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Title: Navy Will Soon Let Women Serve On Subs
Source: Associated Press
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Published: Feb 23, 2010
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2010-02-23 17:14:35 by Brian S
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Comments: 22

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Pentagon has moved to lift a decades-old policy that prohibits women from serving aboard Navy submarines, part of a gradual reconsideration of women's roles in a military fighting two wars whose front lines can be anywhere.

At issue is the end of a policy that kept women from serving aboard the last type of ship off-limits to them. The thinking was that the close quarters aboard subs would make coed service difficult to manage.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates notified Congress in a letter signed Friday that the Navy intends to repeal the ban on women sailors on subs. Congress has 30 days to weigh in.

"He supports the Navy's efforts to change their policy," Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said Tuesday.

A defense official told The Associated Press that numerous physical changes to submarines would have to be made, but that cadets who graduate from the Naval Academy this year could be among the first Navy women to take submarine posts.

The change was first reported by ABC News.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because Congress has not yet had a chance to consider the Navy's recommendations.

The Navy's plan would phase in women's service, beginning with officers aboard the larger subs that are easier to retrofit for coed quarters. Women would never serve solo.

Because of the length of time required for training, it would be more than a year before the first women joined subs, assuming Congress raises no major objections that slow the schedule.

Women began serving aboard the Navy's surface ships in 1993.

Since then, many of the distinctions between who is in combat and who is not have been erased.

Women are formally banned from combat posts in the Army, for instance, but routinely serve in jobs such as medics, pilots and drivers that place them shoulder to shoulder with men serving in "combat" jobs.

Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey told Congress on Tuesday that he supports a reconsideration of women's combat roles.

"I believe it's time that we take a look at what women are actually doing in Iraq and Afghanistan. And then we take a look at our policies," Casey told the Senate Armed Services Committee. While no organized effort is under way, "I think it's time," he added.

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#8. To: Brian S (#0)

This will prove to be a very very expensive mistake.

Watch and see.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-24   10:01:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Badeye (#8)

This will prove to be a very very expensive mistake.

How so?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-02-24   10:52:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Fred Mertz (#9)

The intensive training required before you get assigned to a fleet submarine costs the taxpayers a bundle, Fred. Compare that cost to the average 'sailor' and its staggering.

Then note the pregnancy rate among the rest of the fleet that has women stationed onboard ships.

Then do the math, cause that 'rate' will be very similiar among the subs.

The military is not the place for social experimentation in most areas. In some very specific ones (subs, special forces, combat aircraft) the training costs - call it taxpayer investment - is so high doing this is going to cost millions upon millions each and every year.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-24   10:59:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Badeye (#11)

Then note the pregnancy rate among the rest of the fleet that has women stationed onboard ships.

Again, referring to my tag line, here are the facts:

The Navy has studied the impact of pregnancy on operations and has found that the pregnancy rate varies across ship types and across individual ships. It was noted in a 1999 NPRDC study that the presence of strong female leadership on the ships (E-7 and above) was significant in keeping the pregnancy rates low. There are also indications that leadership is an important factor in preventing losses due to pregnancy.

However, studies have shown that pregnant military women lose no more work time than military men (U. S. Navy Work Loss Studies-NPRDC), who lose more time due to sports injuries and disciplinary reasons. Of course, individual situations vary, which provides anecdotal fodder for misinformation.

http://www.4militarywomen.org/Pregnancy.htm

go65  posted on  2010-02-24   11:34:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: go65 (#13)

Of course, individual situations vary, which provides anecdotal fodder for misinformation.

Specific types of duty, and duty stations, render the 'averages' meaningless.

So much for your tagline hiding your ignorance on this specific topic, GO65.

Badeye  posted on  2010-02-24   11:49:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Badeye (#14) (Edited)

Specific types of duty, and duty stations, render the 'averages' meaningless.

Thanks Admiral Boofer...

Meanwhile, the study, aimed specifically at women on board ships, stands and you don't...

But we do enjoy your displays of ignorance...

war  posted on  2010-02-24   11:55:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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