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Title: Here’s a BIG Difference Between Bush and Obama Policy
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URL Source: http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/03 ... between-bush-and-obama-policy/
Published: Mar 3, 2010
Author: David Forsmark
Post Date: 2010-03-03 10:10:53 by dont eat that
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Views: 12413
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Under Obama foreign policy, this guy would be still doing this to other people. Here’s a BIG Difference Between Bush and Obama Policy 2010 March 3 by David Forsmark Under Obama foreign policy, this guy would be still doing this to other people. Ryan Mauro replied to my post that it does matter whether Republicans and Democrats are in charge of foreign policy with this fair point: David Forsmark replied to my post about the George W. Obama Administration here, titled “Yes, Ryan, There IS a Difference Between the 2 Parties on National Security.” Just a little clarification: I was comparing the Obama and Bush Administrations, not necessarily both parties, and I didn’t say there was no difference at all, just nothing really decisive in my opinion. Well, I’d say Saddam could point out one decisive difference for you, Ryan. And, as you yourself point out, the “surge” would not have happened under Obama and Iraq would be well on its way to slipping back into tyranny. Moreover, giving Obama credit that CIA interrogators are not being prosecuted, that KSM is not being tried in New York, or that the Patriot Act was renewed thanks to public pressure (and great work by Congressmen Pete Hoekstra and Peter King holding their feet to the public fire) is like giving the Clintons credit that Hillarycare did not become reality. Yes, Obama has sometimes bowed to reality, particularly in foreign policy. But every instinct of this Administration has initially taken it in the opposite direction until it had to be dragged kicking and screaming to a politically defensible position. The fact that this has not led to a major disaster yet, is just good fortune. I would rather not have to bet on it continuing.
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#46. To: go65 (#43)
How do you know? tens of thousands more wouldn't be maimed, Saddam Hussein was going to stop maiming people? and the country wouldn't have run up a $trillion in debt during the Bush years. What's going to be Obama's reason for running up a 10 trillion dollar debt during his years?
Whatever kookie. Go look for evidence of a fake moon landing...
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Yes it was. History will note it a hundred years from now. And it didn't run up a trillion dollar debt. Nice spin for DU or dailykos, but not here.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Boy Blunder's unpaid for liabilities...
Day 10 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 8 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
Being a liberal means you pretend the Soviet Union didn't attack every single nation that had a common border with them post WWII. Irrational fear? God, what a dunce. Then again, being a Democrat means you ignore reality. And history apparently.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Most of the liabilities of the Federal government go back to Johnson and FDR. Are you going to be blaming them, too?
Are you going to be blaming them, too? Why don't you just go all the way back to Lincoln.
Are you going to be blaming them, too? No. All of humankind's problems begin with Bush and end with Bush. Bush was too stupid to tie his shoes, but he was smart enough to create a hurricane to destroy New Orleans. Bush spent too much money, but he didn't spend enough. All the world hated us when Bush was prez, but they all love us now. Bush's wars are evil, but Obama's are good. Running up a trillion dollar debt was bad when Bush did it, but running up a multi-trillion dollar debt is good when Obama does it. Wiretapping is bad when Bush does it, but it is good when Obama does it. That's all for today. Class will resume this time tomorrow. For your homework, face Washington DC and say five "Hail Obamas."
Obammy sez it rotflmao! Ain't that the truth.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
When did the USSR attack China or Iran or North Korea? The biggest lie of the 20th century is found in the fact that Soviet hegemony in the Eastern Bloc was a Post WWII phenomenom. Serbia started WWI...who was its staunchest ally?
Day 10 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 8 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
When did they attack Mongolia, China, Turkey, and Iran?
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
You know, the GOP might actually still control the Congress and the WH if not for the decision to invade Iraq.
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
I swear to God that if you substituted Don Knots for John Belushi in Animal House [Was it over when the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor?!?] you'd have a better grasp of Boofer moments like these...
Day 10 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 8 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
The best thing that happened to Boy Blunder in 2004 was John Kerry...
Day 10 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 8 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
I challenge you to point out a) where Obama has even started a war let alone b) cite anyone here who has proclaimed it good... Running up a trillion dollar debt was bad when Bush did it, but running up a multi-trillion dollar debt is good when Obama does it. The majority of debt that has been run up is a direct result of the failures of Obama's predecessor. You cannot spin your way out of that in any way...
Day 10 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 8 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
You're right. All humankind's problems begin with Bush and end with Bush. How could I have fogotten
Obammy sez it Yea...the reaction while Sputnik flew over head was very rational... Ferrering out Hollywood screen wrters was another...
Day 10 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 8 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
Look it up, that way it 'sticks'. The cross border transgressions are well documented, if you look for them.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
As I said, you cannot spin out of it. He left everything a fucking mess and it started with the insane tax cuts and ended with a total abdication of any sense of fiscal or regulatory discipline.
Day 10 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 8 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
Doubt it. The spending had pissed off so many within the base..and the fact is total control by either party is bad for 'We the People'.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
We're not your file clerks, Boofer...but given your past history of the four boards from which you've been banned, and the tens of thousands of posts in which you've said this, it's a sure sign that you're lying.
Day 10 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 8 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
(laughing)
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
It's also not lost on me that you folks claim to dislike what he did while refusing to acknowledge the long term effects of it... But then both of you should keep reading go's tagline and maybe you'll stop feeling the need to prove it...
Day 10 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 8 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
Yeah, empires that build walls to keep their law abiding citizens IN are not a threat to anybody. The fact that our biggest allies in Europe are the freed satellite nations says nothing either does it? If we had just let the misunderstood Soviets have their way around the world, all would be lollipops and butterflies and lemonade! What a fantasy land you people live in.
That would be a bad move on our part at the present time. The younger generation of Iranians are revolting. They have no love for Ahmadinejad or the religious leaders. An attack on Iran would turn them against us with disasterous results. Iran is approxiamtely 3 times the size of Iraq, and we were never able to quell the violence in that country.
Iraq is "balkanized", but unlike the previous failed experiment in nation building, Iraqi's aren't going to stop killing each other any time soon. There are way too many internal divisions and they lack an iron-handed leader to hold the country together.
Democracy Could Transform Middle East, Says Bush Democracy could bring a new future to the Middle East by undermining extremism and giving voice to millions of families across the region yearning for justice and tolerance, freedom and hope, says President Bush. “These values are the self-evident right of all people, of all religions, in all of the world,” Bush said in a May 15 speech to Israel’s parliament, the Knesset, as the country celebrates the 60th anniversary of its founding. Since independence, Israel has built a thriving democracy with a dynamic economy and open society, all the while under continuous threat from the forces of extremism, Bush said. A new generation of regional leaders must defy extremists by making the hard choices necessary for peace, rooted in democratic values. “We must stand with the reformers working to break the old patterns of tyranny and despair. We must give voice to the millions of ordinary people who dream of a better life in freedom.” “Leaders who are accountable to their people will not pursue endless confrontation and bloodshed. Young people with a place in their society and a voice in their future are less likely to search for meaning in radicalism. And societies where citizens can express their conscience and worship their God will not export violence, they will be partners for peace,” Bush said. Democratic values have shaped Israel’s “unbreakable” alliance with the United States, Bush said. Democracies such as the United States and Israel counter the darker visions offered by the terrorists groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaida. “These killers claim the mantle of Islam, but they are not religious men. No one who prays to the God of Abraham could strap a suicide vest to an innocent child,” Bush said. “In truth, the men who carry out these savage acts serve no higher goal than their own desire for power. They accept no God before themselves.” As a leading sponsor of terrorism, Iran also must be prevented from acquiring nuclear weapons, Bush said. “[Israeli] Jews and Americans have seen the consequences of disregarding the words of leaders who espouse hatred. And that is a mistake the world must not repeat in the 21st century.” By standing behind democratic reforms in the region and steadfastly defending its freedoms, Israel could celebrate its 120th anniversary beside a free and prosperous Palestinian state and a region transformed, Bush predicted. “From Cairo and Riyadh to Baghdad and Beirut, people will live in free and independent societies, where a desire for peace is reinforced by ties of diplomacy, tourism, and trade. Iran and Syria will be peaceful nations, where today’s oppression is a distant memory and people are free to speak their minds and develop their talents,” he said. “I truly believe that if we stay firm in our resolve, resist the temptation to give in to the terrorists, and believe in the transformative capacity of liberty, someday other nations in the region will share the blessings of democracy and liberty,” Bush said in an address later in the evening at Jerusalem’s Israel Museum. “Someday, they'll know that they'll have governments that respond to the people. They'll build schools instead of bombs. They'll not want a war with their neighbors -- but want to live in peace. And that's the dream, and that's the hope. And I firmly believe it can come true.” Bush urged critics to consider how democracy has shaped today’s Israel, as well as transformed other regions of the world in the past 60 years. “When Europe was destroying itself through total war and genocide, it was difficult to envision a continent that six decades later would be free and at peace. When Japanese pilots were flying suicide missions into American battleships, it seemed impossible that six decades later Japan would be a democracy, a lynchpin of security in [East] Asia, and one of America’s closest friends.” “This fundamental insight, that freedom yields peace, is the great lesson of the 20th century. Now our task is to apply it in the 21st,” Bush said.
Chuckles...it says quite a bit...but none more than you're a fucking loon if you actually believe that...
Day 10 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 8 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
Well, you ain't so attractive yourself (:
I stated a couple of years ago that if anything overthrows the Iranian government it will be the internet...
Day 10 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 8 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
Bush screwed things up royally. It would take years for the country to recover. but read on . . . Obama IS SCREWING THINGS UP spectacularly - and the country will never recover. Obammy sez it Oh, that right. We do have a new asshole administration here. http://europeansecurity.blogactiv.eu/2009/09/20/is-russian-diplomacy-a-zero-sum-game/
Thats an opinon/guess. So far, it doesn't look that way.
my anti groupie can't get through life without me.
Show Boof where you live, Wavie...
Day 10 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 8 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
We haven't recovered from Boy Blunder yet and NO ONE who won in '08 would have it straightened out by now. You folks took YEARS to wake up to the fact that Boy Blunder was fucking every poodle that he could find...so excuse me if your opinion means dick...
Day 10 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 8 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
Answer me this: How can he be so stupid AND so diabolically evil at the same time? You really should see someone about your fixations. Seriously.
Obammy sez it Feel free to show me any philosophical pardigm in which incompetency is incompatible with evil. Thanks...
Day 10 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 8 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
Thanks... Well, not if you believe in a "devil." But I thought you didn't. Or - is Bush the devil. Ah . . . that's it!
Obammy sez it Feel free to say what you mean. You posed the question...now you appear to not even understand what you asked... You asked how someone who is stupid could also be evil as if they are mutually exclusive...they aren't. That was my answer.
Day 10 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 8 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
I wasn't clear in my question. No, it is not impossible for someone to be evil AND stupid. Of course not. But when I included "diabolically evil" in my question, it implied an intelligence. After all, it takes talent and an intelligence to screw things up as much as you say that Bush did. Isn't he "the worst president ever" according to you? war, I'm telling you this not necessarily as a friend, but as someone who hates to see someone who is intelligent (as I believe you are) morph into someone who is mad. You have lost all perspective. I don't know your situation, or how it is that you are able to post as much as you do. But seriously - your fixations (on Bush, on anonymous posters like Badeye and packrat) are not healthy. I'm serious in this. And you can take it for what you will. All the best.
Obammy sez it Au contraire...my perspective is dead on balls. We got here through a good 6 years of absolutely disastrous fiscal policy that began with the tex cuts and continued along with the off budget financing of the WOT. The last two years, he could have stepped up to the plate...got the proper regulatory agencies involved in the financial system. The biggest lie being told is that there were no safeguards. That's wrong. I sit through 4 compliance meetings a year. When I was a banker, I sat through more. This financial mess was caused by a failure at the US Treasury...the Comptroller and the FRB. All of these bodies had and still have the regulatory authority to reign in leverage. BY 2008, the market was a joke...you had guys making LEVERAGED bets on LEVERAGED businesses that had LEVERAGED holdings of LEVERAGED paper that was backed by LEVERAGED assets. I had been warning about these excesses for years dude and got literally laughed at by the IMSR's and Boofers at LP. I was called a Doom and Gloomer. Hell, a month before the official start of the recession you had bots like Domer STILL ridiculing my prediction that we were months away from a total collapse of the financiall system/ As for Boofer, he's a human pinata who deserves to be whacked and whacked hard at his every turn. HE can't take losing and I will continue to rub his nose in it for as long as he cares to show up. This is your buddy Boofer and why I will always remind him as to what a piece of shit he is: Goldi, The next time this poster mentions my legal name, in any respect, on this website, I will post his entire background. Full name. Full address. Mother and Father's legal name. His curious 'civil court' record. Phone number, ISP, email. All of it. I've noted the last couple of times he's done this, you've taken no action. No problem, I've been 'outted' as you know. But just as I dealt with that idiot malador, I'll do the same with this punk. Your call, Goldi. I'd rather you put a stop to it, but since you are in ignore mode on this one...no problem. I'll wait 24 hours for you to see this, before nuking him. Badeye posted on 2007-01-02 12:53:22 ET Reply Trace PS: HIs legal name was NEVER mentioned by anyone other than...HIM...
Day 10 of Packrat refusing to register here. Day 8 Of Boofer The One Eyed Wonder Bot refusing to answer: When is Blackwell going to have the recount? Jan 30, 2006 ... by saveliberty (Proud to be Head Snowflake, Bushbot...
4,400 Americans would still be alive
#47. To: mininggold (#42)
#48. To: go65 (#43)
#49. To: dont eat that (#46)
What's going to be Obama's reason for running up a 10 trillion dollar debt during his years?
#50. To: dont eat that (#45)
#51. To: war (#49)
#52. To: dont eat that (#51)
Most of the liabilities of the Federal government go back to Johnson and FDR.
#53. To: dont eat that (#51)
Most of the liabilities of the Federal government go back to Johnson and FDR.
I believes it
an' that settles it!
#54. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#53)
#55. To: Badeye (#50)
(Edited)
Being a liberal means you pretend the Soviet Union didn't attack every single nation that had a common border with them post WWII.
#56. To: Badeye (#50)
Being a liberal means you pretend the Soviet Union didn't attack every single nation that had a common border with them post WWII.
#57. To: Badeye (#48)
Yes it was. History will note it a hundred years from now.
#58. To: go65 (#56)
(Edited)
the Soviet Union didn't attack every single nation that had a common border with them post WWII.
#59. To: go65 (#57)
(Edited)
#60. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#53)
(Edited)
Bush's wars are evil, but Obama's are good.
#61. To: war (#60)
failures of Obama's predecessor.
I believes it
an' that settles it!
#62. To: dont eat that (#45)
(Edited)
what a ridiculous comment
#63. To: go65 (#56)
#64. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#61)
(Edited)
#65. To: go65 (#57)
#66. To: Badeye, go65 (#63)
(Edited)
Look it up,
#67. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#61)
#68. To: Get Outta Dodge!, badeye, go65 (#61)
(Edited)
#69. To: war (#62)
#70. To: mininggold (#31)
The big country in the middle is the only logical choice to be the next area of interest.
#71. To: Badeye (#27)
Nothing to indicate that will be the result. In fact, the indicators show the exact opposite.
#72. To: war (#68)
It's also
not very much lost on me that you folks claim to dislike applaud what he did while refusing to acknowledge quite well realizing the long term effects of it...
#73. To: dont eat that (#69)
The fact that our biggest allies in Europe are the freed satellite nations says nothing either does it?
#74. To: Sarajevo (#70)
The younger generation of Iranians are revolting.
#75. To: Sarajevo (#70)
. The younger generation of Iranians are revolting.
#76. To: war, go65 (#68)
It's also not lost on me that you folks claim to dislike what [Bush] did while refusing to acknowledge the long term effects of it...
You want me to acknowlege what he did? Okay. But then both of you should keep reading go's tagline and maybe you'll stop feeling the need to prove it...
go65 - while probably a nice person - is a shill the same as you are. Unlike you two, I have the ability to think beyond the two-party (GOP bad, Dems good) paradigm.
I believes it
an' that settles it!
#77. To: war (#73)
huckles...it says quite a bit...but none more than you're a fucking loon if you actually believe that...
#78. To: Sarajevo (#71)
#79. To: Badeye, Sarajevo (#78)
#80. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#76)
(Edited)
Obama IS SCREWING THINGS UP spectacularly - and the country will never recover.
#81. To: war (#80)
Boy Blunder
I believes it
an' that settles it!
#82. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#81)
#83. To: war (#82)
Feel free to show me any philosophical pardigm in which incompetency is incompatible with evil.
I believes it
an' that settles it!
#84. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#83)
(Edited)
#85. To: war (#84)
I believes it
an' that settles it!
#86. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#85)
(Edited)
You have lost all perspective.
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