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Title: The Pentagon Testified Assessing the Ukraine and No One Noticed
Source: [None]
URL Source: https://theconservativetreehouse.co ... ng-ukraine-and-no-one-noticed/
Published: May 14, 2022
Author: Sundance
Post Date: 2022-05-23 22:06:31 by 3-Dee
Keywords: None
Views: 835
Comments: 39

As we contemplate the massive $40 billion transfer of U.S. taxpayer funds to Ukraine, a few things need to be emphasized.

First, congress has decided to pay the salaries, benefits and pensions of Ukraine political officials and citizens. As U.S. citizens try and figure out how to afford housing, gasoline, food and basic goods, congress has decided to subsidize another country. That’s the first point.

Second, as to the pragmatic question of “to what end?” There was a critical point made last week by Defense Intel Agency (DIA) Director Lt. Gen. Scott Berrier, that not a single media outlet or politician discussed. During his briefing to the Senate Armed Services Committee, Berrier was asked “can Ukraine win” the conflict against Russia?

Lt. General Berrier replied: “That is a difficult predication to make. I think where the assessment is at, is a prolonged stalemate should no factor change on either side. In other words, the Russians continue to do what they’re doing, and we continue to do what we are doing for the Ukranians.” WATCH:

The Pentagon assessment is the best that can be achieved is a stalemate. Billions of billions of dollars being poured into Ukraine, and the most likely outcome is a stalemate. More people killed, an endless need for continued money to be poured into the ‘war’, and the best possible outcome is a stalemate.

So, riddle me this, why isn’t the U.S. policy position advocating for Zelenskyy and Putin to enter negotiations for a resolution?

What possible U.S. interest can be advanced, knowing the only outcome is a stalemate, where people are killed on either side and money spent on a proxy conflict that ends in loggerheads at some distant point months from now?

Also, why has no U.S. media outlet or pundit played the remarks and assessment from the Defense Intelligence Agency, so that the American people can understand the intent of U.S. policy?

Posted in Big Government, Big Stupid Government, Cold Anger, Decepticons, Deep State, Dem Hypocrisy, Economy, Election 2022, Joe Biden, Legislation, media bias, Military, NATO, Notorious Liars, Russia, Typical Prog Behavior, Ukraine, Uncategorized, US Treasury, USA

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#1. To: 3-Dee (#0)

Simple. People are dying on both sides, yes.

The Ukrainians dying are brave, etc., etc. But they are not NATO allies. They HAVE TO fight for their independence. The alternative is to be swept into Russia and crushed. So, they will fight as long as we arm them, for years and years, like the mujahadeen.

On the other side is the enemy, Russia. Russia doesn't HAVE TO be the enemy, but they CHOOSE to be by being atavistic, aggressive fucks. However, as long as the West pours in weaponry, the Russians can't win, and keep getting chewed up. The Russians ae dying at three times the Ukrainian rate. And their heavy equipment is being destroyed.

So, it is a stalemate, yes. But a lengthy stalemate is very good for the United States. Russia had an economy the size of Italy's, but with sanctions and contractions, now it's the size of the Netherlands, and falling further and further. They HAVE TO devote it to the war, because they are ruled by a dictator and don't have the courage to throw him off. So they HAVE TO destroy themselves more and more and more every day. They cannot escape the suicide trap into which they have stuck their own heads. They are too proud and stubborn to admit defeat, so they have to die, and as they die, they deplete their armaments, deplate their army, and wreck their economy.

The longer the war goes on, the more of a shipwreck Russia becomes. Let it go on for a full year, and they will have nothing left, and never be able to get back up again. Russia has been our enemy since 1917, and we have them in a place now where we can cause themselves to snuff themselves out of existence by their own bloated stupidity. We would be mad not to exploit it.

The other thing is China. Big, bad, powerful China. We don't want to fight China in Taiwan, and China looks at Russia and they see themselves imploding too. They already have a first rate economic fire raging, getting into a naval and air war with the West over Taiwan that they can't win, and having trade cut off. The more Russia is destroyed, the less likely China will EVER move on Taiwan, or Japan, or the Philippines, or South Korea.

So, by grinding the Russians into the dirt, we also contain China.

It costs us no blood at all. Just a little money. $40 billion in a $6 trillion budget is two thirds of 1% - a pittance. Especially when compared wirth the US military budget, which is $750 billion.

Wear out Russia the most effective way: by directly destroying their army and troops, and contain China completely, for $40 billion, with no US losses? It's a no-brainer, ESPECIALLY since the whole alliance is together to do it for the first time, well, EVER.

The folks without brains are the ones whining about it. Are you really that blind and dumb? Really? It's incomprehensibly stupid not to see why this is necessary.

In fact, it's SO stupid that to advocate it, people think that you MUST be a Russian sympathizer.

So, which is it? Are you a Russian shill, or just an idiot?

Vicomte13  posted on  2022-05-24   8:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

Thanks Vic for posting.

While I agree with some objections to our aid to Ukraine while not protecting our southern border, and I also object to so many of our political elite having financial involvement there. And fulling realizing Ukraine is a very corrupt nation, and a corrupt history. Yeah, what nation does not ? I also truly believe that much, maybe most of our foreign aid is a money laundering scam, which ends up in the pockets of our politicos that pushed & voted for it.

That said, I am not a Russian shill ! I do think the biggest threat to the US is China. But I do not think Russia is benign. Therefore I agree with your short and explicit essay. I do not want to see any more American blood expended in foreign lands unnecessarily !

Thank you !

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

People that say money can't buy you happiness, have never paid an adoption fee

Stoner  posted on  2022-05-24   9:08:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

In fact, it's SO stupid that to advocate it, people think that you MUST be a Russian sympathizer.

Unlike you, perhaps, I do not care what people think. You resort to name calling. You are a bully. Not everyone in this country supports Zelensky. Get over it.

3-Dee  posted on  2022-05-24   9:53:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

The Ukrainians dying are brave

Ukrainian MP Says They’re Fighting for the ‘New World Order

’Ms. Rudik appears to be a globalist and has served as the First Deputy Head of the Digital Transformation Committee. The digital crew wants all of the world to fuse the physical, digital, and biological world with intermediaries who do such things as determine each person’s creditworthiness.

Putin is against the NWO. He is standing in the way and one of the reasons Pelosi and other NWO people are trying to destroy him. Do you not know what the NWO is about?

3-Dee  posted on  2022-05-24   12:05:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Stoner (#2)

Therefore I agree with your short and explicit essay.

I don't. He's wrong on several issues. But he has a right to his opinion.

3-Dee  posted on  2022-05-24   12:24:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Stoner (#2)

Which countries can side with Russia in the war against Ukraine? Russia will get the strongest support from China which had already announced that NATO is doing arbitrariness in Ukraine. Ever since Western countries have turned their stance against China, Russia has supported its Asian neighbour.

READ | Russia vows strong response to US sanctions, avers 'intimidation & threats do not work' Cuba, a close ally of Russia, has sharply criticized the US for imposing the progressive expansion of NATO towards the Russian borders and called for a diplomatic solution to preserve international peace.

Pakistan gets a special mention as its Prime Minister Imran Khan could think of no other time to visit Moscow but now when Russia is in the middle of a war against Ukraine.

Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Belarus once a part of the Soviet Union are expected to support Russia due to the Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO) agreement signed between the six countries. This means that in case of an attack on Russia, these countries will consider it an attack on themselves.

3-Dee  posted on  2022-05-24   12:34:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: 3-Dee (#4)

" Ukrainian MP Says They’re Fighting for the ‘New World Order "

" Putin is against the NWO."

If what you are saying is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, I will have to rethink my position.

That said, I still am against putting US troops into combat overseas, until it truly is our fight. Which this one is not!

Our country has expended far, far too much US blood & treasure in foreign wars !!!!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

People that say money can't buy you happiness, have never paid an adoption fee

Stoner  posted on  2022-05-24   17:53:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Stoner, 3-Dee, watchman, Mudboy Slim, A K A Stone, jeremiad, Vicomte13 (#7)

If what you are saying is true, and I have no reason to doubt you, I will have to rethink my position.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2022-05-24   22:45:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Stoner (#2) (Edited)

OH, we shuld DEFINITELY protect our southern border! But it's not linked to destroying Russia in the Ukraine, and can't be. Destroying Russia is a separate good.

The problem with the southern border is purely US domestic politics, namely, the Democrats thought that replacing the existing US population with Mexicans would give them power forever.

Trouble for them is - and I will put this in crude racial terms - Hispanics ain't blacks. They're Italians, or Portuguese, or Spaniards, in terms of how they behave. They come from Western countries themselves, poor, but capitalist, Christian, and have had their own socialist disasters in their history. They're not stupid, and they're not coming from places where they are oppressed minorities.

So, they're coming here for job, to have money, to raise their families, and are not complicated with all of the weird emotionalism of American blacks. Result: yeah, when they're poor they need welfare, and they support Democrats for that. BUT - and it's a HUGE BUT - once Hispanics are here, they work like crazy people, and as a result, they don't STAY poor and "black". The move into the working class, and the lower middle class, etc., quickly, like the Italians, or the Irish, or ever other Catholic people that came over. And because they never were black in the first place, they vote their ecomomic interests, not their weird racial trauma. Result: more and more and more Hispanics vote Republican, the deeper set they get in America...because they're Irish and Italian and Portuguese and Spanish, NOT black.

Hell, even blacks aren't black. Blacks from Africa and from the Caribbean are like Hispanics. Poor, yes, but very conservative, and family- clannish. They come and need welfare and are left wing, to start, but they move up quickly, and start voting their economic interest. There is no group that despises African Americans as much as Africans and Caribbean blacks, because Africans and Caribbean blacks are white, actually. They come from places where they are the majority, and are not twisted and traumatized by weird self-defeating ideas.

Yeah, I'm using "black" here in the most offensive way possible - to American Leftists. Because I don't give a shit what they think. Truth is, people are people. Hispanics have brown skin, and Africans and Caribbeans have black skin. And my skin is so pink it's painful in the sun. And all three of us think the same way: family, work, jobs - no times for all of the emotional bullshit over skin color. WHO CARES?

AMerican blacks care, and the Democrats who pander to them really thought that by opening the floodgates to the Caribbean and to Latin America, that America would be flooded by more blacks and they would vote Democratic forever.

Nope. Didn't happen.

We STILL have to control the Mexican border, but it's not for the reason s the Democrats whine about leaving it open. It's not about "replacement", because replacement isn't really happening. It's about stopping CRIME, and stopping freeloading, and stopping the craziness.

Nothing wrong with immigration, but we need to control it and channel it, and not be overwhelmed by too many poor people all at once. We need to bring the poor southerners in in numbers that let them rapidly rise - they rise anyway, but at the cost of losing control of the bottom of the labor force and yes, unemploying a lot of blacks in the process, and poor whites.

You control immigration so that the American poor can have jobs. Otherwise they will be driven out of jobs by harder working and smarter Mexicans on their way up. That's really the truth.

At the bottom of the pyramid will always be the ne'er do well Democrats. There will always be the dumb, lazy and feckless. And they need jobs, not welfare, so you have to keep the foreign numbers down EVEN THOUGH those foreigners will end up mostly making better citizens than the dirt bag Democrats at the bottom of American society, and EVEN THOUGH a large number of those Hispanics will crawl right out poverty and eventually become Republicans.

The Democrats, as usual, are wrong about everything. The reason to control the southern border is compassion for OUR OWN poor people. But the Democrats have been powerful enough to keep it open.

The crowning irony is that while they HAVE imported a lot of Latinos, the Latinos are just white, and end up voting Republican more and more and more, because the Democrats are bat shit crazy and pander to American blacks, and nobody needs that shit.

That's the truth. And it's funny. Maybe if the Republcans take the government the border will be controlled. Maybe.

But whether it is or not, crushing Russia in the Ukraine and containing China are both still great ideas. The border and Ukraine are not linked.

Vicomte13  posted on  2022-05-25   9:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: 3-Dee (#3)

You're a Russian shill. Shill away, it's a free country. Don't expect to find any support, though. What you are saying is obviously garbage.

The US isn't bullying Russia. The Russians invaded Ukraine and are getting their dicks cut off for it. All they need to do is get out of Ukraine. We're not invading Russia. We're never going to invade Russia.

The Russians are out of line. We're just defending Ukraine. Effectively. ANd the Russians, who don't belong there, are dying in droves. And will continue to die in droves until they leave.

Real simple. No amount of arm waving on your part will change any of it.

I'm not a bully. We're not bullies. I don't give a damn what the Russians do in Russia. But cross a border and try to murder another country. We're bigger and stronger and will win.

Vicomte13  posted on  2022-05-25   9:25:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Stoner (#7)

We never need to send US troops to the UKraine. There are 44 million Ukrainians eager to defend their own country. All the West needs to do is arm them and they will kill the Russians to defend their country.

That's what is happening, that's what will still happen. When it's all over, Ukraine will still be free.

Will we, then, admit them to NATO? Who knows? At that point we can assess the corruption, and the terms of the peace treaty with Russia.

But Russia started this, with an overt invasion. In doing so, they put their own neck in a noose. We only need to expend relatively small amouts of money ($40 billion in a $6 trillion government budget is a pittance) and send the Ukrainians arms. THEY will do ALL the fighting.

Now, if Russia expands the war and invades NATO, of course we have to fight. Or if they launch nuclear weapons at us. We have to fight if they attack us. But we're not attacking them. The Ukrainians are defending themselves. We're just providing the guns.

It's a good set up.

Vicomte13  posted on  2022-05-25   9:36:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13 (#10)

If 3-Dee is a Russian shill what does that make you...a Khazarian shill?

Anyway, I found a video that shows how truly barbaric those Russians are. Be sure to watch it...they use a Blondie theme song...I know you like her

watchman  posted on  2022-05-25   11:39:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Vicomte13 (#10) (Edited)

"The US isn't bullying Russia."

Exactly...Putin is in favor of a New World Order that includes the reconstruction of the Soviet Empire. DemRATZ/RINOZ in the DeeCeeSwamp are in favor of a New World Order wherein Soulless Marxist DemocRATZ can control the Lives, Liberties, and the Pursuits of Happiness of a helpless, disarmed WeThePeople. The Butcherz in Beijing got nothing on the bloodthirsty baby-killers who are fighting to control Everyonez health care, housing, transportation options, educations, and every other Unconstitutional thing DemRATZ can come up with.

Time for WeThePeople to Take Back OUR Country from the undeniably EVIL, LeftWing, Marxist DeeCeeRATZ. And I pray for Justice for the HildaBeest, Slick Willie, TraitorJoe, TerrieMacAwful, Comey, Clapper, Pelosi, etc., etc., etc...

Drain the DeeCeeSwamp by DEfunding the Federal Leviathan and Devolving Power to the States, Localities, and Individuals, as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution. We're gonna make the scumbags who still claim to be DemocRATZ about as popular as syphilis.

Quite SincereLEE...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-05-25   15:20:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

The Soviet Union collapsed because they went tits up economically. WE are there now, and teetering. We are literally spending ourselves into oblivion. When this is over, China will stand alone as a world power.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2022-05-25   16:40:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

The mass illegal immigration is DISPLACING real people. Housing prices are through the roof, too much competition for housing...food....fuel....welfare....schools....roads....SS.... and jobs.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2022-05-25   16:43:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Vicomte13 (#10)

If Russia were making "defense" agreements with Canada, Mexico, Panama, Nicaragua, Haiti, Puerto Rico, Cuba et al. Would America be correct in invading? I think so, and would be treasonous to neglect doing do. You protect your borders, but somehow we don't want borders anymore. If Finland and Sweden join NATO, we will have a real hot WW 3. Not only that, but it will be the our DC tyrants fault, and that can easily be proven true.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2022-05-25   16:48:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Mudboy Slim (#13)

The time to DEVOLVE is over. I would support a 1776 type of "devolution". HEY, I should trademark that. "We need an American Devolution". Mudboy you are correct.

THIS IS A TAG LINE...Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it.

jeremiad  posted on  2022-05-25   16:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: jeremiad (#17) (Edited)

The Founding Fathers had it correct when they enacted the Bill of Rights, especially the Ninth and Tenth amendments, which makes the Lion's Share of present Federal spending patently UN-Constitutional. And despite the RINO Chief Justice, we still have 5 out of 9 Justices on the SCOTUS who are allegedly Constitutionalists. If true, Roe v. Wade ain't the last UN-Constitutional ruling to be overturned...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-05-25   21:09:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: watchman, Vicomte13, goldilucky, A K A Stone, jeremiad, Mudboy Slim, 3-Dee, WWG1WWA, tankumo (#18)

Off topic but does anyone here know the title of the fictional story about a grandfather who buries his guns to hide them from the gov't and before he dies, he takes his grandson to the place where they are buried, telling him why he buried them, but then the kid calls the Feds and turns gramps in? I've seen it posted at FR and maybe at the old LibertyPost but can't remember the title. Something "Rock" I think.

Wanted to share it with my adult son.

Thanks

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2022-05-25   21:52:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Vicomte13, 3-Dee (#10) (Edited)

You're a Russian shill. Shill away

Good grief...you sound just like the leftist loons bashing Tucker Carlson, calling him a Putin mouthpiece on a daily basis. By all means, please continue with your unhinged rants calling anyone who disagrees with you a Putin shill or Russian Troll or whatever the official moonbat talking point de jour is. It just further displays just exactly what you are.

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2022-05-25   23:34:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Deckard (#20)

Vic seems to want others to die for his cause.

A K A Stone  posted on  2022-05-26   7:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Deckard (#19)

Sounds similar to TRUE Stories I have heard about Nazi brainwashing and/or Mao-era GroupThink and/or Stalinist zealotry. The DemocRATic Party is obviously using these Totalitarian hellholes as their ultimate goal for the USA.

I don't believe WeThePeople are prepared to put up with much more of what Dem DeeCeeRATZ are selling...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-05-26   8:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Deckard (#19)

Wanted to share it with my adult son.

The moral of the story is: never bury your guns and teach your grandkids how to shoot them (and never snitch on grandpa).

watchman  posted on  2022-05-26   9:41:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: jeremiad (#16)

Well, Finland and Sweden WILL BE joining NATO, so your fears of World War III will be tested within the next few months.

The difference between a defensive alliance and what Russia is doing is that Russia is attacking and murdering tens of thousands of Ukrainians. The Ukrainians are stopping them, and the West is giving them the weapons to do it, which makes complete sense.

By your analysis, the world ends soon. By mine, Russia loses, gets their asses handed to them, Ukraine stays free, the Chinese are intimidated and do not dare move on Taiwan, and the US enjoys a period of extended peace and prosperity.

Neither one of us is King, so we'll just have to see how things develop. I think I'm going to be pleased and you're not, though I would hope that when I prove to be right, and we're enjoying the peace and prosperity, that you will also be glad for it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2022-05-27   9:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Deckard (#20)

Exactly what I am is a clear-eyed, level-headed patriot, who understand what's what in the real world.

If you're whining about the dignity of Russia, who started this war, and who is rapidly losing it, I have no sympathy for you at all.

Vicomte13  posted on  2022-05-27   9:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Deckard (#19)

Deck, I remember the story. You are correct, it is Something Rock.

Chilling story, with a sad, and realistic ending !!!

I may still have it saved somewhere. If I can find it, or remember the name, will let you know !

Regards

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

People that say money can't buy you happiness, have never paid an adoption fee

Stoner  posted on  2022-05-28   9:22:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Deckard (#19)

FOUND IT !

Sundown at Coffin Rock

here is a link:

https://www.hagmannreport.com/sundown-at-coffin-rock/

I hope your son takes to heart the meaning, and lesson's of the story.

I think I will print copies, for my children, and for others !!

Regards

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

People that say money can't buy you happiness, have never paid an adoption fee

Stoner  posted on  2022-05-28   9:38:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Stoner (#27)

Great job. Thanks for finding it. I had never read that story.

watchman  posted on  2022-05-28   18:09:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Stoner, 3-Dee, watchman, Mudboy Slim, A K A Stone, jeremiad, Vicomte13 (#27)

Thanks for your effort finding it.

Just found this at YouTube:

Government is in the last resort the employment of armed men, of policemen, gendarmes, soldiers, prison guards, and hangmen.
The essential feature of government is the enforcement of its decrees by beating, killing, and imprisoning.
Those who are asking for more government interference are asking ultimately for more compulsion and less freedom.

Deckard  posted on  2022-05-29   6:43:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Deckard (#29)

Deck, thanks for posting the video. Ends as sadly as the story !

So far, I can not find it, but I seem to remember reading a Part 2 to the story. Seems like it is after Thomas grows up. Maybe I imagined it, IDK, but I sure seem to remember it.

Sadly, I think the story/video is a probable prediction of our future !

I may take up archery. Sadly, I am terrible with a bow. I could not hit the broadside of a barn.

Regards

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

People that say money can't buy you happiness, have never paid an adoption fee

Stoner  posted on  2022-05-29   7:53:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Stoner (#30)

Sadly, I think the story/video is a probable prediction of our future !

Unless someone steps in to halt our current downward trend, all government agents bent on gun confiscation will be too hungry to show up at your door...unless they come looking for your food, which in any case would require some gas for their cars. Unless we reverse course, the food and fuel supply lines will collapse.

Then, it's full-blown chaos...

watchman  posted on  2022-05-29   9:29:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: watchman, Deckard (#28) (Edited)

I found another "chapter " of Coffin Rock, here it is

Link: http://usavsus.info/SunriseAtCoffinRock.htm

In case there is a problem with the link, here is the continued story:

Would love to see subsequent chapters

Sunrise at Coffin Rock

Thomas sat alone upon the cold stone, shivering slightly in the chilly pre-dawn air of this April morning. The flashlight was turned off, resting beside him on the bare granite of Coffin Rock, and involuntarily he strained his eyes in the gray non-light of the false dawn, trying to make out the shapes of the trees, and the mountains across the river. Below, he could hear the chuckling of the water as it crossed the polished stones. How many times had he fished there, his grandfather beside him.

He tried to shrug away the memories, but why else had he come here except to remember. Perhaps to escape the inevitable confrontation with his mother. She would have to be told sooner or later, but Thomas infinitely preferred later.

How could he explain that? The endless arguments. The whispered warnings. The subtle threats. Dennis had told him to expect this. Dennis had lost his parents back in the First Purge back in 2004, and his bitter hatred of the State's iron rule had failed to ruin him only because of his unique and accomplished abilities as an actor. Only with Thomas did he open up. Only with Thomas did he relate the things he had earned while in the Youth Reeducation Camp near Charleston. Thomas shuddered.

It was his own fault, he knew. He should have kept his mouth shut like Dennis told him. All of his friends had come and shook his hand and pounded him on the back. "That's telling them, Adams!" they said. But their voices were hushed and they glanced over their shoulders as they congratulated him. And later, when the "volunteers" of the Green Ribbon Squad kicked his _ _ all over the shower room, they had stood by in nervous silence, their faces turned away, their eyes averted, and their tremulous voices silent.

He sighed. Could he blame them. He'd been afraid too, when the squad walked up and surrounded him, and if he could have taken back those proud words he would have. Anyone is afraid when they can't fight back, he'd discovered. So they taught him a lesson, and he had expected it to end there. But then yesterday had come the call to Dr. Morton's office, and the brief hearing that had ended his career at the university. "Thomas," Morton had intoned, "You owe everything to the State."

Thomas snorted.

The light was growing now. He could see the pale, rain-washed granite in the grayness as if it glowed. Coffin Rock was now a knob, a raised promontory that jutted up from a wide, unbroken arm of the mountain's stony roots, its cover of soil pushed away. There were deep gouges scraped across the surface of the rock where the backhoe had tried, vainly, to force the mountain to reveal its secrets. He was too old to cry now, but Thomas Adams closed his eyes tightly as he relived those moments that had forever changed his life.

The shouts and angry accusations as the agents found no secret arms cache still seemed to ring in his ears. They had threatened him with arrest, and once he had thought the government agent named Goodwin wouId actually strike him. At last, though, they had accepted defeat and turned down the mountain, following the gashed trail of the back-hoe as it rumbled ahead through the woods.

At home, he had found his mother and father standing, ashen faced, in the doorway.

"They took your grandpa," his father said in disbelief. "Just after you left, they put him in a van and took him. "

"But they said they wouldn't!" Thomas had shouted. He ran across the yard to the old man's cottage. The door was standing open and he wandered from room to room calling for the grandfather he would never see alive again.

It was his heart, they said. Two days after they had taken him, someone called and tersely announced that the old man had died at the indigent clinic a few hours after his arrest "Sorry," the faceless voice had muttered. Thomas had wept at the funeral, but it was only in later years that he had come to understand the greatest tragedy of that day-that the old man had died alone, knowing that his own grandson had betrayed him.

That grandson was Thomas Adams, and he was now too old to cry but in the growing light of the cold mountain dawn, he did anyway. Thomas was certain that his father's de-certification six months later was due to the debacle in the forest. As much as anyone did these days, they had "owned" their home, but the Certification Board would still have evicted them except for the intervention of Cousin Lou, who worked for the State Supervisor. As it was, they lost all privileges and, when his father came down with pneumonia the next autumn, medical treatment was denied. He had died three days after the first anniversary of Grandpa's death.

Thomas had been sure that he would be turned down at the University, but once again his cousin had intervened and a slot had "opened" for him. But now that's finished he reflected He would be unable to obtain any certification other than manual laborer. "Why didn't I keep my mouth shut" he asked the morning stillness. In a tree behind him, a mockingbird began to sing its ageless song, and as if in answer, the forest below began to twitter and chirp with the voices of other birds, greeting the new day.

No, what he had said had been the truth and nothing could change that. The State was wrong. It was evil. It was unnatural for men to be slaves of their government, always skulking, always holding their tongues lest they anger The State. But there is no "State," Thomas considered. There are only evil men, holding power over other men. And anyone who speaks out, who dares to challenge that power, is crushed.

If only there was a way to fight back!

Thomas shifted on the stone, hanging his feet off the downhill side. His feet had almost touched the grass that day, but now, although his legs were certainly longer, it was at least ten inches to the scarred rock surface below. As he kicked his heels back and forth, he could almost hear his grandfather speaking to him from long ago...

"One day, America will come to her senses. Our men will need those guns and they'll be ready. We cleaned them and sealed them up good' they'll last for years. Maybe it won't be in your lifetime, Thomas. Maybe one day you'll be sitting here with your son or grandson. Tell him about me, boy. Tell him about the way I said America used to be. "You see the way this stone points." the old man was saying. "You follow that line one hundred feet..." Thomas' heels were suddenly still. For many minutes he did not move, playing those words over and over in his mind. "...Follow that line..."

What hidden place in his brain had concealed those words all of these years. How could the threats have failed to dislodge it. He stood upon shaky legs and climbed down from Coffin Rock. In his mind's eye, he could see the old man pointing and he walked down the hill and through a clinging briar patch, counting off the paces. The round stone did seem solidly buried, but he scratched around near the base and found that the rock ended just an inch or so beneath the surface. "One man with a good bar can lift it," Grandfather had said. Thomas forced his fingers beneath the stone and, with all the strength in his 21-year-old body, he lifted. The stone came up, and he slid it off to one side. Cool air drifted up from the dark opening in the mountain. Thomas looked to the right where the scars of the State's frustration ended, only 15 or 20 feet away. They had been that close.

He squatted and stared into the darkness and then remembered his flashlight. In a moment, he was back with it, probing into the darkness with the yellow beam. There was a small patch of moisture just inside, but then the tunnel climbed upwards toward the ridge. On hands and knees, he entered.

It was uncomfortably close for the first 20 feet or so, then the cavern opened up around him. The men who had built this place, he saw, had taken a natural crevice in the granite rock, sealed it with masses of poured concrete, and then covered it with earth. The main chamber was bigger than the living room of a house, and they had left an opening up near the peak of the vaulted roof where fresh air and a faint, filtered light entered.

Wooden boxes and crates were stacked everywhere on concrete blocks, up off of the floor, stenciled with legends like, RIFLE, CAL. 30 M1, 9MM PARA, M193 BALL, 7.62 x 39MM, and 5.56MM. He pushed between them and crawled to the wall where he found cardboard boxes wrapped with plastic sheeting. They were imprinted with strange names like CCI, OLIN, WW748, BULLSEYE, and RL 550B. He did not know what the crates and boxes contained, and was afraid to break the seals, but near the center of the room he found a plastic-wrapped carton labeled, OPEN THIS FIRST. With his penknife, he slit the heavy plastic wrapping.

It contained books, he saw with some disappointment. But he studied the titles and found that they were manuals on weapons and how to repair them, how to clean them, how to fire them, and ammunition...how to store it, and how to reload it. And here was something unusual - "A History of the United States". He lifted it from the carton and crawled back to the open air. Leaning against a stone, he tore open the heavy vinyl bag that enclosed the book and began to read at random, flipping the pages every few moments. On each page, something new met his eye, contradicting everything he had ever been taught.

Freedom is not won, he learned, by proud words and declarations.

He remembered a quotation taught at the University' "Blood alone moves the wheels of history." An Italian dictator named Mussolini had said that, but now he read of a man named Patrick C Henry who said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Mao was required reading at the University, too, and he now recalled that this man called a "hero" by The State - had once said, "Political power comes out of the barrel of a gun."

Freedom is never granted, it is won. Won by men who are willing to die, willing to lose everything so that others may have the greatest possession of all: liberty.

Mentally, he began to list those he could trust. Men who had been arrested for speaking out. Women whose husbands had been arrested and never returned. Friends who had been denied certification because of their fathers' military records. The countryside seethed with anger and frustration. These were people who longed to be free, but who had no means to resist... until now.

Thomas laid the book aside and then worked the stone back into position, carefully placing leaves and moss around the base to hide any evidence that it had been disturbed. He tucked the book under his arm and started for home with the rays of the rising sun warming his back. He imagined his grandfather's touch in the heat. A forgiving touch.

A long, hard struggle was coming, and he knew with a certainty that defied explanation that he would not live to see the day America would once again be free. His blood and that of many patriots and tyrants would be spilled, but perhaps America's tree of Liberty would live and flourish again.

There is a long line stretching through the history of this world a line of those who valued freedom more than their lives. Thomas Adams now took his place at the end of that column as he determined that he would have liberty, or death. He would be in good company.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

People that say money can't buy you happiness, have never paid an adoption fee

Stoner  posted on  2022-05-29   12:00:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: 3-Dee, Deckard, watchman (#0)

Here is a link for other interesting reading. Hope you all enjoy !

https://www.lawfulpath.com/index.php?p=Reading-Room&i=0

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

People that say money can't buy you happiness, have never paid an adoption fee

Stoner  posted on  2022-05-29   12:21:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Stoner (#32) (Edited)

Patrick Henry is my boy, but I couldda sworn that "Tree of Liberty...blood of Patriots and Tyrants" comment has been attributed to VA Governor Henry's successor in the Governor's mansion, one Thomas Jefferson. Can we get a ruling?

Regards...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-05-29   15:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: All (#34)

Wikipedia agrees that it was TJ, not that I trust Wikipedia...lol.

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-05-29   15:26:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Mudboy Slim (#34)

I cannot say with any certainty, or authority. I have heard it debated among professors, both ways. So I do not know.

Either one sounds plausible to me. I have no idea from whom one could get the most legitimate opinion.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

People that say money can't buy you happiness, have never paid an adoption fee

Stoner  posted on  2022-05-29   21:45:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Stoner (#36) (Edited)

In any event, Patrick Henry and Thomas Jefferson are two of my favorite Founding Fathers, both having a certain way with words. Eventually both married into wealth and thus became Slaveholders and, thereby, Racist Old White Dudes...checkmate!!

That is literally how Richmond's racist MORON Mayor thinks and acts. Pathetic RAT-bitches tore down a statue of Christopher Columbus and the Mayor told the Richmond cops to Stand down, let Antifa and BLM, Inc. burn down Richmond's inner city businesses and let these RATthugz throw human feces and bricks and maltov cocktails at our Police Officers...let the Capital of the Confederacy BUUURN and melt down all those Confederate statues on Monument Avenue while you are at it.

Mayor Lavar StoneR flipped me off to my face the last time he saw me. The feeling is mutual...and from what I hear...

"Richmond Mayor StoneR SUX T-MAXX Caulk!!"

And EWE herd it HEAR 1$+...muD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-05-30   7:35:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Mudboy Slim (#37)

" Mayor Lavar StoneR "

Correction, his name is StoneY. Please DO NOT associate that TurdBall with me, or my screen name namesake !!

The people of Richmond elected him ???

The people of Richmond need to adopt the principles & backbone of their ancestors, and solve their problem, or suffer the consequences !

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

People that say money can't buy you happiness, have never paid an adoption fee

Stoner  posted on  2022-05-30   8:57:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Stoner (#38) (Edited)

The Sheeple of Richmond RE-Elected Lavar Stoney...but I call him Mayor Stoner as his reign has corresponded with Virginia's and recent decriminalization of smoking cannibus. I will attempt to be more careful with my posts in your presence, Mr. StoneR...lol.

Regards...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-05-30   14:50:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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