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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In WORLD WAR III See other WORLD WAR III Articles Title: DeSantis to Newsmax: No 2-State Solution Exists Source: Newsmax URL Source: https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/ ... -israel/2023/10/09/id/1137608/ Published: Oct 9, 2023 Author: Michael Katz Post Date: 2023-10-09 18:16:30 by Charles_Byrd Keywords: None Views: 780 Comments: 10 There can be no two-state solution between Israel and Palestinians or swapping of land for peace if all Palestinians want is to eradicate the Jewish state, 2024 Republican presidential hopeful and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis told Newsmax on Monday. DeSantis told "The Chris Salcedo Show" that previous administrations have pledged full support for Israel while working behind the scenes with the United Nations and European nations to pressure Israel into accepting a two-state solution for peace with Palestinians. Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 6. #2. To: Charles_Byrd (#0) He's half right. Truth is, there is no solution AT ALL in Israel. You have Jews, who are stubborn and crazy, and Muslims, who are stubborn and crazy. Neither is going to ever give up. It is forever war. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-10-09   18:32:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Vicomte13 (#2) You have Jews, who are stubborn and crazy, and Muslims, who are stubborn and crazy. Neither is going to ever give up. It is forever war. How are Jews crazy? More like the evil muslims want the land God promised to the Jews. A K A Stone  posted on  2023-10-09   21:45:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: A K A Stone (#3) I am on the side of Israel here. It is, nevertheless, a forever war. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-10-09   22:11:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: Vicomte13 (#4) 5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, A K A Stone  posted on  2023-10-09   22:16:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: A K A Stone (#5) Yes. And our Lord Jesus Christ has no part with either side in the current conflict. The Jews explicitly reject Jesus. The Muslim's say he was a prophet, but then say that the records of what he said and did in the Bible are fabrications, and revamp Jesus in terms of Mohammed. Jews reject Jesus as a crazy man. Muslims try to co-opt him into being a Muslim. Neither of them listen to what Jesus said, or frankly care. Jews make the Biblical claim, but their Bible does not include the parts where Jesus warned the Jews that the vineyard (Israel) and the Temple would be destroyed BECAUSE the people appointed to keep the vineyard murdered God's Son. And the Muslims claim that Allah said that no part of Dar es Islam could ever be taken away. (For the same reason, Muslims still claim Spain and Portugal.) Islam is a fanatical religion of conquest, quite opposed to Jesus. But the Jews make a claim that ignores what Jesus said about them too. NEITHER SIDE has God on its side. God said that the tents of Ishmael (the Muslims of today) and the tents of Isaac (Israel) today, would be up against each other, and that Ishmael's hand would be against everybody, and that is exactly what we see. From a religious perspective, as a follower of Christ, I reject both the Muslim and Jewish claim to Israel. I support Israel for a very practical reason: they are a democracy (of fanatics for a an exclusive religion) in a sea of undemocratic fanatics who claim the right to conquer everywhere. Israel is a useful foil to Muslim ambitions. This does not, however, make Israel RIGHT. It simply makes Israel a country we can have sympathy with because they are free and democratic, NOT because of their religion. So, exactly as Genesis says, these people are fated to be up against each other and fight until the end of time. I note that the sons of Isaac and the sons of Ishmael who follow Christ, the Middle Eastern Christians, have no dog in this religious fight. The fact that Israel is FREE causes it to be a place that has a lot more Arab Christians in it than the the Arab countries. Religiously, BOTH sides are fanatic and cracked. But secularly, Israel is a free democracy and the Muslim enemies are not. THAT is why the US should support Israel, to break the teeth of the Muslim aggressors, since the Muslims hate us too. It isn't that Israel is Jewish, it's that Israel is FREE. THAT is why we should, and will, stand for Israel. The religious nature of the war between Muslims and Jews, both of whom are wrong from the perspective of Christians, is why it will be a forever war. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-10-09   23:03:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 6. #7. To: Vicomte13 (#6) NEITHER SIDE has God on its side. Professing themselves to be wise they became fools. God is 100 percent on the Jews side. That is why he brought them back to Israel as prophesied. You seem to be deceived and deceiving others. A K A Stone  posted on  2023-10-09 23:15:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Vicomte13 (#6) ] And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, A K A Stone  posted on  2023-10-09 23:18:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Vicomte13 (#6) “Son of man, prophesy against Gog and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of[a] Meshek and Tubal. 2 I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. 3 Then I will strike your bow from your left hand and make your arrows drop from your right hand. 4 On the mountains of Israel you will fall, you and all your troops and the nations with you. I will give you as food to all kinds of carrion birds and to the wild animals. 5 You will fall in the open field, for I have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord. 6 I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in safety in the coastlands, and they will know that I am the Lord. 7 “‘I will make known my holy name among my people Israel. I will no longer let my holy name be profaned, and the nations will know that I the Lord am the Holy One in Israel. 8 It is coming! It will surely take place, declares the Sovereign Lord. This is the day I have spoken of. 9 “‘Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up—the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears. For seven years they will use them for fuel. 10 They will not need to gather wood from the fields or cut it from the forests, because they will use the weapons for fuel. And they will plunder those who plundered them and loot those who looted them, declares the Sovereign Lord. 11 “‘On that day I will give Gog a burial place in Israel, in the valley of those who travel east of the Sea. It will block the way of travelers, because Gog and all his hordes will be buried there. So it will be called the Valley of Hamon Gog.[b] 12 “‘For seven months the Israelites will be burying them in order to cleanse the land. 13 All the people of the land will bury them, and the day I display my glory will be a memorable day for them, declares the Sovereign Lord. 14 People will be continually employed in cleansing the land. They will spread out across the land and, along with others, they will bury any bodies that are lying on the ground. “‘After the seven months they will carry out a more detailed search. 15 As they go through the land, anyone who sees a human bone will leave a marker beside it until the gravediggers bury it in the Valley of Hamon Gog, 16 near a town called Hamonah.[c] And so they will cleanse the land.’ 17 “Son of man, this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Call out to every kind of bird and all the wild animals: ‘Assemble and come together from all around to the sacrifice I am preparing for you, the great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel. There you will eat flesh and drink blood. 18 You will eat the flesh of mighty men and drink the blood of the princes of the earth as if they were rams and lambs, goats and bulls—all of them fattened animals from Bashan. 19 At the sacrifice I am preparing for you, you will eat fat till you are glutted and drink blood till you are drunk. 20 At my table you will eat your fill of horses and riders, mighty men and soldiers of every kind,’ declares the Sovereign Lord. 21 “I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay on them. 22 From that day forward the people of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. 23 And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offenses, and I hid my face from them. 25 “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will now restore the fortunes of Jacob[d] and will have compassion on all the people of Israel, and I will be zealous for my holy name. 26 They will forget their shame and all the unfaithfulness they showed toward me when they lived in safety in their land with no one to make them afraid. 27 When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of many nations. 28 Then they will know that I am the Lord their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind. 29 I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the people of Israel, declares the Sovereign Lord.” A K A Stone  posted on  2023-10-09 23:21:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 6. 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