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Title: Libertarianism Is Real Conservatism
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URL Source: http://www.amconmag.com/tactv/2010/ ... arianism-is-real-conservatism/
Published: Mar 9, 2010
Author: Jack Hunter
Post Date: 2010-03-09 12:15:50 by mininggold
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Views: 3930
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Libertarianism Is Real Conservatism During a question and answer session at this year’s Conservative Political Action Conference, one man opined “One thing I’ve learned here at CPAC is that the ‘C’ actually doesn’t stand for ‘Libertarianism,’ it’s not ‘L’PAC.” When Congressman Ron Paul won the annual straw poll at CPAC, talk host Rush Limbaugh made a point to tell his listeners that CPAC wasn’t conservative this year because a libertarian had won. Both men are worse than just wrong. They’re on crack. Probably the most popular and cited history of American conservatism, George H. Nash’s book The Conservative Intellectual Movement in America begins in 1945 — and it begins with libertarianism. Titled “The Revolt of the Libertarians,” the second paragraph of Nash’s first chapter states “For those who believed in the creed of old-fashioned, classical, nineteenth-century liberal individualism, 1945 was especially lonely, unpromising, and bleak. Free markets, private property, limited government, self reliance, laissez faire — it had been a long time since principles like these guided government and persuaded peoples.” Chronicling the intellectuals who tried to rectify this bleakness, Nash begins his history with two men — economists F.A. Hayek and Ludwig von Mises — and explains how these two libertarian heroes kick-started the American conservative movement. Few actually used the word “conservatism” in 1945, a term that began to gain popularity when Russell Kirk’s book “The Conservative Mind” was published in 1953 and with the founding of William F. Buckley’s National Review in 1955. Nash notes that even Kirk, who later had his own squabbles with fellow National Review writer and libertarian Frank Meyer, was first inspired by both Hayek and Mises, writing to a friend that these men represented a “great school of economists of a much sounder and different mind.” After Hayek and Mises, Nash then cites Albert Jay Nock, publisher of the unabashedly libertarian magazine “The Freeman,” in the 1920’s. Writes Nash “Nock came to exert a significant amount of influence on the postwar Right,” yet was so libertarian that “Nock verged on anarchism in his denunciations of the inherently aggrandizing State.” Noting the impression Nock made on a young Buckley, Nash explained that “It was Nockian libertarianism in fact, which exercised the first conservative influence on the future editor of National Review.” Nash’s entire book is a grand history of the mixture of conservatism and libertarianism, with the two often being indistinguishable. The American Spectator says of this work “Nash’s seminal book will remind today’s hotheads that the modern conservative movement was made possible by a coalition of traditionalists and libertarians…” Says president of the Heritage Foundation, Edwin J. Feulner, Jr. “Nash’s work is one of the very few books that must be read for a full understanding of the conservative movement in America.” Feulner’s Heritage Foundation advertises on Limbaugh’s show, and yet the talk host is seemingly oblivious to the fact that the American conservative movement could not have existed without libertarianism. Furthermore, pundits like Rush often claim to be “Reagan conservatives,” yet said Reagan, a man whose conservatism was developed during the same time that Nash chronicles “I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.” Dismissing libertarianism as not real conservatism is like dismissing filet mignon as not real steak — an attempt to marginalize a particular aspect of something that many have believed to be, as Reagan did, the meat of the matter. Indeed, advocating for “limited government” without employing some degree of libertarianism would be logistically impossible. Which is exactly why so many of today’s so-called “conservatives” are so quick to dismiss it. If there is an interloping ideology on the Right today, it is not libertarianism but neoconservatism, an ideology born not of limited government philosophy, but ex-Socialists who migrated Right as a reaction to the 1960’s counterculture, and who today are devoted to promoting the maintenance and expansion of America’s global empire. Whereas traditional conservatives considered war — and the massive bureaucracy necessary to wage it — an occasional, necessary evil (as Buckley conceded with the Cold War), neoconservatives consider perpetual war a positive good precisely because they believe it is America’s mission to export democracy around the world. Nash notes the divide “Whereas, for instance, conservatives had resisted Communism in the name of Western civilization, the neoconservatives of the 1980’s did so in the name of a neo-Wilsonian ideology of ‘global democratic capitalism.” Questioning the cost or wisdom of waging perpetual war is considered unconscionable or even “unpatriotic” to neoconservatives, which is why they are so dismissive of libertarians who insist on questioning foreign policy. Most neoconservatives also instinctively realize that their ideology is incompatible with libertarian’s pesky obsession with limited government, giving neocons good reason to marginalize or expel any hint of libertarian influence that threatens to expose the statist nature of today’s mainstream conservative movement. It was no accident that the Bush-Cheney administration offered zero, traditional, limited government conservatism, but a healthy dose of neoconservatism in the form of unprecedented, preventive war and massive government growth. It is also no mistake that would-be future “conservative” leaders like Mitt Romney now write books explicitly promising more war and implicitly more government, while continuing to enjoy the support of pundits like Limbaugh. Considering their new, radical definition, it’s easy to see why Rush and other mainstream conservatives don’t consider libertarians part of their movement — because they’re not. And while it remains to be seen how the irreconcilable differences will play out between limited government libertarians (whose numbers are growing) and big government neoconservatives (whose ideology still dominates), let there be no more ignorance about which philosophy is truly more alien to the historical American conservative movement — and let there be no further delusions about which philosophy was most responsible for creating
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#1. To: mininggold (#0)
Ron Paul's fanatical supporters showed up for the straw poll. Those that are actually serious political players didn't bother trying to find the booths to make a meaningless vote. The plain truth is Ron Paul can't win a state wide election in Texas. He couldn't get elected outside of his small, odd, district there. Just the facts related to Ron Paul, resident GOP crank.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Only because the RINO Party machine would not only refuse to support him,but would spend money and man hours supporting any RINO opponent that ran against him. The RINO's had no problem supporting and getting your hero Boy Jorge elected,did they? That says a lot about both them and about Texas.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
I don't believe that MODERN Libertarianism is Conservatism either. Modern Libertarianism derives NOT from the Founders like Washington, Franklain, Madison, Jefferson, etc. Rather it derives from an ATHEISTIC movement originally known as "Objectivism" before they stole the "Libertarian" name originated by the ATHEIST novelist Ayn Rand. No matter how much Rand may have pushed for seemingly "conservative" ideas like Capitalism, Individualism, sound money and property rights her philosophy would probably prove to be just as much a failure as its enemies Communism and Socialism because of the ATHEISM undergirding all three movements. The rights and responsibilities of the individual while in a body on this planet derive from GOD, not the State (Communism/Socialism/Fascism/Progressivism) or a natural economic system (Objectivism/"LIbertarianism"). The belief that individual rights and responsibilities derive from GOD is CONSTITUTIONALISM and I believe it is the closest to Conservatism as that philosophy's founders intended.
The RINO's had no problem supporting and getting your hero Boy Jorge elected,did they? That says a lot about both them and about Texas. But dontchaknow the RINO party won't support him because he can't win outside his little weird district. More Neocon self fulfilling prophecy. lolol
Good to see you around these parts again snake.
1. bush was never my 'hero' asshole. 2. Ron Paul can't get elected outside of his odd district. You could put 150 million plus behind him, and he STILL couldn't win a state wide election in TEXAS, let alone a national contest for President. 3. You demonstrate a complete lack of political reality here, par for the course with you. Have a nice day.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Yeah,he was and is. You have never seen a neo-con you don't love. Anybody with the magic R behind their name gets your devotion. You don't get called Boteye for nothing.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Petey the database shows otherwise...you know this, you know I voted AGAINST the GOP in 2006. So the question becomes why are you flat out lying here? Whats the fuckin point?
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
You don't get called pussy for nothing either, buttlips. (chuckle)
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Putting aside the irony of you commenting on anyone's lips, Fishface...sneaky is far and above more honorable and more honest than you could ever hope to be. His farts have more integrity than you. Badeye Family Coat of Arms
Day 17 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 15 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
Sorry...meant to ping you to above too...
Day 17 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 15 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
Says the man dressed in polyester and giving himself hummers.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
That right pussy, says me.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
You've got a lot of mouth on you for a dweeb in polyester that blows neo-cons.
"I adore John McCain, support him 100 percent and will do everything I can to support his reelection. As everyone knows, I was honored and proud to run with him. And Todd and I were with him in D.C. just a week ago." (Sarah Palin,Dec 2009) ************************************ DID Palin say or write these things or not? (Me) I don't know or F ing care. (Mad Dog posted on 2009-12-26 16:36:33 ET,post # 105 http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5510&Disp=114#C114)
Ooo...that left a mark...(laughing)
Day 18 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 16 of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
The data base says Boofer will start name calling and then generally gang up with the posters who post articles professing their love for Bush and how much they miss Bush or Sarah Palin, to distract any poster daring to post support for any candidate not GOP approved.
In 2006?? One mid term election hardly could be called a trend. LOLOLOL
What the LP record actually shows [surprise surprise surprise] is that Boofer actually DIDN'T vote against them...he voted for Ken "Ain't Gonna Be No Recount" Blackwell...Boy Blunder's thieving bitch in Ohio...he voted GOP and he overtly hoped that the Dems would not take over the Congress. He also claimed that he was going to vote for the Dem candidate "who ever he is" who ran against DeWine. Then he reneged saying that he couldn't vote for that Dem. So..."who ever he is" turned out to mean "no fucking way will I vote for a Dem."
Day 19 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 17 of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
Whatever pussy.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Sure, kookie, sure.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Whatever Boofer...
Day 19 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 17 of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
#2. To: Badeye (#1)
The plain truth is Ron Paul can't win a state wide election in Texas. He couldn't get elected outside of his small, odd, district there.
#3. To: Badeye (#1)
Oh what a DUFFLE-HEAD that Barack Obama is !!! Duffle-Head (As used in a Felix the Cat cartoon) A wicked person of limited intelegence but with pretenses of intelectual grandeur. Their only successful endevors are usually the invention of self punishment machines.
#4. To: sneakypete (#2)
Only because the RINO Party machine would not only refuse to support him,but would spend money and man hours supporting any RINO opponent that ran against him.
#5. To: Coral Snake (#3)
#6. To: sneakypete (#2)
The RINO's had no problem supporting and getting your hero Boy Jorge elected,did they?
#7. To: Badeye (#6)
1. bush was never my 'hero' asshole.
#8. To: sneakypete (#7)
#9. To: sneakypete (#7)
You don't get called Boteye for nothing.
#10. To: Boofer (#9)
(Edited)
You don't get called pussy for nothing either, buttlips. (chuckle)
#11. To: sneakypete (#10)
#12. To: Badeye (#9)
You don't get called pussy for nothing either, buttlips. (chuckle)
#13. To: sneakypete (#12)
#14. To: Badeye (#13)
That right pussy, says me.
#15. To: sneakypete (#14)
for a dweeb in polyester that blows neo-cons
#16. To: sneakypete (#14)
(Edited)
You've got a lot of mouth on you for a dweeb in polyester that blows neo-cons.
#17. To: Badeye (#8)
Petey the database shows otherwise...you know this, you know I voted AGAINST the GOP in 2006.
#18. To: mininggold (#17)
(Edited)
#19. To: sneakypete (#14)
#20. To: mininggold (#17)
#21. To: Boofer (#19)
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