Title: SHOCKING INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROMISED LAND! Source:
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I definitely have thoughts on it. Been out of the country a few weeks drinking rhum on a French island. Let me look through your posts and I’ll revert.
Ok, I listened for awhile, until I heard certain sneaky and persistent errors, and decided to stop. You have several posts here on the same subject: Israel, the Prmised Land of the Jews, and such. You’ve asked me to comment, and I will. I’m not going to comment from a secular perspective, but from a Biblical perspective. You are right that I have a great deal of knowledge. I have learned the Bible by reading it over, and over and over, in different languages. In the crucial parts, I have gone to the Latin, Greek or Hebrew, even learned the paleo-Hebrew script to be able to see for myself.
In this regard, I have been true to myself as an experienced lawyer. Many associates working for me over the years have been taught a key lesson when it comes to understanding legal texts, contracts (a covenant is a contract): “Don’t tell me what it MEANS, tell me what it SAYS.”
The legislator, the person writing the contract, did not mean what you want him to mean. He meant exactly what he wrote. This is ESPECIALLY true if the author of the covenant is God himself. God didn’t make mistakes. He said what he said, and he meant THAT, not what some latter-day rabbi, or imam, or minister, or priest WANTS him to have met. I’ve read the Bible 18 times. I know what it says. And I know it does not say and what it does say. Now I will share some of that with you, because you asked.
Let’s start with Abraham. God did indeed promise that land to Abraham’s heirs. Note well, this is NOT the Jews. The “Jews”, as such, would not exist until after the destruction of the Nothern King of Israel by Sennacherib of the Assyrians in the 600’s BC, leaving only the Kingdom of Judah and its cult. But even then those left behind were not Jews. “Jews” don’t exist until the return from the Babylonian exile of the Judaeans in the 400s, and they were in contradistinction from the Samaitans, who remained in their land and followed the Torah, written in the ancient script. There is a great deal of rewriting of history in the imagination of the modern-day descendants of the Jews of Judaea, extending their claims over all and denying the legitimate claims of anyone else.
Many Christians in American buy into this fantasy, but if they read carefully, they won’t find it in their Bible AT ALL. What they WILL find is something very different.
Starting with Abraham, God did not promise rulership of the land to Abraham. He only promised the land (no mention of rulership, or exclusivity) to Abraham’s heirs Isaac AND Ishmael, his oldest boy. He promised the land to them both, and he promised a degree of strife in that land forever because of it. He said that the tents of Isaac and Ismael would live up against each other, and that Ishmael’s sons hands would against Isaac’s. He NEVER, EVER promised the victory of one over the other. No. He promised they’d both be in the land, and would trouble each other FOREVER. Which is, of course, EXACTLY what has happened, and still is. Jews are descendants of Isaac. Arabs are descendants of Ishmael. And God promised the land to BOTH sons…and perpetual strife. So, the Jews claim God gave them the land. And they lie - they follow their own self- serving view. God promised the land to Isaac and Ishmael, the two sons of Abraham, and he promised that they would frequently not get along.
Now, think about that ONE FACT for a moment. It’s right in the Bible. Sure, if you read the Bible wrong (as the Jews do), you can see it says “My covenant is with Isaac”. Yes, it does. But remember, as the oldest Son, the covenants of the Father were automatically with Ishmael, and God said NOTHING to take that away. Rather, he said, unusually, that his covenant was with Isaac, the younger son, TOO. And THIS joint promise meant what God said about Isaac’s and Ishmael’s tents being against each other, and Ishmael’s hand against Isaac, and all of the last few thousand years of troubles that will never go away. THAT is PRECISELY what God promised in the Bible.
And you’ll look through the rest of it in vain. You’ll find God raising his voice against residual Canaanites - again Moabites and Ammonites, but NOT against Ishmaelites. Why? Because they share in the Anrahamic covenant. And THAT is bloody inconvenient!
So, that’s the FORST thing I will note here. His didn’t give the land from the Wadi of Egypt to the Gret River to the Jews. He gave it to the sons of Abraham, to Isaac AND Ismael, to what would become the Arabs and the Jews. He said they would not get along. Almost 4000 years later, that’s just about everybody in the Promised Land -Jews and Arabs. They never got along. They still don’t. They never will. And neither will ever win. THAT is what God actually SAID to Abraham.
If you’re a Jew you don’t admit it: God gave the land to YOU! If you’re a ran you don’t admit it: No, he gave the land to YOU.
But if you read what God SAID - and stop trying to impose your own hopes of what he meant - he gave it to BOTH of you, promised you you’d fight. And you do, for nearly 4000 years and counting, EACTLY like he said in Genesis.
So if you, a Gentile, are taking one side or the other, you’re not reading what God SAID, you’re taking sides in a permanently ordained struggle, and you’re going to be disappointed. Because God never promised the land to the Jews alone. He promised it to Isaac AND Ishmael, to Jews AND Arabs, and he promised family bickering FOREVER, and THAT is precisely what you see, and always will.
Part Two is even more important, because it comes directly from Jesus. Not Paul or James or John or somebody interpreting Jesus, Jesus himself. It’s right there in the Bible, clear as day, and if you’ve taken a certain side in the ongoing fights in Israel, based on God’s Word, you’re in a real pickle. Confronted with the actual words of Jesus, you either have to bow, say Jesus is Lord, and give up your untenable views about Israel. OR you have to dismiss what Jesus said, take him off the throne, and uphold tho gs that others said in the Bible against Jesus. You have to admit that you think there’s a hierarchy of authority in the Bible, and that Jesus is not on top of it.
All experience has taught me that you. Will do neither. Instead you’ll hate me and scream at me for pointing this out. Oh well. I will proceed nevertheless. One of the greatest claims made by modern Christians is the God returned the Jews to Israel after 1800 years, proving the covenants, and ushering a new age. Umm, NO, not according to the Bible. Sure, God brought the Jews back to Palestine. After all, he promised the Promised Land to Arabs AND Jews, and the Arabs had sway for a long time. Time to bring back the Jews and renew the foreordained strife. THAT is what happened.
But modern Israel as the fulfillment of the promise of a Jewish holy land? Nope.
Footsteps, go back and look at the prophets, and God’s promise to them. He would restore Israel in those days ON THE CONDITION that Israel follow all the laws and perform the daily sacrifices. DO THEY? No. Not at all.
Do they perform the daily and yearly sacrifices? No. Do they respect the seven year sabbath of debts and the 50 year Jubilee? No. Do they refrain from all work on Saturdays? No. Do they uphold The Law, of Torah? No. So, did God ever promise he’d restore Israel to not obey him? No. He promised to SMASH IT.
Herding a bunch of Wester-armed Jews into the Middle East and declaring a state by force is NOT Biblical, other than putting Jews back in the land to bicker with Arabs. THAT is fulfilled, as God promised. God NEVER promised victory of a Jewish state that did not keep the whole Law, and Israel doesn’t keep any of it. It’s a Western colony, not a victor ordained by God.
But really it’s worse than that, because so many “Christian” ministers outright ignore Christ.
In the week he died, Jesus pronounced the final doom of the Temple: that it would be torn down that generation, so that one stone would not stand on another. That happened 36 years later, in that generation, with the Roman destruction of the Temple, never to be rebuilt.
But Jesus didn’t just doom the Temple; he pronounced the final doom of Israel.
In the parable of the vineyard and the wicked servants, he spoke of a landlord who gave a vineyard to tenants. He looked for rent, and sent his servants the prophets - some they beat, some they killed. Finally they sent his own son, and they killed him. I enraged, God came to the vineyard, broke down the walls, killed the wicked tenants and handed the vineyard to others who would keep it. This parable described the END of Israel, the END of the redemption. The Church, who respect the Son - THESE are the new tenants. Jesus did not promise any restoration of Israel. He promised its utter destruction and the END of that covenant, in favor of a new and everlasting covenant, not with the Jews, but with whoever in the world would keep Jesus’s commandments: feed the poor, take care of the sick, clothe the naked, house the homeless. That was the promise. Jesus promised nothing else.
Why, then, do “Christian” pastors pretend that God will restore Israel, contrary to Jesus? For what? This state that calls itself Israel, it is not covenanted Israel, and will never be. THAT Israel is gone forever, of course. Jesus himself doomed it for disobedience. Why do Christian pastors want to resurrect what God destroyed?
The answer is that they are ignorant and blind, and read poorly. Nothing more.
If you want to please God, listen to Jesus. Don’t be dreaming of restoring something God himself destroyed, and SAID SO!
Yes, Jews have returned to the land, and resumed their perpetual fight with the descendants of Ishmael, just as God ordained 3800 years ago.
Don’t believe me? I’ll take you straight to the passages in your Bible that tell you this.
short observation. So according to you God lied about an everlasting coveant. I suppose if you don't believe the whole Bible you could come to that conclusion. And yes I did ask.
According to you, Jesus lied about destroying the vineyard, driving out the wicked tenants and handi g it over to others, because they killed the landlord’s son.
God did not promise an everlasting covenant, he promised a covenant “ha olam”, which means to the horizon, to the indistinguishable, to a distant time.
The Old Testament was written in Hebrew, not English. The English translators intensified what God said, and made it stronger than it is.
I read what Jesus said clearly, and read what Yahweh said in the old. You read a dinjynct in it and go with the old, and ignore Jesus. You do you.
The Old Testament was written in Hebrew, not English.
You don't speak Hebrew. English is the most spoken language of the day.
God said his word would be preached in all the land. Do you think God didn't know English? Do you think it would be impossible for God to know the future and guide mens hand to write his word purely and correctly? Do you think God wouldn't want his word to be perfect in English and it is more important to raise a mouse from the dead for a child but not have his word unperverted?
Since you don't seem to believe that the Bible should be in English. Do you support the Popes who had people murdered who tried to translate the Bible to English. Do you think God would have murdered people who wanted to translate his word to English as the Catholics did? Or would he have made sure it happened since he would know that in the future English would be the most spoken language in the world?
Yours is a modern take on this And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Casting doubt on Gods holy word. Putting yourself above Gods word.
