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Title: Are Discernment Ministries a Good Thing?
Source: Converations With A Calvinist
URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJa3tD6RHLA
Published: Sep 15, 2023
Author: Pastor Keith Foskey
Post Date: 2023-09-15 02:22:30 by Charles_Byrd
Keywords: None
Views: 288
Comments: 2

In this podcast, Keith discusses the value of discernment ministries and the potential issues that they can sometimes cause. This is a profitable conversation about the heart behind defending truth and exposing error.

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#1. To: Charles_Byrd (#0)

defending truth and exposing error

What a tragic state of affairs.

O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

The world is in the midst of the Great Tribulation and these men are solely concerned with the errors of other Christians (normally a worthy endeavor).

They are not even curious as to revealing of the anti-Christ!

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

We see the son of perdition! ...therefore there had to have been the great apostasy. Why didn't we notice it? Because no one looked deeply enough, no one except a wonderful Greek teacher, Spiros Zodhiates. He made a comment on this verse back in 1989 that lodged in my brain all these years. "Falling away" (apostasia) is better understood "to place one's self apart from or to stand away from" (temporarily) rather than "to remove one's self entirely" (permanently).

A perfect diagnosis for a saved people who are nonetheless (temporarily) standing apart from God.

When we see the churches so absolutely disinterested in the evil that has conquered the world, and a man telling the world he is "the chosen one", "the king of Israel", and "the second coming of God" being fully endorsed by the churches!...Houston, we have a problem...a great "standing apart" for God and truth.

Discernment ministry? No!

watchman  posted on  2023-09-15   17:51:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Charles_Byrd (#0)

Discernment Ministries

Conversations With A Calvinist

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

...I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

Furthermore, I can't help but wonder if Keith and David have applied their discernment to Calvinism, that is, the idea that Calvinism might be an error that needs exposing:

In view of their Jewish problem, which affects the Catholic Church in a special way, we publish , the following amazing extracts from a number of speeches recently made under the auspices of a Jewish society in Paris...“we are the Fathers of all Revolutions-even of those which sometimes happen to turn against us. We are the supreme Masters of Peace and War. We can boast of being the Creators of the Reformation! Calvin was one of our Children; he was of Jewish descent, and was entrusted by Jewish authority and encouraged with Jewish finance to draft his scheme in the reformation.” source: https://joao.machado- family.com/2016/08/19/1936-catholic-gazette-plot-against-the-church/

Was John Calvin (Jean Cauvin) a Jewish agent sent to rock the foundation of the Christian churches?

It can be argued that a lone Catholic blog might not be the most reliable source of such information, but just a few years back these claims were made by a number of sources (now apparently scrubbed from the internet)

The internet says "Calvin caused 58 people to be executed"...what!

And Calvinism, in my opinion, is the most divisive doctrine ever introduced in the Protestant Reformation...so why not discern it?

Is this just another example of Christians lacking discernment, the great falling away (standing apart from God) that precedes the revealing of the lawless one?

Even so, discerning Calvinism is moot compared to what we are dealing with now...

watchman  posted on  2023-09-16   6:45:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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