movement which may leave the Roman Church out in the cold.

Barry M

interpreter  posted on  2024-02-04   4:26:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#35. To: A K A Stone (#22)

Pinguine i wish you would watch at least the first 45 min of the 666 video

I did watch about 20 minutes of it already.

Accepting there are exactly 666 mentions of "Solomon" & "Solomon's" in the KJV, my counter is this: what is it about HIS name that is special? Why not count the name of David instead? Or Methusala? Jesus? Saul? Daniel? Peter? John? Abraham? Issac? Jacob? Esther? Any other kings of ancient Israel? Or mentions of the other things like "love" "temple" "crucified" "sin" "redemption", "judgment", "righteous"?

You get the picture. If you hunt for a magic number of mentions of a person, place or thing, or a verb or adverb hard enough you are bound to find such a word mentioned a number of times that appears prophetic. The odds of you not finding a special number may be or should be considered special could actually be quite low.

And given the new testament stigma of the 666 number, one would find it odd that it's connected to someone like Solomon, who though fell from grace in various ways is best known for being gifted with great wisdom and generally regarded as good, especially being David's son.

So this is, or at least could be an example of what I say when I said that people will find things to justify their beliefs if they look for evidence that supports their belief strongly enough. When you start with the premise that the Bible is the "Word of God" and then set out to prove it, you will find proof that meets your requirement every time. Same thing for flat earth or Islam. This doesn't mean a particular belief is necessarily wrong, of course. But unfair tests are invalid in proving one is right.

A sticky point for me is the Biblical reference that God is a "jealous" God who can get angry. Anger is not associated with strength. When you see a co-worker who is angry, the Christian response is to start praying for that person. Yet when God get's angry, it's somehow okay because it's considered a "righteous" anger.

I say no. Anger stems from insecurity which is not something that is rationally attributed to an entity that is both omnipotent and omniscient. How could God, knowing all things that have happened and will happen, who knows us so perfectly get angry at some failing we demonstrate? It makes no sense.

Here's what I say: The ancient Israelite authors of the OT Bible needed an explanation for calamities that befell them due to war or natural disaster. And those in control back in the day, namely the temple priests and such would have had the exact same temptations of exploiting their power over the people as today's priests like Tony Fauci, the FDA, the AMA etc do. And explaining this with God getting angry with them for something does nicely. An angry God or gods is also very useful for ensuring the masses obey the edicts of those in control. It's no different than what we see today with covid and climate crisis. Tell the people if they don't comply with injections, masks, social distancing and eating bugs they will all die.

It's the same repeating theme we have recorded in the Bible as we have in today's political world. Things really never change. Keep in mind the OT authors had a bias to promote the idea that they were special in God's eyes. The writings are NOT neutral in that way, such as written by a 3rd party. The ancient Israeli culture, to it's credit, treated written texts as sacred and did their best to reproduce historic accounts perfectly in hand copying such texts. That practice has been inferred as evidence of divine inspiration. That as opposed to say, the Greeks with their mythological accounts of their many gods and heroes -- an ancient version of today's Marval Comics stories of heroes with super human or divine powers. But since the Greeks didn't share this propensity to copy stories in exact detail, no texts are considered divinely sourced.

I am no atheist. Far from it. I say we are immortal souls that possess a mortal body. It is the soul which defines who and what we truly are. Our human side is temporary, coincidental and of minimal consequence. I say that earth and the human race are, in the big picture, expendable and replaceable, which is why God has no real concern about what happens on earth at the political/governmental level. He is not so petty. Life is about each of us growing spiritually, and it doesn't matter what national flag flies over one's head. That is what I believe.

But back to the point, counting instances of select words in the Bible is not the proof that you want to believe it is.

Pinguinite  posted on  2024-02-04   8:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#36. To: A K A Stone (#22)

I should add that I consider Christianity to be a very good faith and accurate on some 90-95% of what it teaches, which includes everything about how we are to live our lives. Loving enemies, turning the other cheek, the Golden Rule, striving to embellish our virtues and quash our vices and the overwhelming importance of love. Everything about how we are to live is 100% accurate, in my view.

My present opinion is that the core concepts of Christianity involving sin and the need for redemption through the death of Jesus on the cross is not accurate, though the message of love behind that core concept IS accurate as it's a message of sacrifice out of love, from one entity, God, to us. But of course, without that core principle of blood redemption being part of Christianity, Christianity as a faith would not have survived the last 2000 years because there would not have been any compelling urgency for the faith to spread. Why bother telling people about it when there is no "final judgment" after death?

But I believe if someone honestly subscribes to Christianity, they will do well.

Pinguinite  posted on  2024-02-04   9:20:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#37. To: Pinguinite (#32)

Russia has not suffered 2 million casualties YET. They have suffered about 350,000 killed and wounded, all military. Because the Russians have targeted civilian apartment buildings and infrastructure, Ukrainian total casualties have been high, but Ukrainian military casualties, dead and wounded are probably in the 100,000 range. The Russians are losing military personnel at a at least a 3.5:1 rate, and equipment at a 7:1 rate. I expect that once Russian casualties hit 2 million, they will have to stop. Another million have fled the country. 3 million dead , bled or fled out of the population of 20-40 year old men, who are only 17% of the population, is a loss rate of almost 13%. Is the Ukraine worth it? No.

The Russians would like to remove the dollar as the worlld’s reserve currency, but who is going to accept that, and why would they? Only the Chinese have the heart, and they are demographically and economically imploding - and dependent on the U.S. Navy to keep the sea lanes necessary for their survival open. The Euro? Allied with the U.S. The dollar will remain the world’s reserve currency.

The US and Russia are both ladling on the spending for the war. So is the entirety of NATO, and Japan and Australia. The free world is economically and militarily backing Ukraine. Both side s are spending prodigious sums. The U.S. and NATO have vastly more than Russia. And the Russians are also spending buckets of blood. The US government will not be going broke. Can’t. Neither can Russia. When you are the issuer of currency, you can always print more to pay your debts. You may trigger bad inflation - and Russian inflation is nearly triple ours. They started with less and a a lot further down the road to putting the population on rations, because the money is worthless. All this for the Ukraine.

It’s very much like China and Taiwan, or the Kaiser and England back in the day. Neither had the naval power to be able to do it. Both sank trillions (in present day numbers) in stubbornly trying to do the impossible. The Germans failed and eventually scuttled that fleet rather than hand it over to the British. The Chinese will collapse before they can even attempt invasion. And Russia? We see that playing out. Now, by becoming obsessed with the British Fleet, the Kaiser set himself on the path that would destroy his country. He wanted something he could not have so badly he ended up destroying what he did have. And the Germans, unwilling to learn, repeated the exercise 20 years later, and ended up utterly ruined for it. All the Chinese need to do to make their future much brighter is shake off their foolish obsession with Taiwan. They could use that trillion dollars to shore up their economy, be stronger. Nope. They’re as hellbent as Kaiser Willy, and the result is just as foreseeable. But Russia - Russia stuck its head in the trap. They don’t just want Ukraine, they actually invaded, and their incompetent military was thrown back from Kiev. The whole world saw the line of abandoned vehicles on the road to Kiev. Things have gotten no better for them since. Now, they are trying to hold onto what they have in a war of attrition that is, and will continue to, grind them to powder. They won’t back down, and they can’t win. So it will go on and on, until they’ve lost 2 million, 3 million, 5 million. Sooner or later they crack. We can outspend them. And we will.

I know you don’t believe that. Neither does Putin. So there will be no objective negotiation to the end of the way. Just a miserable grinding until collapse. Kaiser Willy, or rather Hitler, all over again. (Kaiser Willy was the fall of the USSR.)

Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-04   10:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#38. To: Vicomte13 (#37)

It's no surprise to you for me to again say I don't think your casualty figures are correct. On its face, the Ukrainian military is broken, and the Russian military is not. I believe Ukraine has lost far more military hardware than Russia has.

Various branches of a country's armed forces need to work together synergisticly to win wars, particularly to carry out offensive operations, and I don't see Ukraine as having that ability due to their early military losses You cannot simply give them tanks, artillery shells, planes and missile systems on occasion and expect that to make a significant difference which our political world wants to believe.

Yes there were convoys of Russian military on roads leading to Kyiv. In the first few months of the war, Russia's goal was different. They were largely playing softball with Ukraine and that's evident by how the convoys even bypassed major cities on the way. That largely justifies the "special military operation" label that Russia gave it at the time. They apparently just wanted to topple the government, though they lacked the finesse our Deep State demonstrated in 2014 by orchestrating a coup.

The Russian forces then withdrew from targeting Kyiv when a tentative agreement was made between Russia and Ukraine but which was subverted by UK lobbying. So about 2 months after the assault started, Russia changed gears to that of a formal invasion. Though it is still not labeled a "war" in Russia. Rebranding could be politically difficult for Russia internally, but it also may convey that Russia is still not fighting the Ukraine war with as much fervor as it could be.

As for military expenditures on both sides, US military equipment is very overpriced, with patriot missiles often costing far more than the aircraft they target. This is due to our military industrial complex taking advantage of their unchecked billings being sent to Congress, which of course doesn't care because money they spend isn't theirs.

Yes, NATO could crank out lots of military material but the fact is they have not been doing so. Why would they over the last 30 years when the USSR collapsed and Russia was no longer a threat? I see NATO at this time as soft.

We can go back and forth on this ad nauseam, but again, we obviously do not trust the same sources of information about what's going on there.

Pinguinite  posted on  2024-02-04   12:39:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#39. To: Pinguinite (#38)

Our discussion can no longer progress. We see different things, and have different levels of expertise and experience. All we can do now is watch as things develop. As they do, we can revisit this. If you’re right, I’ll say so. I think the most likely resolution is that Trump is elected, and that in the negotiated peace that he imposes is the Russia will keep whatever they have at that moment, and Ukraine will join NATO, guaranteeing its future. Both sides will then be able to declare a victory. I will leave it to the discerning to decide who really won that.

After that, there will be no further turmoil between Tussia and NATO until after Trump leaves office.

Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-04   14:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#40. To: Pinguinite (#35)

On religion, you and I share many points of agreement. I don’t think God has anything to do with the war in Ukraine. This is a secular war between secular powers. I

Vicomte13  posted on  2024-02-04   14:24:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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