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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Video and Audio See other Video and Audio Articles Title: Ukraine to become 'Big Israel'? Source: The Grayzone URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmICm4qO3i4 Published: Sep 20, 2023 Author: Max Blumenthal Post Date: 2023-09-20 00:18:04 by Charles_Byrd Keywords: None Views: 6630 Comments: 87 The Grayzone's Max Blumenthal addresses the Ron Paul Institute's 2023 Washington DC conference on the disturbing plans in Kiev and Washington to convert Ukraine into a "Big Israel," and what this means for the region and the future of US politics. Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 29. #1. To: Charles_Byrd (#0) Defeating Russia in the Ukraine is the key to the future. With Russia gone, we can focus on bringing China to a more rational stance, and avoid a war with them too. Russia delenda est. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-09-20   9:25:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Vicomte13 (#1) (Edited) "With Russia gone..." FWIW...Russia ain't going anywhere. At some point, we need to find a way to peacefully coexist. The less human blood sacrificed in that righteous quest, the better...MUD Mudboy Slim  posted on  2023-09-20   14:45:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Mudboy Slim (#4) Want to bet? The peace starts when Russia stays in its lane. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-09-21   21:56:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: All (#6) Otherwise the war continues. Russia is in a demographic, and therefore economic, death spiral. They will, in fact, cease to exist as a state if they engage in a forever war. They can't win, and they can't keep going forever. They can be stubborn cunts and keep it going until they screw themselves into the ground, and nobody will regret their passing. OR they could pull out, make peace, change governments and start to repair themselves. My bet is that they will remain stubborn, stupid cunts, and screw themselves into the ground proclaiming what a great nation they are, until they utterly collapse and cease to exist as an organized power. Ok. They're just not that important. The ONLY THING they have is nuclear weapons. And their system is so corrupt and falling backwards, there's no knowing how many of those even work. The rest of the world is not going to stand still in awe at Russia's nuclear arsenal. Nobody is going to invade them, but that's it. Nobody is going to let them invade their neighbors because they have nukes. Yeah? So do we. And we have more accurate, newer ones, and a Western world of about 2.5 billion people. If we DID have a nuclear exchange, we would lose a lot of people, that is true. Russia only has 140 million people. The race would be exterminated forever. The world would go and repair itself, WITHOUT Russia or Russians. There will not always be a Russia. The Russians have to start acting rationally if they want to survive. Aging nuclear weapons are the only line they have against being overrun by the Chinese, who claim Siberia. Russia doesn't have anywhere near the army to keep out the Chinese, only nukes could do it. OR Russia could knock off the oppression, join the West, and have the whole might of the West protecting them against China. But, like I said, the Russians are cunts, stupid cunts, so they're going to choose to fight the whole West in Ukraine, for as long as they can, and then collapse and cease to matter as a nation. Ok. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-09-22   12:26:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Vicomte13 (#7) "Russia is in a demographic, and therefore economic, death spiral. They will, in fact, cease to exist as a state if they engage in a forever war." While I agree nobody is making a bee-line to emigrate TO Russia, and with teir low, low birthrate, they--and the Chinese, btw--are facing a demographic downturn that will possibly be catastrophic. However, the U.S. is presently $33 TRILLION in debt with no will to curtail spending on domestic niceties, so engaging in a "forever war" via proxy will result in a financial collapse like we havben't seen in almost 100 years...MUD Mudboy Slim  posted on  2023-09-25   11:09:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Mudboy Slim (#8) So give Ukraine what it needs NOW, win the war, and be able to slash military expenses during the peace. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-09-25   17:05:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: Vicomte13 (#9) or take them out and become arrogant and have more wars. A K A Stone  posted on  2023-09-25   22:51:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: A K A Stone (#10) With ATACMs and F16, Ukraine will break the Russian defenses in the South and cut off Crimea and half the Russian army, and that will lead to taking back Crimea. Donbass is much harder, because it abuts Russia. Once Russia is driven back to just the Donbass, maybe a peace deal can be struck giving them the wrecked and depopulated Donbass. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-09-26   13:29:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: Vicomte13 (#11) Rev16.16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. Rev19.11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. The Khazars can genocide and take the land for "big Israel" but they will only hold it for a few short agony filled years. At which time God will come and literally cut their guts out and feed their flesh to the birds of the air. watchman  posted on  2023-09-26   18:37:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: watchman (#12) You think Revelation is about the war in Ukraine, eh? Vicomte13  posted on  2023-09-28   7:46:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: Vicomte13 (#15) Did a light just come on in your head? Try to keep up, Vic... watchman  posted on  2023-09-28   11:21:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: watchman (#17) A sort of light. The light is "He really believes that the Ukraine war has to do with John's dream in the Apocalypse." It's not "Wow, this is the end of times." When the world doesn't end, and no riders show up with seals, or sheep covered with eyes and the lot, it will be a disappointment for you, just as the world not ending a few years ago when those guys were certain it would. And yet they go on, convinced that the world is ending soon, and that they just miscalculated a little. Obviously I think a story told from the perspective of an ancient fever dream is not actual future history, and it has no predictive quality whatever. And just as obviously, you think it does. And we'll both go to our graves thinking that, but it won't be in the world ending. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-09-28   13:18:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: Vicomte13 (#18) no riders show up with seals I have explained ad nauseum to this forum the evidence of the white horse rider (the 1st seal) in 2020. Followed very clearly by the red horse rider in Feb. 2022, and now the unmistakable appearance of the Black horse rider of inflation for the working-class people. Amazingly, in 2020, we witnessed a peace treaty (the Abraham Accords) that fulfills Daniel9.27 But this alone is not sufficient. The real timekeeper of prophecy is Israel, being restored in the land, currently preparing to build a temple, obtaining red heifers for the cleansing, and the revealing of the man of lawlessness (who tells you in no uncertain terms who he is) who will become the long awaited Mashiach. Furthermore, we see the condition of humanity (delusional to believe the lies), and the churches (having fallen away, not restraining evil). What have I over looked? I'm sure there is more but what I have presented will suffice for a while. it will be a disappointment for you More than that, I will cease my ministry as "watchman". There is a time constraint. If the prophesy does not keep unfolding, time will run out. Everything is very unique in its fulfillment. Israel, the opening of the seals, the strong delusion, the falling away...for all these things to reappear at some later date, there would need to be a whole resetting of the world, just to swing around again and arrive at the circumstances we see now...probably take hundreds of years. Vic, prophesy WILL be fulfilled. Now is the time. The evidences are laid out for us to see. If all this adds up to nothing, then I resign. I am reminded of the verse where believers whose faith is based on a myth are most pathetic of all humanity... If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. So go ahead, throw your best objections at it. See if what I say will stand up to examination. watchman  posted on  2023-09-28   14:11:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: watchman (#19) There's just no point. We come from different poles of existence. Anything I could say might be insulting, and I don't want to do that. So, go in peace. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-09-28   21:14:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: Vicomte13 (#20) Anything I could say might be insulting No, not really. I may be right...I may be wrong. I look at scripture...I look at events taking place. We come from different poles of existence. You live in some other world? No. I think your reply is a cop-out. I think you simply do not wish to deal with Bible prophecy. Regardless of prophecy, Israel awaits their "messiah" and it does involve a Russia-Ukraine conflict. Just one random example...this from haaretz.com: FYI: Putin=Gog, Crimea=Magog, the Apocalypse Is Here and the Messiah Is Coming...https://www.haaretz.com/2014-03-29/ty-article/.premium/fyi- putin-gog-crimea-magog/0000017f-dc4b-db22-a17f-fcfbe4440000 watchman  posted on  2023-09-28   21:49:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: watchman (#21) It isn't that I don't want to "deal" with Bible prophesy. It is that you see the Bible as something very, very different than I do. And there isn't going to be meaningful conversation across this divide. You are certain that it's an account of divine origin of what will happen. And I think revelation is a fever dream of a guy named John in a period of persecution when he and what he believed was under terrible pressure. So, you look for signs of it coming to be, and I know that any such signs are just coincidental patterns with the wild and random stuff that some poor soul wrote 1900 years ago. You cannot understand why I don't fear God and the Bible. And while I understand that you really take Revelation literally, to me that is outside any realm of possibility. I don't want to insult you for doing it, but anything I say will, if pressed, end up being insulting, because I don't believe that what you believe in is real. I think it's make-believe, pretend. To be nice, I'll edge around the matter, treating it with kid gloves, but it's like dealing with a child who believes in the Easter Bunny. These are both harmless beliefs, in my eyes (if you were a Muslim, you would have already blocked me, because I have no patience at all for their ridiculous, evil, dystopian "Allah", with all of his villainy and misogyny, so I attack him by name, repeatedly, and anybody who sincerely believes that crap, as the evil that they actually ARE, BECAUSE they believe that crap, and the crap is bad.) I do not view contemporary evangelical Christianity in the same light as I view Islam, so I don't want to attack it. But when you get right down to it, I think revelation was a dream - and nothing more. So looking for traces of that dream in current events is, ultimately, not something I'm going to spend any time on. So, when I run into someone like you, that really believes it, I am patient and I try to be friendly. But the dire warnings about what awaits me if I don't believe it wears thin. Nothing awaits me if I don't believe it that wasn't awaiting me anyway. And if I do believe it (somehow), that won't change anything. This is the Truth. Obviously, you see a different truth. It's not a cop out to say that we really cannot communicate. If either one of us tries to build a bridge across the chasm, the other actively tears it down. Which is why I simply say "Peace" and try to move on. All we can do is bicker otherwise, and life is too short for that. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-09-29   9:07:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: Vicomte13 (#22) I think revelation is a fever dream What about the Book of Daniel...is that prophetic work a fever dream too? (Daniel and Revelation are companion books) I think revelation was a dream - and nothing more. What if you are wrong? watchman  posted on  2023-09-29   13:08:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: watchman (#23) The Book of Daniel is Old Testament Jewish fiction. I note that the Jews themselves do not consider Daniel to be among the "Prophets" - Nevi'im. They put it down with the Writings - Kethuvim - the least authoritative t parts of the Bible. I think that the Old Testament is the story of Jewish fascination with themselves, with being Jewish, with their chauvinism. And the New Testament letters are essentially fanfiction about Jesus...each writer being very different. Jesus is the only one in the Bible I actually care about, because what he taught, through through the filter of his Judaism, is the most enlightened set of ideas to come out of anybody in history. There's a reason so many people love him, and it's because he presents about the only way for men to make a better world. As far as "What if I'm wrong?" What if I'm wrong about anything? If I'm wrong about Allah, I'm headed for an eternity of torture. If I'm wrong about Ganesh, I'm going to have to deal with Shiva. If I'm wrong about Revelation? Jesus didn't say I had to believe in Revelation, so the consequences from the perspective of most of Christianity is minimal. The important thing, according to Jesus, is whether or not I do what he said to do. And what if I'm wrong about my investments? I'll end up poorer than otherwise. What if I am wrong about my child's development? She will not rise as far as she could. What if I'm wrong about there not being any space aliens? Well, if they ever show up, I'll admit I'm wrong. What if I'm wrong about good nutrition? I might shorten my life? There's nothing worse than being wrong about Allah, and he can go piss up a rope. If I'm wrong, it will be bad, but I'm not. All those people who blight their lives believing in him are wrong, and they won't ever get those years back, or the children they kill, etc. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-09-29   16:02:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: Vicomte13 (#24) Well, you've got your god in a nice little box, all under your control. Your god cannot do much (unless you say so). He cannot create the Universe and all that is in it. He cannot foretell the future. He cannot communicate his thoughts to his creation. Your god cannot save man eternally (he can just help men make a temporal "better world"). What else can your god not do? watchman  posted on  2023-09-29   17:00:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: watchman (#25) God can do all of those things, and he's gonna kill me in the end. So I really don't know what you're talking about. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-09-29   20:21:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: Vicomte13 (#26) he's gonna kill me in the end This is actually a troubling statement...something a fallen angel would say. Are you a demon? watchman  posted on  2023-09-30   10:42:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 29. #31. To: watchman (#29) Are you a demon? Sure. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-10-01 20:19:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 29. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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