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Title: Navy Will Soon Let Women Serve On Subs
Source: Associated Press
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Published: Feb 23, 2010
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2010-02-23 17:14:35 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 619
Comments: 22

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Pentagon has moved to lift a decades-old policy that prohibits women from serving aboard Navy submarines, part of a gradual reconsideration of women's roles in a military fighting two wars whose front lines can be anywhere.

At issue is the end of a policy that kept women from serving aboard the last type of ship off-limits to them. The thinking was that the close quarters aboard subs would make coed service difficult to manage.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates notified Congress in a letter signed Friday that the Navy intends to repeal the ban on women sailors on subs. Congress has 30 days to weigh in.

"He supports the Navy's efforts to change their policy," Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said Tuesday.

A defense official told The Associated Press that numerous physical changes to submarines would have to be made, but that cadets who graduate from the Naval Academy this year could be among the first Navy women to take submarine posts.

The change was first reported by ABC News.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because Congress has not yet had a chance to consider the Navy's recommendations.

The Navy's plan would phase in women's service, beginning with officers aboard the larger subs that are easier to retrofit for coed quarters. Women would never serve solo.

Because of the length of time required for training, it would be more than a year before the first women joined subs, assuming Congress raises no major objections that slow the schedule.

Women began serving aboard the Navy's surface ships in 1993.

Since then, many of the distinctions between who is in combat and who is not have been erased.

Women are formally banned from combat posts in the Army, for instance, but routinely serve in jobs such as medics, pilots and drivers that place them shoulder to shoulder with men serving in "combat" jobs.

Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey told Congress on Tuesday that he supports a reconsideration of women's combat roles.

"I believe it's time that we take a look at what women are actually doing in Iraq and Afghanistan. And then we take a look at our policies," Casey told the Senate Armed Services Committee. While no organized effort is under way, "I think it's time," he added.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

Gives new meaning to the term "hot-racking".

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-02-23   18:01:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Get Outta Dodge! (#1)

It's a morale issue.

echo5sierra  posted on  2010-02-23   22:40:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: echo5sierra (#2)

Morale?

It's a social issue.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-02-23   23:06:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Fred Jerx (#3)

Morale?

It's a social issue.

STFU ya drunken communist stringy blue hair f@@K.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-02-23   23:15:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: e_type_jag, echo5sierra, Fred Mertz (#4)

It's a morale issue.

Morale?

It's a social issue.

Yep. Social engineering. Job 1 of the US Navy.

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-02-24   7:36:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Get Outta Dodge!, e_type_jag, Fred Mertz (#5)

of course it is a morale issue. It gets really lonely on subs, so the Navy is putting women on ships as part of the Morale, Welfare and Recreation program.

Instead of the prostitutes following the army around, they are now part of it.

This is really going to be good. The submarine divorce rate will skyrocket even more now, with any married man stuck in a little cigar for six months at a time with women he is not married to.

Mullen is a moron. Or evil.

echo5sierra  posted on  2010-02-24   8:13:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: echo5sierra (#6)

You just described a social issue...

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war  posted on  2010-02-24   8:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Brian S (#0)

This will prove to be a very very expensive mistake.

Watch and see.

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Badeye  posted on  2010-02-24   10:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Badeye (#8)

This will prove to be a very very expensive mistake.

How so?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-02-24   10:52:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Fred Mertz (#9)

Boofer doesn't know...he just needed to type something...

Hey...he was in the Navy...just ask him...he'll tell ya...but...if you don't ask him...just wait...he'll tell ya anyway...(laughing)

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war  posted on  2010-02-24   10:58:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Fred Mertz (#9)

The intensive training required before you get assigned to a fleet submarine costs the taxpayers a bundle, Fred. Compare that cost to the average 'sailor' and its staggering.

Then note the pregnancy rate among the rest of the fleet that has women stationed onboard ships.

Then do the math, cause that 'rate' will be very similiar among the subs.

The military is not the place for social experimentation in most areas. In some very specific ones (subs, special forces, combat aircraft) the training costs - call it taxpayer investment - is so high doing this is going to cost millions upon millions each and every year.

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Badeye  posted on  2010-02-24   10:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Badeye (#11)

Then note the pregnancy rate among the rest of the fleet that has women stationed onboard ships.

The rate is insignificant and less than what was anticipated...

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war  posted on  2010-02-24   11:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Badeye (#11)

Then note the pregnancy rate among the rest of the fleet that has women stationed onboard ships.

Again, referring to my tag line, here are the facts:

The Navy has studied the impact of pregnancy on operations and has found that the pregnancy rate varies across ship types and across individual ships. It was noted in a 1999 NPRDC study that the presence of strong female leadership on the ships (E-7 and above) was significant in keeping the pregnancy rates low. There are also indications that leadership is an important factor in preventing losses due to pregnancy.

However, studies have shown that pregnant military women lose no more work time than military men (U. S. Navy Work Loss Studies-NPRDC), who lose more time due to sports injuries and disciplinary reasons. Of course, individual situations vary, which provides anecdotal fodder for misinformation.

http://www.4militarywomen.org/Pregnancy.htm

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go65  posted on  2010-02-24   11:34:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: go65 (#13)

Of course, individual situations vary, which provides anecdotal fodder for misinformation.

Specific types of duty, and duty stations, render the 'averages' meaningless.

So much for your tagline hiding your ignorance on this specific topic, GO65.

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Badeye  posted on  2010-02-24   11:49:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Badeye (#14) (Edited)

Specific types of duty, and duty stations, render the 'averages' meaningless.

Thanks Admiral Boofer...

Meanwhile, the study, aimed specifically at women on board ships, stands and you don't...

But we do enjoy your displays of ignorance...

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war  posted on  2010-02-24   11:55:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Badeye, Get Outta Dodge!, e_type_jag (#11)

onboard ships.

Navy don't go "onboard ships"

Navy don't got ships.....only boats:)

(Just sayin)

Anyway....this is yet another social engineering fiasco that will lead to a morale decline.

Leave it to barack to find a way to accomplish the typical multiple (in this case 2) stupid objectives with one decree.

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-02-25   1:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: e_type_jag (#16)

Leave it to barack to find a way to accomplish the typical multiple (in this case 2) stupid objectives with one decree.

You see? The man IS talented

Obammy sez it
I believes it
an' that settles it!

Get Outta Dodge!  posted on  2010-02-25   7:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: e_type_jag (#16)

Hasn't Boofer told you yet? He hasn't? Well just look on his sleeve. It states that he SERVED on "ships"...we've narrowed it down to one of three but we are certain that it was during a period of unusual darkness during non daylight hours somewhere in the Indian Ocean...

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war  posted on  2010-02-25   8:07:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: e_type_jag (#16) (Edited)

Anyway....this is yet another social engineering fiasco that will lead to a morale decline.

You folks throw that phrase around in a manner in which makes me believe that you are clueless as to what it means.

A) A soldiers morale is never very high...

B) A soldier will have to get over it...just as they did when Truman ordered that guys who look like you must serve next to guys who look like Padlock...

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war  posted on  2010-02-25   8:08:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: e_type_jag (#16)

Navy has several hundred 'ships'.

And quite a few submarines 'boats'.

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Badeye  posted on  2010-02-25   11:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Badeye (#20)

Navy has several hundred 'ships'

'kay...whatever.

My AB class was a boat....a pretty big boat...but a boat nontheless:)

Death to everybody who does not get outta my way.

e_type_jag  posted on  2010-02-26   0:55:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: e_type_jag (#21)

(laughing)

my anti groupie can't get through life without me.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-26   11:48:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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