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Title: The Democrats Plot to Turn Texas Blue
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URL Source: https://www.americanthinker.com/art ... s_plot_to_turn_texas_blue.html
Published: Oct 5, 2023
Author: Mark A Hewitt
Post Date: 2023-10-07 03:35:35 by 3-Dee
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Maybe you've seen it on FOX: Texas's Governor Abbott (R) declared that an invasion is happening on the southern border and moved to invoke invasion clauses of the U.S. and Texas constitutions to allow him to boost security at the border while clown reporters from lefty newspapers, like the Dallas Observer, disparagingly note that Gov. Abbott continues "invasion" rhetoric as Texas sees an increase in "migrant crossings."

I was with the U.S. Border Patrol, Del Rio Sector, from the mid-1990s to 2000, when Governor George Bush deployed Texas state troopers and the National Guard to Eagle Pass to repel the drug cartels' attempt to flood Texas with drugs. Their strategy to remove Border Patrol Agents from the border was effective. An overwhelming number of "migrants" would be sent across the border en masse to force Border Patrol agents to apprehend and transport the illegal aliens to a U.S. Border Patrol station. With all of the Eagle Pass station agents being pulled out of the field to process the apprehended illegal aliens, the drug cartels were provided an open border to move drugs and contraband into the United States. For several days, they flooded the area with drugs.

Governor Bush put state troopers and the National Guard on the border to stop the cartels' incursion into Texas, and equilibrium on the border was restored. Back in those days, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency, U.S. Customs, and the Border Patrol worked with the Mexican Federal Police and were active in attacking the drug cartels from the Mexico side of the border. Once the drug cartels were defeated, there were sufficient Border Patrol agents to handle the influx of aliens who crossed the border illegally.

Today, thoroughly corrupt Democrat party leadership facilitate Central and South American drug cartels' goals while non-governmental organizations, funded by the likes of George Soros, bankroll the movement of noncombatants into America for other purposes. It is a rare reporter who can get the rest of the story on the nightly news of what is happening on the border.

Not only are U.S. immigration laws being ignored, but the U.S. border is being purposely unsecured. Unlike the border activity in 1995–2000, where the drug cartels moved their drugs virtually unfettered into Texas in a small window of opportunity, today's cartels have no real threat to their operation. But for some, the most important activity occurring on the border is that the preponderance of illegal crossers are military- age men. The Democrat party and their friends are facilitating an invasion of potential combatants into Texas.

Is this movement of military-age men into America happening all across the southern border? You will not get a legitimate answer from any of the news outlets for a number of reasons. Whenever one gets too close to the truth, the media town criers shout from their network offices: conspiracy theories.

The French novelist Renaud Camus wrote You Will Not Replace Us. Wikipedia describes him as a conspiracy theorist, a white nationalist writer, and the inventor of the Great Replacement. His observations beginning in 1996 suggested that a "global elite" was colluding against the white population of France to replace them with non-European peoples. If you were to look at France today and the country's changing demographics, Camus is more Nostradamus than Henny Penny.

The conspiracy theory wasn't a conspiracy at all. Camus's words were simply leading indicators of the observable universe. Nearly thirty years later, does anyone truly believe that France is winning the battle with its illegal aliens from North Africa, who have no desire to assimilate? France's path is clear: if the French wish to survive, their only recourse and salvation is to expel their treasonous liberal leaders from power and deport the invaders. And France will not do that. It is lost.

There is a lesson in there. More illegal immigration will eventually yield the desired socialist outcome. When that occurs, all that will be necessary is to switch the French Tricolor with the green flag of the Muslim Brotherhood.

When that occurs, if there is still a NATO, will France still be a member? Doubtful, but this is the nature of power politics and the power of Replacement Theory.

In the United States, Democrats have also embraced the Great Replacement using illegal aliens. Their goal is to flip a hard red Texas. However, Governor Abbott bussed a preponderance of military-age illegal aliens out of Texas to Democrat-run hellholes in California that identify as "sanctuary cities." This is called changing the dynamic. In the other, now increasingly hard red state of Florida, Governor DeSantis moves military-age illegal aliens out to those wonderful Democrat-run garden spots, like Philadelphia and New York City, that also identify as welcoming-arms and "sanctuary cities."

Suddenly, New York and California don't like "migrants" in their sanctuary cities. ¡No más!

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#1. To: 3-Dee (#0)

A plot very likely to succeed.

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-10-07   8:16:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: 3-Dee (#0)

Texas will certainly be majority Hispanic, if it isn't already. And historically, Hispanic voters have voted 65% Democrats and 35% Republican. The longer that Hispanics are American, the more Republican they become (because they are certainly NOT socially liberal people at all). But initially, and as long as they are in poverty, they vote for Democrats because Democrats give them benefits.

So, given that Hispanics are coming to be the majority in Texas, Republicans will have to rethink their political approach if they don't want to lose the state.

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-10-07   10:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#2)

"...initially, and as long as they are in poverty, they vote for Democrats because Democrats give them benefits. So, given that Hispanics are coming to be the majority in Texas, Republicans will have to rethink their political approach if they don't want to lose the state."

I hope you aren't saying Texas GOPers need to buy into the allure of offering unlimited, cradle-to-grave welfare benefits. America already has far too many folks riding on the Federal Gravy Train, and not enough folks willing to work for a living...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2023-10-07   11:59:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: 3-Dee (#0)

The French novelist Renaud Camus wrote You Will Not Replace Us. Wikipedia describes him as a conspiracy theorist, a white nationalist writer, and the inventor of the Great Replacement. His observations beginning in 1996 suggested that a "global elite" was colluding against the white population of France to replace them with non-European peoples. If you were to look at France today and the country's changing demographics, Camus is more Nostradamus than Henny Penny. The conspiracy theory wasn't a conspiracy at all. Camus's words were simply leading indicators of the observable universe. Nearly thirty years later, does anyone truly believe that France is winning the battle with its illegal aliens from North Africa, who have no desire to assimilate? France's path is clear: if the French wish to survive, their only recourse and salvation is to expel their treasonous liberal leaders from power and deport the invaders. And France will not do that. It is lost."

Immigration without assimilation inevitably leads to Civil War...at the rate Biden is escorting in these ILLEGAL Invaders, some sort of MAJOR political unrest is all but assured...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2023-10-07   12:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Mudboy Slim (#3)

I hope you aren't saying Texas GOPers need to buy into the allure of offering unlimited, cradle-to-grave welfare benefits. America already has far too many folks riding on the Federal Gravy Train, and not enough folks willing to work for a living...MUD

All the Mexicans I've ever seen work two or three jobs, harder than Americans.

I have not suggested answers.

I have said, and I am saying, that if the Republicans don't figure out an appeal to Hispanics, they will lose Texas, and with Texas, any ability to ever muster a political majority. At that point, it doesn't matter what they believe, as they will be permanently out of power, and paying whatever taxes Democrats impose on them.

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-10-07   13:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

I agree with your assessment of most Hispanics I have personally encountered, yet the omnipresent lure of forcing others to subsidize your life choices has ensnared far too many native-born Americans. We just need to start sending ILLEGALS back where they came from and tell them to get in line...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2023-10-07   14:42:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Mudboy Slim (#6)

The government has to do that. That's the "we", with the authorities, the guns, the courts, etc. If the government won't - and the Democrats certainly won't because they see immigration as their long term strategy for permanent victory - then the Republicans have to do something to capture the Hispanic vote. If they don't - and I quite frankly see no realism on the part of Republicans at all, no willingness to think or bend or compromise on anything - then the Republicans will simply be outnumbered, Texas and other rural states will go blue, and the Republicans will lose everything forever, period..

I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat either. I don't want to see the Democrats simply win by overwhelming the country But I see that the Democrats ARE winning, and will continue to win, because alll the Republicans do is screw up their faces angrily, ball up their fists, and shout no, no, no.

Well, yes, yes yes. It's happening, and the Republicans are going to be overwhelmed and lose everything, unless they can appeal to Hispanics. Right now, they are not even trying. So in the end the Republicans will have very strong opinions, and be in the minority, and not get their way on anything.

I'm an Independent, so we already know that the neither the Democrats nor the Republicans give a shit about what I think until the elections. Then they woo me until they win, then forget I exist. I could propose ideas about what the Reoublicans could do, but Republicans don't seem inclined to listen. Ultimately, the Republican Party is not my circus and not my monkey. THEY have to come up with a new approach to Hispanics, and they are not. So they're going the way of the Dodo bird. Their choice.

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-10-07   15:47:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#7)

epublicans have to do something to capture the Hispanic vote.

We shouldn't have to appeal to foreigners. Deport them all. Deport the anchor babies too. They aren't citizens.

A K A Stone  posted on  2023-10-07   16:35:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#8)

Hispanics who vote are not foreigners. The immigrants are foreigners, but they have kids, lots of kids, who are Americans, mostly poor Americans. And those Americans vote Democrat 65/35. Thus, in time, Texas and the rural South,and the Midwest, loaded with Hispanic immigrant farmworkers' children, become blue.

We're not going to practice mass deportation. Trump built some parts of a wall, but he didn't attempt mass deportation. Who, then, will? Nobody. So, the Hispanics are here to stay, and their children are Americans who vote.

What is the Republican plan?

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-10-07   18:28:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: All (#9)

Truth is, you're not going to be able to stiff-arm the Hispanics, and any attempt to do so will both be blocked by the Democrats, so you can't do it even if you want to, AND it will drive the Hispanics further over to the Democrats, making your electoral future worse.

You have to actually think about it. You're not going to jam something into their faces: you are not strong enough, and they and the Democrats combined are far too strong for that.

Instead, you have to think about how you can co-opt the Hispanics. Because if you do, getting 50% of the Hispanic vote (up from 35%) flips the script on the Democrats. Suddenly THEY are in the minority, BECAUSE they have left the Border open.

Republicans need a rethink.

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-10-08   12:23:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#2)

Texas will certainly be majority Hispanic, if it isn't already.

It is and it has been, for a number of years.

3-Dee  posted on  2023-10-19   4:32:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13 (#2)

(because they are certainly NOT socially liberal people at all)

No, but let's hear your definition of "socially liberal." As you have already stated, they are mostly Democrat. Most Democrats I know are socially liberal.

3-Dee  posted on  2023-10-19   4:37:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#8)

We shouldn't have to appeal to foreigners.

We really shouldn't have to. The country is being changed dramatically by what is happening.

3-Dee  posted on  2023-10-19   4:45:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

ork two or three jobs, harder than Americans

How many have you seen? I've known many Americans who are VERY hardworking and they worked two or three jobs or extremely long hours. They worked harder than anyone else. It was people like these that made the U.S. great. You don't seem to like Americans. You make disparaging remarks. Are you a foreigner?

3-Dee  posted on  2023-10-19   5:23:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Vicomte13 (#10)

Republicans need a rethink.

Only an idiot would think we have to appeal to foreigners. Deport Deport Deport.

Then investigate people who say Republicans need to rethink. Those people are crooked and not pro American.

A K A Stone  posted on  2023-10-19   6:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: 3-Dee (#12)

Poor Hispanics are Democrat because they are poor.

"Socially liberal" means support for abortion, support for the gay movement, support for the trans. Whites are more supportive of gays than Hispanics. And support for abortion among Hispanics is related to poverty, not politics.

Poor Hispanics need help from the government to get buy. Unlike the poor blacks, who have a history of making a hammock out of social welfare, Hispanics are very hard working, and once they are able to get off of welfare, they do.

But you have to have the welfare when they need it. This is not "social liberalism", at all. It is economic necessity.

On socially relevant matters, Hispanics skew more conservative than whites. But they need money. So, you have to provide them the social welfare to be able to survive until they make it. Most do.

Understand that, embrace it, and provide it, and you will remove the one thing the Democrats offer them. If they can get the welfare they need from Republicans, they will vote Republican too. Right now, they can't. That's the problem the Republicans have. You can be socially conservative, but if you're too economic conservative, you can't hold the line in a country with too many poor people.

Many of the poor, Hispanics notably, are not socially liberal at all. But if it's a matter of eating and being homeless or not, they'll vote for the people who will house and feed them. This is the part that the Republicans have to rethink.

Hispanics need welfare, but with them, it Is not a forever thing. Republicans have to understand that and bite the bullet on it. If they do, they will gain a large number of followers and start winning elections in Hispanic areas.

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-10-20   18:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#15) (Edited)

Fine then, just lose and be irrelevant.

Your dream of what America should be is held by too few people to prevail in this democracy.

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-10-20   18:18:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Vicomte13 (#17)

says the fool who claims to raise lizards from the dead.

A K A Stone  posted on  2023-10-21   9:56:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Vicomte13 (#16)

No dumbfuck. they need to get out if our country. They are responsible for themselves. Not the taxpayesr. Spit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2023-10-21   9:58:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Vicomte13 (#17) (Edited)

Traitors talk about replacing Americans and making them irrelevant.

You are a democrat.

A K A Stone  posted on  2023-10-21   10:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#20) (Edited)

I'm not a Democrat. I'm an Independent who always votes Republican.

But guess what, if I decide to vote Democrat, I'll vote Democrat. There are more Democrats in this country than Republicans.

My problem with the Republicans right now is the same problem I have with them in the 1930s and early 1940s. They are becoming more and more isolationist. It didn't work then, and it won't work now.

We have to support Ukraine, Taiwan and Israel. We also have to guard our borders. We have to do a lot of very expensive things. That probably means raising taxes, particularly on the very wealthy. Sorry, that's just the way it is. We'll either spend what we should spend now, or neglect it and spend a lot more later, or refuse to spend what we need to spend and collapse. It's gonna take money, and the middle classes have no more to give. So we're going to have to get it from the upper classes. Calling me names (like "Democrat") won't change any of it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-10-27   10:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Vicomte13 (#21)

We have to support Ukraine, Taiwan and Israel.

We have to support...

Ukraine (Heavenly Israel)...no

Israel...hell, no (If they are God's chosen people, why do they need us?)

Taiwan...yes (they make decent products, good for business)

“America is a golden calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it piece by piece until there is nothing left but the world's biggest welfare state that we will create and control. This is what we do to countries that we hate. We destroy them very slowly.” 33deg Luciferian Freemason Benjamin Netanyahu

watchman  posted on  2023-10-27   11:52:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: watchman (#22)

If you view the world through the lens of your particular religion, you're going to think this way. So it comes down to a question of counting noses.

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-10-27   11:57:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Vicomte13 (#23) (Edited)

view the world through the lens

Through what lens do you view the world?

your particular religion

Fortunately, I have the one true religion...He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

watchman  posted on  2023-10-27   13:03:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: watchman (#24)

You think you believe in Jesus, and that I don't?

Jesus is the resurrected Son of God. That is obvious.

I don't believe other things that you believe in - these facts are not among them.

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-10-29   18:23:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Vicomte13 (#25)

You think you believe in Jesus, and that I don't?

If you believed unto salvation you would not want to murder people.

watchman  posted on  2023-10-29   19:04:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: watchman (#26)

I don't want to murder people. I want to end the terror of murderers. Because they are hellbent on killing, you have two choices: let them kill at will, or stop them. Stopping them requires force, and given that they are hellbent, that means killing them. There is no other way to do it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-10-30   10:18:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: watchman (#27)

I have a question for you. Looking back over history, I want to see what you think about each of the following things. You seem to have come out completely against violence of any kind - very Quaker of you. I want to see if you really mean it, if you really are opposed to violence in all cases. Or if your position depends upon the politics of the circumstances.

(1) World War II. Should the United States have fought Germany and Japan?

(2) Should the United States have bombed German or Japanese cities in World War II?

(3) The American Civil War. Should the North have fought the South to destroy slavery? If not, should the North just have let the South go? Is it justified to fight a war to end slavery?

(4) The Mexican-American War. Was it just for the United States to take territory from Mexico?

(5) The war of Texas Independence. Should the Texans have revolted and killed Mexican soldiers and officials in order to get political independence?

(6) The American Revolution. Were the Americans right to have killed British soldiers and officials to obtain their political independence?

Is it EVER right to kill people to obtain political independence or rights?

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-11-01   13:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Vicomte13 (#28)

Good question Vic.

Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world.

I didn't answer any of your questions.

A K A Stone  posted on  2023-11-01   13:14:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Vicomte13 (#28)

You seem to have come out completely against violence of any kind

I most certainly have not come out against violence of any kind.

But in war there are rules that are agreed upon, that if broken constitute war crimes.

One of those rules is the targeting of civilians (ie. women, children, etc.)

You, Vic, have called for Ukraine and Israel to commit war crimes. Of Ukraine you have called for the killing of every Russian man, woman and child, and to replace those killed with people better deserving of the land.

If you had God's Spirit within you He would prohibit you from wanting to kill non-combatants just to be rid of them in favor of someone else you deem more important or whatever genocidal reason you have.

Is it EVER right to kill people to obtain political independence or rights?

Yes, I believe we do have a right to fight for our freedoms, or to protect ourselves from harm, and to protect our neighbors from harm. But genocide is not our right.

Do you not realize that in calling for genocide God will bring genocide on you? God is not mocked, what you sow you shall also reap.

At this time there are Christians calling for carpet bombing of Gaza, the complete eradication of every man, woman, and child. What do you suppose God will do about this? I believe He will open the fourth seal on those Christians (and bring them straight to the bema seat for some very unpleasant discipline).

And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

watchman  posted on  2023-11-01   13:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: watchman (#30)

Will you answer my question or not? OF COURSE you won't. You love to moralize. and to try to change the subject. I'm not going to let you.

In the Ukraine especially, there are no Russian civilians at all. None are being killed. Russian soldiers are killing Ukrainian civilians. Very clear cut. And yet you condemn the Ukrainians. Your politics and sympathies show.

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-11-01   14:06:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Vicomte13 (#31)

Your politics and sympathies show.

I believe that both Putin and Zelensky follow the directives of the WEF. Both attended the WEF school for young leaders.

I believe both are working in unison to kill off the Slavs in a "meat grinder" so that that region can be made into "heavenly Jerusalem".

watchman  posted on  2023-11-01   14:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Vicomte13 (#31)

Will you answer my question or not? OF COURSE you won't.

I answered your question.

watchman  posted on  2023-11-01   14:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: watchman (#33)

No, you didn't. You wrote what you wanted to write. So I will ask it again, point by point:

(1) Should the US have fought the Germans and Japanese in World War II?

Why or why not?

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-11-01   14:47:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Vicomte13 (#34)

Should the US have fought the Germans and Japanese in World War II?

In the light of what we now know of Roosevelt's prior knowledge of Pearl Harbor? Or that Hitler was possibly a tool of the bankers to get as many Germans killed as possible? Or that we fought alongside Red communists who were far worse than Hitler?

Then there is the matter of Albert Pike's letter regarding 3 world wars. All the false flags that help get the wars cranked up...

Gee, Vic, I don't think all the facts are in.

Just or unjust...that is your question. So to justify all those wars you assigned to me...might need to let some dust settle before rendering a verdict.

The information highway has changed the way I understand history, including the wars we waged.

watchman  posted on  2023-11-01   17:29:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Vicomte13 (#34)

You wrote what you wanted to write.

I believe that both Putin and Zelensky follow the directives of the WEF. Both attended the WEF school for young leaders.

How quickly you turned the conversation away from my WEF comment.

We wont talk about it if it makes you uncomfortable.

watchman  posted on  2023-11-01   17:44:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: watchman (#30)

But in war there are rules that are agreed upon, that if broken constitute war crimes.

One of those rules is the targeting of civilians (ie. women, children, etc.)

1 Samuel 15:3 “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”

Was God a war criminal?

A K A Stone  posted on  2023-11-01   21:43:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#37) (Edited)

Was God a war criminal?

It is impossible for God to sin.

1 Samuel 15:3 is a direct command of God for a specific time and place.

Amalek was a descendant of Esau (Edom/red).

Saul did not obey therefore we have descendants of Amalek/Esau today.

Rabbi are now calling for the utter destruction of Amalek.

If you are a gentile/Christian living in Ohio, you are Amalek.

You call for the utter destruction of Amalekite Gaza...will you now submit to your own destruction?

Answer yes or no.

watchman  posted on  2023-11-02   7:24:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: watchman (#38)

You sound like a whiney lying faggot.

A K A Stone  posted on  2023-11-02   9:55:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: watchman (#35)

No, my question is not "just or unjust". 75 years after the fact you observe various letters and things unknown at the time (and the fact that FDR may have known about Pearl Harbor does not mean that the Japanese did not attack us there. With knowledge, we could have been more prepared, but the fact remains that we were at peace and they attacked us.)

My question was: Should we have fought or not?

In any given moment, we do not have the benefit of 75 years of hindsight. We have to decide NOW, based on what we know NOW. Nobody ever gets to project 75 years into the future and look back. (and even if you do, you don't get the totality of the facts obvious at the time).

It's very simple: if you were living in 1941, would you have supported the war against Germany or opposed it? Yes or no.,

That's all you ever get at any given moment. You have to decide based on what you know at the time, not based on what you might or might not know 75 years in the future.

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-11-02   10:05:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: watchman (#36)

Sorry, I answer you plenty. I will not answer you anymore at all until you answer me, directly: World War II, yes or no.

Wringing your hands and showing what you know does not divert the question. Yes or no.

Based on what you would have known in 1941, when Japan and Germany both attacked us (Germany declared war on us and immediately began sinking our ships, not us on Germany): yes or no.

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-11-02   10:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Vicomte13 (#40)

Good points Vic.

I can't say for sure because it isn't knowable in my opinion. But I think I would have supported it. WWII. Most likely.

Even though Pat Buchanan brings up good points.

A K A Stone  posted on  2023-11-02   10:08:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#42)

There are good points to be brought up after the fact and debated, but on December 7, 1941, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and destroyed a lot of ships, sailors and airmen, and on December 10, 1941, Germany declared war on us and immediately began sinking our ships and killing American sailors up and down the East Coast of the United States.

OF COURSE you would have supported the war! How could anybody not?

FDR may have left our guard down at Pearl, so that we got hit worse than he needed to, be he didn't make the Japanese sail a carrier battle fleet halfway across the Pacific and bomb the American fleet, The Japanese did that all on their own.

On December 8 we declared war on Japan, not Germany. It was Germany, on December 10, that declared war on us and immediately started torpedoing merchant vessels up and down the East Coast.

Really, what were we to do? NOT go to war with people who had already declared war on us? Were the Japanese JUSTIFIED in bombing the fleet in Pearl Harbor, or the Germans JUSTIFIED in sinking peaceful American merchant ships? No.

After the fact, you might look at some of the details and say "Well, that was not the best way to have handled it." You might say that about many things, with perfect knowledge after the fact.

But when Germany and Japan attack you and declare war on you, what are you going to? NOT go to war with people who have declared war on you and are attacking you? That's insane.

And you know it's insane. OF COURSE you would have supported World War II in 1941.

Maybe in 2023 you might say "That was done poorly", and who can argue that? A lot was done poorly. But it doesn't change the fact that, even now, with better hindsight, you would say that, on balance, of course we have to fight. Of course.

I lined up those questions to present situations that started with a no brainer. They declared war on us! How could we avoid war even if we wanted to? Surrender? But even on the no brainer question, I get waffling and an attempt to turn the question around by watchman.

It's ridiculous, and I'm not having it!

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-11-02   10:21:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: A K A Stone (#39)

Yes or no?

watchman  posted on  2023-11-02   10:37:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Vicomte13 (#40) (Edited)

My question was: Should we have fought or not?

When word reached my father that Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, he was working mules in a field. He tied the mules to a tree, sent word to my grandparents regarding the mules, and hitched a ride 30 miles to join up with the Navy.

I would have done the same thing.

Edit: my answer is yes.

watchman  posted on  2023-11-02   10:43:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#39)

Judging by your dodgy answer, I'll assume you don't want to be destroyed.

Who's the whiny faggot now, Amalekite boi...

watchman  posted on  2023-11-02   10:48:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: watchman (#45)

Good!

What about the war that removed slavery, the Civil War?

Vicomte13  posted on  2023-11-02   12:41:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Vicomte13 (#47)

I now see that asking questions is not good for a discussion forum.

watchman  posted on  2023-11-02   13:31:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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