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Title: History and Beliefs of the Waldensians
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Published: Jan 12, 2024
Author: Mary Fairchilds
Post Date: 2024-01-12 23:12:00 by A K A Stone
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The history of the Waldensians is a story of persecution, perseverance, and devotion to the teachings of the Bible. This nearly 800-year-old evangelical Christian movement was known in its earliest days as simply “The Poor.” Originating in the 12th-century Italian Alps, the Waldensians came into existence through the actions of Peter Waldo of Lyons.

The Waldensian movement was one of the first Christian efforts to translate the Bible into a local dialect and engage in public preaching of the gospel. The commitment of the group can be summarized in these three activities: making the gospel known and understood in the native language of the people, identifying with the poor by becoming poor, and pursuing closer obedience to a life of faith by following the teachings of Jesus Christ and the example of his disciples.

Other similar evangelical movements were common during medieval times, but none endured like the Waldensians. Pre-dating the Protestant Reformation by 300 years, the beginning of the Waldensian movement is sometimes referred to as the “First Reformation.” The group has also been called the “Oldest Evangelical Church” and “Israel of the Alps.”

Although the Waldensians did not set out to oppose the Roman Catholic Church, they were branded heretics, excommunicated by Pope Lucius III in 1184, and targeted for extermination in several campaigns. In truth, they were a small, scattered but close-knit group that professed orthodox beliefs and generally remained faithful to the Catholic Church until the time of the Reformation.

Waldo of Lyons (c. 1140–1217) The founder of the Waldensians was Waldo (Valdes in French) of Lyons, a wealthy and influential young merchant from Lyons, France. After the sudden death of a close friend, Waldo began to search for deeper meaning in life. Around A.D. 1173, Waldo was profoundly moved by the words of Jesus Christ to the rich young man in the Gospel of Mark 10:21:

Looking at the man, Jesus felt genuine love for him. “There is still one thing you haven’t done,” he told him. “Go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (NLT) Voluntary Poverty Between 1173–1176, Waldo’s life changed radically. Deciding to follow the Lord’s words literally, he gave away his wealth to the poor and started a life of intentional poverty. Later, his disciples would become known as “The Poor Men of Lyons,” or simply “The Poor.” The name they claimed for themselves was “The Poor of Spirit” from the Beatitudes in Matthew 5:3.

Preaching the Gospel Believing that all people ought to have the opportunity to hear and understand the Word of God, Waldo employed Bernard Ydros and Stephen of Ansa to translate several books of the Bible from the Latin Vulgate into his local French-Provencal dialect. When the translation was presented in Rome, it received words of approval from the pope. Encouraged by the positive response, Waldo had hoped his efforts would begin a renewal in the whole church.

From this translation, Waldo began preaching and teaching the Bible in public. Copying his example, Waldo’s followers (traveling in twos) took the gospel to surrounding towns and villages. This activity of public preaching was particularly offensive to Catholic authorities and instigated the conflict and persecution that Waldensians would endure for centuries.

'Peter' Waldo In the spring of 1179, Waldo and his followers were forbidden by the church to preach unless explicitly invited by a priest. But Waldo was convinced the body of Christ should base its experiences on those of the apostles and not on the human constructs of his day. He continued to preach openly. Several years later, around 1183, Waldo was banned from the city by the archbishop of Lyons.

When he was warned to stop preaching, Waldo responded with the words of the Apostle Peter in Acts 4:19: “Do you think God wants us to obey you rather than him?” Some historians believe this episode was the catalyst for Waldo being referred to as “Peter Waldo” by future Waldensians.

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#1. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

Although the Waldensians did not set out to oppose the Roman Catholic Church, they were branded heretics, excommunicated by Pope Lucius III in 1184, and targeted for extermination in several campaigns.

Do you think Pope Lucius III is in hell for ordering the extermination of people? I see no evidence he ever repented of his sin.

A K A Stone  posted on  2024-01-18   11:57:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#1) (Edited)

Actually, let me double back on that, because I don't actually know what you believe.

I know you are a Protestant, but there are at least two kinds of Protestant.

One kind says "Once saved, always saved", and it makes Salvation based on the belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, God Incarnate, and Lord and Savior.

And what is more, there are at least two flavors of this belief. One is that those beliefs are all that is required. If one has them, even if one believes in various errors, such as faith AND works - a clear error from a faith-alone perspective - that nevertheless, the belief that Jesus is Lord and Savior is enough; the errors are forgiven. IF this is your belief system, then the errors of Pope Lucius, while grave, would not land him in Hell, because he almost certainly believed in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. So, he'd be rebuked for his sins and errors, but he would nevertheless not be in Hell, because he believed.

The other flavor insists that REAL belief in Jesus as Lord and Savior MEANS believing exactly what their denomination believes. So simply believing in Jesus "is not REAL belief", and the fact that Lucius was a Catholic, believing in faith and works, means that he wasn't REALLY a believer, and therefore is certainly in Hell - the killing of the Waldensians is irrelevant - what matters is that he did not believe in faith alone, and that is the only REAL belief in Jesus as Lord and Savior. If you hold this belief system, then Lucius is in Hell, and would be in Hell even if he were a peaceful prince who lauded the Waldensians. He believed in faith and works, and that belief in Jesus isn't REALLY belief in Jesus, so he's doomed to Hell. Period.

Other Protestants believe that professing a belief in Jesus Christ means you're saved - with some thinking that professing that belief is enough, while others think that you have to profess a belief in exactly what their denomination believes, otherwise it's not TRUE belief (see above) - BUT that, once you are saved, you can still lose your salvation through sins, and killing the Waldensians is a grievous sin worthy of Hell. So Lucius is in Hell.

What do I myself believe? What difference does that make, really?

Vicomte13  posted on  2024-01-27   19:28:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Pope Lucius, while grave, would not land him in Hell, because he almost certainly believed in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. So, he'd be rebuked for his sins and errors, but he would nevertheless not be in Hell, because he believed.

Ok.

Maybe I shouldn't have asked you that question as I believe the Bible says we are not supposed to judge who goes to Heaven and hell.

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