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Title: Here’s a BIG Difference Between Bush and Obama Policy
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/03 ... between-bush-and-obama-policy/
Published: Mar 3, 2010
Author: David Forsmark
Post Date: 2010-03-03 10:10:53 by dont eat that
Keywords: None
Views: 14312
Comments: 86

Under Obama foreign policy, this guy would be still doing this to other people.

Here’s a BIG Difference Between Bush and Obama Policy 2010 March 3 by David Forsmark

Under Obama foreign policy, this guy would be still doing this to other people.

Ryan Mauro replied to my post that it does matter whether Republicans and Democrats are in charge of foreign policy with this fair point:

David Forsmark replied to my post about the George W. Obama Administration here, titled “Yes, Ryan, There IS a Difference Between the 2 Parties on National Security.” Just a little clarification: I was comparing the Obama and Bush Administrations, not necessarily both parties, and I didn’t say there was no difference at all, just nothing really decisive in my opinion.

Well, I’d say Saddam could point out one decisive difference for you, Ryan.

And, as you yourself point out, the “surge” would not have happened under Obama and Iraq would be well on its way to slipping back into tyranny.

Moreover, giving Obama credit that CIA interrogators are not being prosecuted, that KSM is not being tried in New York, or that the Patriot Act was renewed thanks to public pressure (and great work by Congressmen Pete Hoekstra and Peter King holding their feet to the public fire) is like giving the Clintons credit that Hillarycare did not become reality.

Yes, Obama has sometimes bowed to reality, particularly in foreign policy. But every instinct of this Administration has initially taken it in the opposite direction until it had to be dragged kicking and screaming to a politically defensible position.

The fact that this has not led to a major disaster yet, is just good fortune. I would rather not have to bet on it continuing. (1 image)

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#1. To: dont eat that (#0)

Saddam was tried and executed under existing Iraqi law...or so we were told...

Is that no longer the case?

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war  posted on  2010-03-03   10:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: war (#1)

As if that would ever have happened if Mandingo had been President.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-03   10:19:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: war (#1)

My biggest problem is that there isn't enough differences between Bush and Obama policies.

Bartcoprules  posted on  2010-03-03   10:26:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Bartcoprules (#3)

Ditto...he was too pro conventional war in Afghanistan and too waffling on Iraq...

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war  posted on  2010-03-03   10:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: dont eat that (#2) (Edited)

Are you going to answer the question?

And most everyone in the region agrees invading Iraq was a mistake. It has next to no popular support...barely does in the US...it was the worst foreign policy blunder ever made by a POTUS.

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war  posted on  2010-03-03   10:28:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Bartcoprules (#3)

Mandingo realized when he took Office that Bush was right and his leftist anti-war campaign rhetoric was complete bullshit.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-03   10:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: war (#4)

Yep. Let's hope that the Bonnies restore some sports pride to WNY tonight.

Bartcoprules  posted on  2010-03-03   10:29:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Bartcoprules (#7)

Lalime played well...his bane has always been that straight on shot tho...ask Ottawa...

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war  posted on  2010-03-03   10:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Bartcoprules (#7)

Mandingo realized when he took Office that Bush was right

Wha...chuckle...huh? If anything, he realized what an absoluet cludter fuck it was and is and that the logistics alone of pulling out troops is staggering...not to mention the fact that they've ben refereeing without a rule book for 7 years...

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war  posted on  2010-03-03   10:35:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Padlock (#9)

Ping to above...sorry..pinged wrong person...

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war  posted on  2010-03-03   10:37:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: war (#8)

Providing the basketball games doesn't go into ot, I will be at the local watering hole for the 3rd period of tonights game against the caps.

Bartcoprules  posted on  2010-03-03   10:38:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: war (#10)

Is padlock saying he likes Obama now?

Bartcoprules  posted on  2010-03-03   10:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: war (#5)

It was answered.

Bush gave them the opportunity to try Saddam.

That never would have happened under Mr. "57 States."

And most everyone in the region agrees invading Iraq was a mistake. It has next to no popular support...barely does in the US...it was the worst foreign policy blunder ever made by a POTUS.

Bullshit anti-war rhetoric. The success in Iraq will reshape the region. Even Mandingo and Gaffe Biden can't resist jumping on the bandwagon.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-03   10:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: war (#9)

Iraq is now a success. Just ask Mandingo and Gaffe.

But then, it has been since Bush conducted the surge they opposed.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-03   10:43:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: dont eat that (#14)

Iraq is now a success.

Bullshit.

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war  posted on  2010-03-03   10:44:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: dont eat that (#13)

You are under the mistaken impression that I agree with the foreign polocy of the current administration that there word would carry some sway with me.

I have been diametrically opposed to our policy in Iraq since Carter supported Saudi Arabi's efforts to get Iraq to attack Iran.

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war  posted on  2010-03-03   10:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Bartcoprules (#11)

Dude...they make beer to go...cheaper too and in this weather you don't have to put it in the fridge...

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war  posted on  2010-03-03   10:47:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: dont eat that (#13)

The success in Iraq will reshape the region.

Since history shows that world empires always live happily ever after, which country do you propose invading next?

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-03   10:50:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#18)

Since history shows that world empires always live happily ever after,

A false assumption about intentions in Iraq.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-03   10:55:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: dont eat that (#14)

Iraq is now a success.

BS. Iraq will degenerate into a black hole.

Sarajevo  posted on  2010-03-03   10:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: dont eat that (#19) (Edited)

A false assumption about intentions in Iraq.

We've buit permanent structures there to house US troops perpetually. We also hold their hands and tell them "There there..screw the elections...we'll make sure everything stays okay..." everytime they are supposed to have one...

IF killing Saddam was the goal as well as transferring US tax dollars to various Boy Blunder/Big Dick's cronies then the invasion was a success. By any real measure of success it's an abject failure...

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war  posted on  2010-03-03   11:00:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: dont eat that (#19)

A false assumption about intentions in Iraq.

The correct assumption is we didn't have any business invading Iraq (or any other country, either - with damn few exceptions. One being unless our interests are DIRECTLY affected.)

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-03   11:08:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: war (#17)

Dude...they make beer to go...cheaper too and in this weather you don't have to put it in the fridge..

True. But the local watering hole has good wings and is roughly 2 blocks further away from my fridge

Bartcoprules  posted on  2010-03-03   11:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Bartcoprules (#23)

But the local watering hole has good wings...

Okay....pint, er, point to you...

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war  posted on  2010-03-03   11:46:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: war (#21)

Just as we've done in Germany, Japan, Korea, Phillipines, Central America, etc.

And we haven't established empires.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-03   11:53:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: dont eat that (#25)

Just as we've done in Germany, Japan, Korea, Phillipines, Central America, etc.

And we haven't established empires.

Germany and Japan was a DECLARED war. There was a surrender involved.

Korea was a "police" action. Last I checked, there's still a North Korea. And we still have troops on the Korean peninsula - almost 60 years later.

That doesn't have the trappings of an empire?

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-03   12:02:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Sarajevo (#20)

Nothing to indicate that will be the result. In fact, the indicators show the exact opposite.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-03   12:08:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#22)

Perhaps. But the fact remains we won the war, and it appears the aftermath of the war as well.

Another Democracy in the Middle East is a very good thing.

Ask Iran, cause they damn sure aren't happy about it.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-03   12:09:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#26)

None of what you post shows 'empire building' nor does it distract from the point being made.

In fact, you should look up the term 'empire' based on what your saying here.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-03   12:10:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Badeye (#28)

I'm Pat Buchanan when it comes to the US sticking its nose into other country's business.

Sadly - me and Pat are about the only ones.

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-03-03   12:13:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Sarajevo (#20) (Edited)

BS. Iraq will degenerate into a black hole.

It's all part of the staging. We now have some control over two widely separated but strategically placed countries. The big country in the middle is the only logical choice to be the next area of interest. The area is also on some ancient maps as part of a large homeland for some "chosen" people.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-03   12:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#30)

Fine, that view was aired repeatedly, and rejected.

My point is it doesn't matter here, today.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-03   12:14:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: dont eat that (#25)

Just as we've done in Germany, Japan

Declared wars and had there been no Cold War hysteria we'd have been out of there when Stevenson was POTUS.

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#34. To: Bartcoprules (#12)

I have no idea what Padlock says other than "Boy Blunder - Good...Obama - Nigger"...

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war  posted on  2010-03-03   12:16:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: war (#33)

Stevenson

Another dumbass. No wonder you admire him.

dont eat that  posted on  2010-03-03   12:16:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Badeye (#32)

Fine, that view was aired repeatedly, and rejected.

My point is it doesn't matter here, today.

Nobody has elected you the arbiter of "views" here. So get over yourself.

mininggold  posted on  2010-03-03   12:17:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: mininggold (#36)

Fuck off kookie, the adults are talking.

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-03-03   12:17:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: war (#24)

Okay....pint, er, point to you...

Any reason it can't be both?

Bartcoprules  posted on  2010-03-03   12:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Badeye (#37)

Fuck off kookie, the adults are talking.

Not with you in the room. It's impossible. You devolve whereever you are, Boof...

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#40. To: Bartcoprules (#38)

Kewel...BOTH to you then and again...

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war  posted on  2010-03-03   12:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: dont eat that (#35)

I've made no statement about Stevenson but if we don't engage in the irrational fear of the USSR there is no need to elect a general.

Dosns't matter tho...Ike totally turned on the people who elected him and gave us Earl Warren which, given that the nation was a step away from fascism, was a good thing...

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