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Source: The Grayzone URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmICm4qO3i4 Published: Sep 20, 2023 Author: Max Blumenthal Post Date: 2023-09-20 00:18:04 by Charles_Byrd Keywords: None Views: 12147 Comments: 87 The Grayzone's Max Blumenthal addresses the Ron Paul Institute's 2023 Washington DC conference on the disturbing plans in Kiev and Washington to convert Ukraine into a "Big Israel," and what this means for the region and the future of US politics. Click for Full Text! Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 10. #1. To: Charles_Byrd (#0) Defeating Russia in the Ukraine is the key to the future. With Russia gone, we can focus on bringing China to a more rational stance, and avoid a war with them too. Russia delenda est. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-09-20   9:25:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Vicomte13 (#1) (Edited) "With Russia gone..." FWIW...Russia ain't going anywhere. At some point, we need to find a way to peacefully coexist. The less human blood sacrificed in that righteous quest, the better...MUD Mudboy Slim  posted on  2023-09-20   14:45:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: Mudboy Slim (#4) Want to bet? The peace starts when Russia stays in its lane. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-09-21   21:56:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: All (#6) Otherwise the war continues. Russia is in a demographic, and therefore economic, death spiral. They will, in fact, cease to exist as a state if they engage in a forever war. They can't win, and they can't keep going forever. They can be stubborn cunts and keep it going until they screw themselves into the ground, and nobody will regret their passing. OR they could pull out, make peace, change governments and start to repair themselves. My bet is that they will remain stubborn, stupid cunts, and screw themselves into the ground proclaiming what a great nation they are, until they utterly collapse and cease to exist as an organized power. Ok. They're just not that important. The ONLY THING they have is nuclear weapons. And their system is so corrupt and falling backwards, there's no knowing how many of those even work. The rest of the world is not going to stand still in awe at Russia's nuclear arsenal. Nobody is going to invade them, but that's it. Nobody is going to let them invade their neighbors because they have nukes. Yeah? So do we. And we have more accurate, newer ones, and a Western world of about 2.5 billion people. If we DID have a nuclear exchange, we would lose a lot of people, that is true. Russia only has 140 million people. The race would be exterminated forever. The world would go and repair itself, WITHOUT Russia or Russians. There will not always be a Russia. The Russians have to start acting rationally if they want to survive. Aging nuclear weapons are the only line they have against being overrun by the Chinese, who claim Siberia. Russia doesn't have anywhere near the army to keep out the Chinese, only nukes could do it. OR Russia could knock off the oppression, join the West, and have the whole might of the West protecting them against China. But, like I said, the Russians are cunts, stupid cunts, so they're going to choose to fight the whole West in Ukraine, for as long as they can, and then collapse and cease to matter as a nation. Ok. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-09-22   12:26:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Vicomte13 (#7) "Russia is in a demographic, and therefore economic, death spiral. They will, in fact, cease to exist as a state if they engage in a forever war." While I agree nobody is making a bee-line to emigrate TO Russia, and with teir low, low birthrate, they--and the Chinese, btw--are facing a demographic downturn that will possibly be catastrophic. However, the U.S. is presently $33 TRILLION in debt with no will to curtail spending on domestic niceties, so engaging in a "forever war" via proxy will result in a financial collapse like we havben't seen in almost 100 years...MUD Mudboy Slim  posted on  2023-09-25   11:09:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: Mudboy Slim (#8) So give Ukraine what it needs NOW, win the war, and be able to slash military expenses during the peace. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-09-25   17:05:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: Vicomte13 (#9) or take them out and become arrogant and have more wars. A K A Stone  posted on  2023-09-25   22:51:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 10. #11. To: A K A Stone (#10) With ATACMs and F16, Ukraine will break the Russian defenses in the South and cut off Crimea and half the Russian army, and that will lead to taking back Crimea. Donbass is much harder, because it abuts Russia. Once Russia is driven back to just the Donbass, maybe a peace deal can be struck giving them the wrecked and depopulated Donbass. Vicomte13  posted on  2023-09-26 13:29:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 10. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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