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Published: Jan 23, 2024
Author: Vicomte13
Post Date: 2024-01-23 12:12:33 by Vicomte13
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People believe different things, based on differing evidence.

Here, there are several people who believe, ardently, in their heart of hearts, that the King James Version of the Holy Bible is perfect, and directly from God. Nothing in it is wrong, or can be.

I do not ask these questions to mock anyone's belief; I ask to understand it, the extent of it. Were I ever to adopt such a belief, I would need to be convinced it was true. I do not say that I cannot be convinced; that is not true. I COULD BE convinced, were I shown the proper evidence.

So, let me ask my questions. I would like a thoughtful answer from a KJV- Only believer.

Of course, once I send this, it is in the air, and each of you may do as you please with it. It is much easier to attack me, claiming that my question is insincere, claiming to know the interior of my heart, etc. And in this way, to dodge the question. But the question remains. I would hope that we could avoid that step, and just answer my question.

(To help, I will give what I believe the KJV-Onliest's response would be. If it is right, the KJV-Onliest could simply aver that: "Yes, that is correct." If it is wrong, he may correct it.)

Question 1: Following the time frame and the genealogies present in. Genesis, Chapters 1-5, the earth is approximately 6000 years old. There can be some fluctuation and some uncertainty, especially in connecting Moses to a particular reign of a particular Pharaoh in Egypt. This might add a few hundred years, here and there.

The Septuagint Greek, likewise, renders a world that is about 12,000 years old, give or take, but we are using the KJV, and it is about 6000 years old, about 2000 years before the Flood, and 4000 years since.

Do you agree?

My view of what the KJV-Onliest will state: "Yes, that is correct. If you add up the years of the genealogy tables in Genesis 4 and trace them forward, you get a precise number of years from Adam to the Flood, and there are references to the ages of Adam's sons and their offspring after the Flood, to the sons of Isaac and the descent into Egypt, and then to the number of years the Hebrews were in Egypt. Connecting Moses' Pharaoh to the historical timeline is imperfect, but it was in Egypt, and we can narrow it to a certain band of time, perhaps 100-200 years. So, we cannot state with certainty that the world was created on EXACTLY October 7, 3761 BC, as the Orthodox Jews do, because the Bible record gets fuzzy in terms of exact lifespans and dates with Moses, as a ballpark that is about right, give or take a few years.

The world is NOT 15,000 years old, let alone 4.5 billion. Plants were created on the third day of creation, and various animals were created on the 5th Day, and the 6th, with the creation of Adam being last, but this was all in 3 days.

Now, "a day in the sight of God is a thousand years" the KJV says, so MAYBE, just MAYBE, there was a 3500 year span between the creation of plants and the creation of man. But it says nowhere that a day is 500 million years, or a billion years. So, maybe you could tack on a few thousand years for the first 5 days, but that's it.

According to the KJV, the world is about 6000 years old. Maybe 11,000, if one reads those days without men as "a thousand years", maybe not. That is not perfectly clear.

What IS clear is that it is NOT 4.5 billion years old. That is flatly contradicted by the Bible."

Is that a fair statement of the KJV-Onliest's belief?

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#19. To: Vicomte13, to all (#0)

Here, there are several people who believe, ardently, in their heart of hearts, that the King James Version of the Holy Bible is perfect, and directly from God. Nothing in it is wrong, or can be.

I believe that KJV was written to one protect KJ or the king from Christian theology. Catholic Bible is to protect Catholic hierarchy from Christian theology. In the end holy ghost/ spirit of the GOD's words should come through no matter what you read. Blindly following is not the same in my opinion as faith. Blindly following means you can never question the word and if you do this makes you a heretic. In faith the word of GOD should be able to stand up to any scientific study. This doesn't mean you have the ability at the time to know the answer and must be taken on "faith" at this time. It will be revealed in time to pass the scientific scrutiny as long as science has not been perverted by criminal minds.

Just remember it takes as much faith to believe the world is 6 thousand years old as it takes to believe its 6 billion years old!

I just did a drive by and may not even see who post after. ;)

Btw im surprised my old handle still works!?

I hope all are doing well.

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#20. To: Justified (#19)

Yup, your handle still works.

It takes a different kind of faith to think that the world is 6000 years old than to believe it is 4.5 billion years.

To believe the latter, you have to accept that thousands of different scientific minds, working on separate issues over nearly 200 years, came to the conclusion about the age of things based on coincidence, or on groupthink.

They do present the evidence for their beliefs - fossil records, actual measurement of continental drift today, etc. There are assumptions, true, and those assumptions might be wrong, but they are based on observed things.

The faith that it takes to believe in that is that all those people really exist (you've never seen them), that the fossils they describe are real (you've never touched them), and the measurements of things are real and not just made up. So, you have to take on faith that all of these mountains of data that supposedly come from different people really exist and really did come from different people, and hasn't been spawned by a few people as a massive and sustained fraud.

The faith that it takes to believe the world is 6000 years old is that an old book, written without observation of anything, by ancient people we don't know, accurately reflects a truth that they could not know or see, because a God told them that.

The latter requires a literal leap of blind faith in the dark, and in the authority of a written text. The former requires a belief that the world is normal and as it appears to be, and is not a conspiracy driven by a cabal.

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