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Title: Here’s a BIG Difference Between Bush and Obama Policy
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URL Source: http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/03 ... between-bush-and-obama-policy/
Published: Mar 3, 2010
Author: David Forsmark
Post Date: 2010-03-03 10:10:53 by dont eat that
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Views: 13609
Comments: 86
Under Obama foreign policy, this guy would be still doing this to other people. Here’s a BIG Difference Between Bush and Obama Policy 2010 March 3 by David Forsmark Under Obama foreign policy, this guy would be still doing this to other people. Ryan Mauro replied to my post that it does matter whether Republicans and Democrats are in charge of foreign policy with this fair point: David Forsmark replied to my post about the George W. Obama Administration here, titled “Yes, Ryan, There IS a Difference Between the 2 Parties on National Security.” Just a little clarification: I was comparing the Obama and Bush Administrations, not necessarily both parties, and I didn’t say there was no difference at all, just nothing really decisive in my opinion. Well, I’d say Saddam could point out one decisive difference for you, Ryan. And, as you yourself point out, the “surge” would not have happened under Obama and Iraq would be well on its way to slipping back into tyranny. Moreover, giving Obama credit that CIA interrogators are not being prosecuted, that KSM is not being tried in New York, or that the Patriot Act was renewed thanks to public pressure (and great work by Congressmen Pete Hoekstra and Peter King holding their feet to the public fire) is like giving the Clintons credit that Hillarycare did not become reality. Yes, Obama has sometimes bowed to reality, particularly in foreign policy. But every instinct of this Administration has initially taken it in the opposite direction until it had to be dragged kicking and screaming to a politically defensible position. The fact that this has not led to a major disaster yet, is just good fortune. I would rather not have to bet on it continuing.
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#1. To: dont eat that (#0)
Saddam was tried and executed under existing Iraqi law...or so we were told... Is that no longer the case?
4,400 Americans would still be alive, tens of thousands more wouldn't be maimed, and the country wouldn't have run up a $trillion in debt during the Bush years. Was all that worth it?
How do you know? tens of thousands more wouldn't be maimed, Saddam Hussein was going to stop maiming people? and the country wouldn't have run up a $trillion in debt during the Bush years. What's going to be Obama's reason for running up a 10 trillion dollar debt during his years?
Boy Blunder's unpaid for liabilities...
Most of the liabilities of the Federal government go back to Johnson and FDR. Are you going to be blaming them, too?
Are you going to be blaming them, too? No. All of humankind's problems begin with Bush and end with Bush. Bush was too stupid to tie his shoes, but he was smart enough to create a hurricane to destroy New Orleans. Bush spent too much money, but he didn't spend enough. All the world hated us when Bush was prez, but they all love us now. Bush's wars are evil, but Obama's are good. Running up a trillion dollar debt was bad when Bush did it, but running up a multi-trillion dollar debt is good when Obama does it. Wiretapping is bad when Bush does it, but it is good when Obama does it. That's all for today. Class will resume this time tomorrow. For your homework, face Washington DC and say five "Hail Obamas."
I challenge you to point out a) where Obama has even started a war let alone b) cite anyone here who has proclaimed it good... Running up a trillion dollar debt was bad when Bush did it, but running up a multi-trillion dollar debt is good when Obama does it. The majority of debt that has been run up is a direct result of the failures of Obama's predecessor. You cannot spin your way out of that in any way...
You're right. All humankind's problems begin with Bush and end with Bush. How could I have fogotten
It's also not lost on me that you folks claim to dislike what he did while refusing to acknowledge the long term effects of it... But then both of you should keep reading go's tagline and maybe you'll stop feeling the need to prove it...
#72. To: war (#68)
Democracy Could Transform Middle East, Says Bush Democracy could bring a new future to the Middle East by undermining extremism and giving voice to millions of families across the region yearning for justice and tolerance, freedom and hope, says President Bush. “These values are the self-evident right of all people, of all religions, in all of the world,” Bush said in a May 15 speech to Israel’s parliament, the Knesset, as the country celebrates the 60th anniversary of its founding. Since independence, Israel has built a thriving democracy with a dynamic economy and open society, all the while under continuous threat from the forces of extremism, Bush said. A new generation of regional leaders must defy extremists by making the hard choices necessary for peace, rooted in democratic values. “We must stand with the reformers working to break the old patterns of tyranny and despair. We must give voice to the millions of ordinary people who dream of a better life in freedom.” “Leaders who are accountable to their people will not pursue endless confrontation and bloodshed. Young people with a place in their society and a voice in their future are less likely to search for meaning in radicalism. And societies where citizens can express their conscience and worship their God will not export violence, they will be partners for peace,” Bush said. Democratic values have shaped Israel’s “unbreakable” alliance with the United States, Bush said. Democracies such as the United States and Israel counter the darker visions offered by the terrorists groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaida. “These killers claim the mantle of Islam, but they are not religious men. No one who prays to the God of Abraham could strap a suicide vest to an innocent child,” Bush said. “In truth, the men who carry out these savage acts serve no higher goal than their own desire for power. They accept no God before themselves.” As a leading sponsor of terrorism, Iran also must be prevented from acquiring nuclear weapons, Bush said. “[Israeli] Jews and Americans have seen the consequences of disregarding the words of leaders who espouse hatred. And that is a mistake the world must not repeat in the 21st century.” By standing behind democratic reforms in the region and steadfastly defending its freedoms, Israel could celebrate its 120th anniversary beside a free and prosperous Palestinian state and a region transformed, Bush predicted. “From Cairo and Riyadh to Baghdad and Beirut, people will live in free and independent societies, where a desire for peace is reinforced by ties of diplomacy, tourism, and trade. Iran and Syria will be peaceful nations, where today’s oppression is a distant memory and people are free to speak their minds and develop their talents,” he said. “I truly believe that if we stay firm in our resolve, resist the temptation to give in to the terrorists, and believe in the transformative capacity of liberty, someday other nations in the region will share the blessings of democracy and liberty,” Bush said in an address later in the evening at Jerusalem’s Israel Museum. “Someday, they'll know that they'll have governments that respond to the people. They'll build schools instead of bombs. They'll not want a war with their neighbors -- but want to live in peace. And that's the dream, and that's the hope. And I firmly believe it can come true.” Bush urged critics to consider how democracy has shaped today’s Israel, as well as transformed other regions of the world in the past 60 years. “When Europe was destroying itself through total war and genocide, it was difficult to envision a continent that six decades later would be free and at peace. When Japanese pilots were flying suicide missions into American battleships, it seemed impossible that six decades later Japan would be a democracy, a lynchpin of security in [East] Asia, and one of America’s closest friends.” “This fundamental insight, that freedom yields peace, is the great lesson of the 20th century. Now our task is to apply it in the 21st,” Bush said.
Bush screwed things up royally. It would take years for the country to recover. but read on . . . Obama IS SCREWING THINGS UP spectacularly - and the country will never recover.
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#43. To: war (#1)
Under Obama foreign policy, this guy would be still doing this to other people.
#46. To: go65 (#43)
4,400 Americans would still be alive
#49. To: dont eat that (#46)
What's going to be Obama's reason for running up a 10 trillion dollar debt during his years?
#51. To: war (#49)
#53. To: dont eat that (#51)
Most of the liabilities of the Federal government go back to Johnson and FDR.
#60. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#53)
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Bush's wars are evil, but Obama's are good.
#61. To: war (#60)
failures of Obama's predecessor.
#68. To: Get Outta Dodge!, badeye, go65 (#61)
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Replies to Comment # 68. It's also
not very much lost on me that you folks claim to dislike applaud what he did while refusing to acknowledge quite well realizing the long term effects of it...
#76. To: war, go65 (#68)
It's also not lost on me that you folks claim to dislike what [Bush] did while refusing to acknowledge the long term effects of it...
You want me to acknowlege what he did? Okay. But then both of you should keep reading go's tagline and maybe you'll stop feeling the need to prove it...
go65 - while probably a nice person - is a shill the same as you are. Unlike you two, I have the ability to think beyond the two-party (GOP bad, Dems good) paradigm.
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