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Published: Jan 29, 2022
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1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13And the evening and the morning were the third day. 14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
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#1. To: mudboy slim, vicomte13, stoner, watchman (#0)
mudboy slim replies...Genesis? Chapter 1? Wasn't that their first album? vicomte13 replies...Genesis is not in MY Bible. stoner replies...Why didn't God mention that He created dogs? watchman replies...:-)
As a committed DEIST steadily making the transition over to full-blown Christian, I was wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of biblical evidence that God is, in actuality, a dude? Not saying God/Allah/Iluvatar is female, either, but more of Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost...and I will say right now that I do NOT KNOW the answer, but would appreciate reading the opinions of others...MUD
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BTTT...does the all-Powerful Diety necessarily have a Johnson? BTW...not trying to be sacreligious, just think God Almighty may be ABOVE and Beyond the whole Male/Female dichotomy. "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
God (the Father) refers to Himself in the masculine... Jesus, (God the son), was born a male. And God the Holy Spirit, is referred to as "He"
I realize you didn't address your question to me but allow me to reply. Jesus, who is fully God and fully man, was circumcised. So yeah...
You're making it too complicated. Simply this: do you want to be with God (Who created all this sweet stuff including the Universe)...or don't cha? Which one will you choose? To be with God...or to be apart from God?
Thank you...I am not arguy with you here, and I reckon a deeper reading into the Good Book.would result in God our Father voicing a paternalistic tone with Adam, Eve, and others. However, the skeptic within me is NOT doubting the Word of God when I question the inherent biases of those who were charged with gathering these stories, and those who chose to write down these stories, and even those who claim to know the exact translations of these ancient words. All those folks are dudes, which might explain why men are always the top dogs in any of these monotheistic religions...MUD "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
While I understand blind faith, I prefer informed consent...MUD
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Never questioned whether Jesus was/is a gentleman....I have wondered how he made it to the ripe old age of 33 without taking on a wife and fathering offspring, who would naturally have needed tho go into hiding before J.C. fulfilled his destiny. It does my heart good to think that, just maybe, there are descendents of Christ walking the Earth today, although I have no idea how we could ever know one way or another...MUD
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He stayed focused on His mission. Jesus came into the world to save sinners...
Definition: adequate information to allow for an informed decision about participation in the clinical investigation. God created all those wonderful curves you and I like so much...still need more information?
Like I said, I make no claims to argue with that very plausible explanation...still, there were quite large blocs of Jesus life that don't show up in the Scriptures.
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You're just making excuses for denying Him your company.
Re: the curves....yeah, glad the good Lord made me a guy becuz otherwise I woulda been a sure-fire lesbian...MUD
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I am NOT denying His Holiness one iota...just asking valid questions....
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Are you merely using "valid questions" to stall your transition to full blown Christian?
See? Right there...if you go back to the original transcription and translation, does the word "Chief" automatically translate a MALE. I have read of Native-American tribes wherein "chieftain" Power is conferred upon the wisest old woman, so Chiefs being male is not universal.
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Full-blown Christianity is enriched by further study, and diminished by blind faith, imho. Interesting debate, though...hope to get to read the thoughts of others...MUD "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Genesis is in the Bible just fine. It's just not literally true.
In English. The holy spirit is a He in English. In Hebrew, she is a she, always. In Greek, the Holy Spirit is always an "It".
No. Genesis says that God is both male AND female. "In God's image he made them, male and female he made them..." English requires a "he" there, but "he" made them male and female, in his image. The word "Elohiym" in Hebrew - "God(s)" - is a PLURAL noun. The word "Ruach" - wind or spirit in Hebrew - is a feminine noun. I point this out precisely BECAUSE people try to make a point about God using English. But the Old Testament of the Bible is written in Hebrew, the later portions in Greek. And the New Testament is written in Greek. "God" in Hebrew is not a "He". It's a "them".
Thank you, my friend...I was hoping you would weigh in. Your explanation buttresses what I was trying to get across. An All-Powerful Deity is far more powerful than our feeble minds could ever appreciate, and to assume God is limited to one sex or the other is small- minded on our parts...MUD
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And God speaks whatever language is required to get his point across...sheeesh!!
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God is Spirit. To be made in God's image is to be made a spiritual being. Adam and Eve were made in God's spiritual likeness. Elohiym is simply the word for "God" or "god" (as when referring to pagan gods). Elohiym is plural but has to be in grammatical agreement with the verb...ie. is the verb singular. Pointing to the Triune nature of God...One God, Three Persons...easy enough to understand. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as "He". We are to approach God in the masculine. As to the use of feminine nouns, God is not opposed to refer to Himself using feminine qualities. There is infinite tenderness there. What a Great God we have, Vic.
All of Genesis? Just certain parts? Can you give an example?
So says the dude who first heard it, the dude who first wrote it down, and the dudes who have translated the Word ever since. Doesn't make it untrue, but the innate gender bias should not be ignored when seeking Absolute Truth....MUD "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
If you were "seeking Absolute Truth" you would have found it by now. Jesus said "ye shall know the truth". Jesus went on to say of Himself, "I am the Truth" What more do you need?
Once again, I am not questioning JC's gender, just wondering why most peoples and religions assume our All-Powerful Diety is a paternal entity. V13 explained it above better than I can, but imho, our God is greater than the whole Male/Female dichotomy...and my reason for bringing up the issue relates to pointing out the inherent biases of those very real human beings who were tasked with hearing, writing down, and then interpretating what we now accept as the Word of God. If all those people who were recording "The Word" were women, I would bet dollars to donutz that God would be seen as a Maternalistic Being. Regards...MUD "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
My best guess would be that God uses gender to establish authority, which in turn establishes order. We see this order through out the Creation. This is exactly the methods Satan uses to disrupt the order of the Universe...by putting the female in charge of the male. As if that is not enough, luciferian groups like the Masons inject chaos (the opposite of order) by flipping the genders entirely. Transgenderism = confusion. From the very beginning Satan worked to disrupt God's order. He creates chaos/confusion and then offers his version of order...which is rebellion toward God.
I don't think posing sincere questions is the work of Satan, my friend...not unlike the RATZ devotion to the altar of EnviroWhackoISM and their politicized "science", if our Faith cannot withstand sincere questioning from newcomers trying to learn more, it wouldn't have lasted 2,000+ years, imho...MUD
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if our Faith cannot withstand sincere questioning from newcomers trying to learn more I wholeheartedly agree.
So God created MAN in his own image, in the image of God created HE HIM; MALE and FEMALE created he them What are the capitalized words in the original language? If you know.
We good then...MUD
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I never knew there was a "we bad"...so yeah, we good.
We were never "bad"...it just felt like you were implying that asking sincere questions about the Holy Bible was just short of heresy, but you cleared that up to my satisfaction, so carry on, mi amigo...MUD
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I have a sincere question for you Mud. Why do we exist?
Why? Maaan...it is too early in the day and I have a lotta crap to get done today, but I will "circle back" and address that question later. I pinged V13 just because...MUD
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Briefly, though...free will and our ability to serve as protagonists in the world around us...the omnipotent Creator didn't make WeThePeople to be couch potatoes and mind- numbed Sheeple watching helplessLEE as the RATZ/RINOZ slowly enact their Marxist MasterPlanz...MUD
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Why do we exist? What is the purpose of Life? In short, I would hope to leave my time on God's Creation with the World around me being a little bit better place than when I arrived. As an Architect, I was taught that the Earth is in a constant state of Entropy, so anything I design and build is a scar upon God's Landscape, so it had best be a conscious design purpose and a positive addition. That philosophy applies to whatever one does for a living...make the lives of others better and you will be rewarded accordingLEE. So, in short, we are here to serve as God's Agents, sent here to make His Creation a Greater America/World...MUD "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Well dang, Mud. Now I'm curious... You describe yourself as an "Architect". What does that mean? Is it a title within your deist religion? Is this a School of Philosophy I should be familiar with? Who "taught" you?
LOL...it mean I graduated from the University of Virginia School of Architecture in 1985, and I finally got in my apprenticeship years in, passed the licensing exam first time in 1992 and have been a Registered.Architect ever since. Nothing more...let's not go reading a bunch of Matrix weirdness into my line of work...lol. I am also a Class A Contractor, which makes me a Builder, and since I put ALL my projects together and also have my own Realtor's license, I qualify as a greedy Real Estate Developer as well. On the plus side, however, I am a Stoner and a Professional Disc Golf player, as well as a Gemini... what's YOUR sign?! "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Entropy?. Nietzsche, amongst others...to be a genuine optimist, you gotta acknowledge and come to grips with the fact that there are constantly struggles to be overcome in life, and our meager efforts to exert our individual wills to create some semblance of Order--and thereby Peace--can, over time and with the assistance of others of like mind will eventually result in positive change, as WE see it...MUD
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If you agree that there is ONE omnipotent Power in all creation, then you too are a DEIST. The Greeks, Egyptians, and Norsemen, OTOH were Pagans aka Heathens aka Infidels...so we must kill them. Not really...but sorta really...gypsies, native Americans, indigenous peoples everywhere... "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Almost all the Founding Fathers were DEISTs... and it is less a Religion than a pattern or way of thinking...
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Didn't realize they taught Entropy at the University of Virginia School of Architecture...so you can imagine my confusion. Life didn't start out this way as you read in Genesis 1. As you continue to read the Book of Genesis you will find out how the struggle entered into our existence: the fall of man which brought the curse on the whole Universe. You must come to grips that your efforts have failed and will continue to fail...apart from God Who is Jesus Christ (the God of the Bible). With the masonic hidden hand (which I only noticed just now)... Tells me absolutely everything I need to know about Nietzsche...just another devil worshipper (he worshipped Lucifer as do all masons/fools).
I am no fan of the UBER-pessimist, Freidrich Nietzche, devil-worshipper or not...lol!! I know what they teach you in Intro to Philosophy 101 at UVA back in the early-80s, and I have not been making Masonic tribute to him ever since...sheeesh!! EWE are obsessed with TheDevil, ain't ya, boy?! "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Says EWE, ya inconsequential MORON...MUD "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
If by Deists, you mean belonging to some dumbass secret society...
No. But he is the ruler of this fallen world. Only a fool would ignore Satan's control of people and governments.
UBER-pessimist, Freidrich Nietzche, Is Nietzsche an optimist or pessimist...make up your mind
I said I.am an Optimist, but Nietzchez World was dark and gloomy. I am no expert, but I assume he was an atheist, which might just explain a lot about his EEyore attitude about life...MUD
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Who doesn't recall this bit of old graffiti?
No, Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as pneuma,which is always neutral. In John 14, he refers to the Paraclete, which is a masculine noun, and he uses the masculine pronoun to refer back to the Paraclete - which would be required in Greek. Jesus never uses a masculine pronoun to refer to the spirit, because spirit is not masculine in Greek. Of course, Jesus spoke Aramaic, and if you refer to the Aramic Peshitta, the ancient Aramaic text of the Gospels (which contains the words of Jesus in the Aramaic in which he spoke them), he always refers to the Holy Spirit using Ruah, which is a feminine noun in Aramaic, and he always uses a feminine pronoun. So actually Jesus always referred to the Holy Spirit as a SHE, if one wants to really burrow down. Jesus spoke Aramaic to his people, not Greek. The Gospels are a translation of what he said. The Aramaic Peshitta is what he actuallly said.
I'm a Taurus...which means that I am fixed earth and stubborn as a...well, as a bull. There is no POINT in arguing with me about anything. I'm always right, or think I am, and I will never, ever change my mind. And I have a Scorpio Moon, full moon, actually, and was born at night. Water, but fixed water. DOUBLY stubborn - there is no more stubborn person than me, really. And smart. But with an apparently evil bent. I don't simply dig in, I start to get really ANGRY when people keep pushing me. And with that Scorpio full there, born at night, I won't just stomp the ground like a bull. I'll do that FIRST. But if you keep pushing me, I will fucking sting you again and again and leave you to DIE. No point in arguing with me. Just look at what I say, see it as very pure, and understand that if you keep arguing with me past a certain point, I really do want to murder you in your sleep. And what good is THAT? Pisces Ascendant. Which means that I'm all spiritual and soft sounding. So, stubborn iron and murder, but with a gentle exterior that is deceptive. And Lilith, the "dark moon", the locus of evil in the chart? It's in Scorpio - a nightmare sign: "Sex and death hold an equal fascination! The transience of life and the constant presence of death in their thoughts make these people keep their senses alert at all times, ready to furiously and disdainfully snatch and raid what they please from life. They don’t believe in luck, and they constantly put it to the test whether through gamble or other vices with life itself as the stake." In truth, I'm a freaking astrological nightmare. Now, I don't believe that the stars determine anything. I think they're placeholders. I DO think that the time of the year you're born and the influence of the moon's gravity (which moves the tides 60 feet every day in the Bay of Fundy) DOES affect us, not mysteriously but concretely. But then, I WOULD say that, wouldn't I, being a Taurus, Scorpio moon, Lilith in Scorpio. Of course I say this knowing that the wankers will whine. There is no innocence here. Whine away, wankers! You make me smile.
My advice to ALL Dem brainwashed Marxist snowflakes...let them bitch!! "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
The autographs were written in Greek. Once again, the gender of a noun does not always reflect the gender of a person.
Notice who had the last word
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers) "No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson " People that say money can't buy you happiness, have never paid an adoption fee
I noticed...and you noticed...but others here...not so much. Perhaps as the days pass and events continue to unfold (distress, tribulation, hunger)...folks will begin to notice Who has the last word in all of our lives.
Great quote...who was the author again? Almost as classic as Virginia's state motto, "Sic Semper Tyrannus...Thus Always to Tyrants". This Nation was founded by REBELS who were rejecting the Great PlutocRATZ Across the Sea, and America has thrived by keeping that Federal Bureaucracy relatively small and not Union-RATZ selling their souls and our National Security to the Chi-Comz. If WeThePeople have the CAJONES to make a stand, then the Trump Tsunami of November 2024 could be the death knell for Marxism in North America, as Trump/DeSantis root out the Marxist AppaRATchix in the DeeCeeSwamp, root and stem. RATZ can see this coming, and many are desperate...by all means necessary, be prepared for just about ANYTHING from these SJWers, RATZ have been brainwashed to believe laws do not apply to them as long as these fascist RAT Brownshirtz continue to do the bidding of their DeeCee SwampMasterz...MUD "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
You are ever so funny, in both an evil and transience of life sort of way, of course. I happened to purchase a bull calf last fall. He's a dandy. He had lived his first two months of life in an 8x8 stall, so you can imagine how happy he was to be turned out on some lush green grass. And he grew accordingly on that grass and leftover milk from my cows. As I was reading your comment, I looked out to see him flying across the paddock...500lb bull meets 1000lb momma cow. He tried to do that "fixed earth" on her and, well... There's a moral to the story for you somewhere in my barnyard yarn, bully boy. I just don't know what it is. As to the rest of your terrible condition... ...I'd say it's nothing more than good ole demonic possession...and Jesus has healed much worse than you, Vic I have preached this great message to hundreds of men at homeless shelters. They come in smelly, depressed, often raging, and hear what Jesus did for one such as them...leaving them clothed, sitting down, and in their right minds. There's hope for you, too. If only you would bow down before Him.
If Jesus shows up and it's really Jesus, sure, I'll bow down. Bow down to some man who claims to know what Jesus was all about? Hard pass. I know Jesus as well as any man alive, having read him over and over, in English, in French, cross referenced in Latin, in Greek, in Aramaic. And I've gone through the drill of doing a complete harmony of everything he ever said or did. So I know not just what he is said to have said, but when, in the scheme of things, he is said to have said it. Some of it is contradictory. And I know what that is. There are lots of guys out there who claim to speak for Jesus, but who don't connect what Jesus said in one place to what he said in another. I used to argue with them. I don't bother anymore.
He has already shown up. When He shows up again it will be too late (for you). Are you talking about the Pope? That's a tremendous amount of reading, cross referencing, and harmonizing just to come up empty. Judging by your intensive study, I see that you do want something. Did not Jesus speak to you directly when He said..."You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me... ...BUT YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO COME TO ME THAT YOU MAY HAVE LIFE".
#DiePutinDie!!
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Yep...dittos. My relationship with Him ain't up for debate with a bunch of faceless Screen Names...MUD "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Judge not lest ye be judged, dude ..you ain't Saint Peter, so quit acting like you possess the Keys to Heaven....MUD
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You said you are a deist. You believe in an impersonal God, so how can you have a relationship with God? Deists by definition do not have a relationship with God.
Show me where I judged. Here is where you've gone tripping off into some whacked out Catholic doctrine whereby you believe that "Saint Peter" will be standing at the "pearly gates" deciding who enters heaven and who is rejected.
I said I WAS a DEIST before becoming a Christian...MUD
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Every time you tell someone they are damned to Hell if they don't OBEY your interpretation of Scripture...makes you look silly. "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Which Scripture are you referring to? And why is my interpretation of that Scripture "silly"?
watchman, for instance. I'm not going to bother arguing with him. What is the point?
I try to read, question, and learn from the articles and resultant discussions around here...some folks just seem to go out of their way to be disagreeable. I agree, life is too short to get involved in such a pointless debate. Regards...MUD "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Exactly. Stop arguing and take heed unto thyself...
You must not be talking about me...I'm not disagreeable...it's just that your brain turns to mush when confronted with Christ and eternity.
Your "Agree with me or Go to Hell" schtick is a laughably self-righteous attempt to compel gullible minds to agree with your silly little worldview. Sell it elsewhere...I ain't buying. Life is too damned short to spend it debating the number of angels that can fit on a pinhead with the likes of you and your I'll. Bozo, boy...MUD "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Hey Bucky...I took EWE off of BOZO as I added our self-righteous BibleThumper to BOZO. So Bucky...what do EWE have to say for yerself?! "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
ZackLEE...MUD "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Interesting post...do NOT be surprised when I come picking yer brain about some questions I have about the Good Book. Too much going on right now, but when things quiet down a tad, you and me are gonna confer. Regards...MUD BTW....for instance, there is very scant record of Jesus' life throughout his 20's...back then, most men married and procreated by the time they turned 30. Not our Lord and Savior, according to the sources sanctified by the PowersThatBe who compiled, translated, printed, and promoted the Bible we value today. As a Bible scholar who seems to appreciate that this "Word of God" was the work of red-blooded men like you or me, are you absolutely convinced that Jesus does NOT have progeny? Yeah, I know this is "Da Vinci Code" conspiracy stuff, but I believe there is a decent possibility that the blood of Jesus lives on in humanity to this day. Feel free to disabuse me of this pro-Christian (yet anti- Church) pipe dream...lol. "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
I have no idea if Jesus had kids or not. I kind of doubt it. I think HE was convinced of his "mission from God". Now, I do think he actually did have a mission from God, and I think that the voice did speak from heaven a couple of times speaking about him, so I think he had reason to. I think he also knew about his virgin birth. I'm inclined to believe that those things convinced Jesus he was special. Also, I'm inclined to believe that he fled into Egypt with his family, came back after Herod died, and proceeded to Nazareth. I'm inclined to think that some form of the gifts as described were delivered, and that the gold that was described was used, in part, to get the boy a very, very good education. Maybe some of those details are imagined, and he just knew the stuff because of divine inspiration, but I'm inclined to think he was very well educated as well, despite being the child of commoners, because they had money given to them by people who thought the kid was special. So I think HE thought he was very special, and that this guided his life on a completely unconventional path. And because he thought himself so very special, I don't think he married. Certainly a devout guy in those times, unmarried, would not be having children. I think that we know nothing of Jesus from 12 to 30 because he was quietly living at home, probably burying his father, deepening his knowledge of religious things, and doing his job. And when God was ready for him, he called him to be baptized, and then to face temptation by the Devil, and then to walk around healing people, feeding people, and preaching to them. So, I am inclined to accept the story as written, but not to add some conventional life in there, which would make Jesus into a bad father (neglecting his kids and never mentioning them), and a bad husband (never mentioning his wife). I think he was single. Maybe he was crazy, not divine, but he THOUGHT he was special, and that caused him to behave differently. The healings: you accept them, he was divine, you reject them, and you have to reject the whole story, because a Jesus who could not heal or feed the multitudes would never have gotten the attention he did...unless it's ALL just made up bullshit. I don't believe that it is. But it's possible. In which case there is no evidence of any God at all, and ALL religion is just bullshit. Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists - all crazy. I know there's God, because I've talked to him. So either I'M crazy too, quite sincerely so, or God is real. God and I never talked about Christianity. We have talked about physics, mostly. Nevertheless, the fact that God exists, and has talked to me indicates to me that he has talked to others, and when I look at the different religions, the one that seems most likely to actually be God would be Christianity. Christ SOUNDS LIKE God in many ways. He focuses on exactly the right things: healing the sick, poverty relief, wealth redistribution, doing unto others, and forgiveness. So, the Gospels COULD be complete bullshit. Or they could be partial bullshit and partial truth. I think that the parts that record what Jesus said are mostly accurate. And they are, in fact, the only parts of the Bible that I think matter. The rest is all one source, and does not convey what Jesus taught. The other parts SOUND LIKE Hinduism or Islam or Judaism. But only Jesus sounds like Jesus. So, if you want to talk to me about it, sure. I can introduce you to Jesus as he IS, shorn of all of the extra stuff that has been added to him by the religious.
Thank you, my friend...I have never known you to disappoint. I gotta get my butt showered, shaved, and off to get some stuff done this morning, but when I get some free time, I will respond with a better post, and a couple more questions your thorough response raised. Interesting to wonder at what point young Jesus realized that he was DEFINITELY the Son of God, becuz before that realization, our Savior had to be having sincere questions about his mental well-being...MUD "NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
I will always be happy to answer your question and talk with you.
I will always be happy to answer your question and talk with you. Obviously I don't FEAR Revelation, because the parts where Jesus speaks make sense and fit with the other things Jesus said. And the fever dream stuff doesn't make any sense anyway, so who cares? Doesn't matter if I die because Wormwood crushes my head, or the Red Dragon kills me, or I have a chest clutcher in 15 years. Dead is dead. Dying in the Apocalypse just means that you may not have enough time in Gehenna to pay for any unforgiven sins...but the obvious fact OF the Apocalypse means that you're going to be much more punctilious about forgiving. Or at least I will. YMMV. I don't think the end of the world will be anything like John's fever dream.
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment, Jesus never talked about Gehenna. It is antichrist bullshit.
And you never raised lizards and cockroaches or whatever from the dead. It is your imagination and self delusion. We should believe you and not the Bible. No thanks dork.
Vic: I will always be happy to answer your question The blind leading the blind? Yep...there's a meme for that...
Pisces Moon in Gemini Ascendant in Leo/Virgo
Considering all the folks who have lived much of their lives believing they were indeed living in the End Times, going back a coupla Millenia, fuels my cynicism as well. If I had a nickel for every past Prophet of Doom who obviously was 100% incorrect in their fervently-held beliefs of impending planet- wide catastrophe, well, I would have a whole lotta nickels...MUD
"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"
Yeah, see, this is why I said "No thanks" to this website and you a long time ago. Coming here, I get yelled at by half-dead men. Why? Going away again. Mudboy, I'll miss you.
You're right. We should doubt everything you say about the Bible, and we should believe you that lizards were raised from the dead at your request to God. Anyone who doesn't believe lizards were raised from the dead is not worthy of your greatness.
#2. To: A K A Stone mudboy slim, vicomte13, stoner (#1)
#3. To: watchman (#2)
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#4. To: A K A Stone, Fred Mertz, sneaky Pete, goldilucky, Badeye, BufordP, ironman, kristin, holdonnow (#3)
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#5. To: Mudboy Slim (#3)
biblical evidence that God is, in actuality, a dude?
God created man in his own image v.27
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matt 1:23
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16:13
#6. To: Mudboy Slim (#4)
does the all-Powerful Diety necessarily have a Johnson?
And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. Luke 2:21
#7. To: Mudboy Slim (#3)
As a committed DEIST steadily making the transition over to full-blown Christian,
#8. To: watchman (#5)
#9. To: watchman (#7)
#10. To: watchman (#6)
#11. To: Mudboy Slim (#10)
I have wondered how he made it to the ripe old age of 33
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 1Tim1:15
#12. To: Mudboy Slim (#9)
I prefer informed consent...
#13. To: watchman (#11)
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#14. To: Mudboy Slim (#13)
...still
#15. To: watchman (#12)
#16. To: watchman (#14)
#17. To: Mudboy Slim (#16)
just asking valid questions
#18. To: watchman (#11)
#19. To: watchman (#17)
#20. To: watchman (#2)
#21. To: watchman (#5)
#22. To: Mudboy Slim (#3)
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#23. To: Vicomte13 (#22)
#24. To: Vicomte13 (#22)
#25. To: Vicomte13 (#22)
In God's image he made them, male and female he made them.
The word "Elohiym" in Hebrew - "God(s)" - is a PLURAL noun.
"God" in Hebrew is not a "He". It's a "them".
#26. To: Vicomte13 (#21)
The holy spirit is a He in English. In Hebrew, she is a she, always. In Greek, the Holy Spirit is always an "It".
However when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak from Himself, but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak; and He will show you things to come. John 16:13
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
#27. To: Vicomte13 (#20)
Genesis is in the Bible just fine. It's just not literally true.
#28. To: watchman (#26)
Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as "He."
#29. To: Mudboy Slim (#28)
innate gender bias
#30. To: watchman (#29)
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#31. To: Mudboy Slim (#30)
just wondering why most peoples and religions assume our All-Powerful Deity is a paternal entity.
If all those people who were recording "The Word" were women
#32. To: watchman (#31)
#33. To: Mudboy Slim (#32)
I don't think posing sincere questions is the work of Satan, my friend.
#34. To: Vicomte13 (#21)
#35. To: watchman (#33)
#36. To: Mudboy Slim (#35)
We good then
#37. To: watchman (#36)
#38. To: Mudboy Slim (#37)
sincere questions about the Holy Bible
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
#39. To: watchman, vicomte13 (#38)
#40. To: watchman (#38)
#41. To: watchman (#38)
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#42. To: Mudboy Slim (#41)
As an Architect,
I was taught that the Earth is in a constant state of Entropy...That philosophy
#43. To: watchman (#42)
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#45. To: watchman (#42)
#46. To: watchman (#42)
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#47. To: Mudboy Slim (#44)
I was taught that the Earth is in a constant state of Entropy
the fact that there are constantly struggles to be overcome in life
our meager efforts to exert our individual wills to create some semblance of Order-and thereby Peace--
Nietzsche
#48. To: watchman (#47)
#49. To: watchman (#47)
"your efforts have failed and will continue to fail..."
#50. To: Mudboy Slim (#46)
Almost all the Founding Fathers were DEISTs
#51. To: Mudboy Slim (#48)
EWE are obsessed with TheDevil, ain't ya, boy?!
#52. To: Mudboy Slim (#48)
Nietzsche, amongst others...to be a genuine optimist
#53. To: watchman (#52)
#54. To: Mudboy Slim (#53)
I assume he was an atheist
#55. To: watchman (#26)
#56. To: Mudboy Slim (#43)
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what's YOUR sign?!
#57. To: Vicomte13 (#56)
Whine away, wankers...
#58. To: Vicomte13 (#55)
#59. To: watchman (#54)
#60. To: Stoner (#59)
Notice who had the last word
#61. To: Stoner (#59)
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"Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God."
#62. To: Vicomte13 (#56)
I'm a Taurus...which means that I am fixed earth and stubborn as a...well, as a bull.
with an apparently evil bent, I start to get really ANGRY, I will fucking sting you again and again and leave you to DIE, I really do want to murder you in your sleep, the locus of evil
1 They came to the other side of the sea, to the country of the Gerasenes.2 And when he had stepped out of the boat, immediately a man out of the tombs with an unclean spirit met him. 3 He lived among the tombs; and no one could restrain him any more, even with a chain; 4 for he had often been restrained with shackles and chains, but the chains he wrenched apart, and the shackles he broke in pieces; and no one had the strength to subdue him. 5 Night and day among the tombs and on the mountains he was always howling and bruising himself with stones. 6 When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and bowed down before him; 7 and he shouted at the top of his voice, “What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I adjure you by God, do not torment me.” 8 For he had said to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!” 9 Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” He replied, “My name is Legion; for we are many.” 10 He begged him earnestly not to send them out of the country. 11 Now there on the hillside a great herd of swine was feeding; 12 and the unclean spirits begged him, “Send us into the swine; let us enter them.” 13 So he gave them permission. And the unclean spirits came out and entered the swine; and the herd, numbering about two thousand, rushed down the steep bank into the sea, and were drowned in the sea.
14 The swineherds ran off and told it in the city and in the country. Then people came to see what it was that had happened. 15 They came to Jesus and saw the demoniac sitting there, clothed and in his right mind, the very man who had had the legion;
#63. To: watchman (#62)
#64. To: Vicomte13 (#63)
If Jesus shows up and it's really Jesus, sure, I'll bow down.
Bow down to some man who claims to know what Jesus was all about? Hard pass.
I know Jesus as well as any man alive, having read him over and over, in English, in French, cross referenced in Latin, in Greek, in Aramaic. And I've gone through the drill of doing a complete harmony of everything he ever said or did.
#65. To: watchman (#54)
#66. To: Vicomte13 (#63)
"Hard pass."
#67. To: watchman (#64)
#68. To: Mudboy Slim (#66)
My relationship with Him
#69. To: Mudboy Slim (#67)
Judge not lest ye be judged,
Saint Peter, so quit acting like you possess the Keys to Heaven
#70. To: watchman (#68)
#71. To: watchman (#69)
Show me where I judged...
#72. To: Mudboy Slim (#71)
your interpretation of Scripture
#73. To: Mudboy Slim (#67)
#74. To: Vicomte13 (#73)
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#75. To: Vicomte13 (#73)
What is the point?
#76. To: Mudboy Slim (#74)
...some folks just seem to go out of their way to be disagreeable.
#77. To: watchman (#76)
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#78. To: buckeroo (#77)
#79. To: Vicomte13 (#73)
"What is the point?"
#80. To: Vicomte13 (#63)
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#81. To: Mudboy Slim (#80)
#82. To: Vicomte13 (#81)
#83. To: Mudboy Slim (#82)
#84. To: Mudboy Slim (#82)
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#85. To: Vicomte13 (#84)
Obviously I don't FEAR Revelation
#86. To: Vicomte13 (#84)
Dying in the Apocalypse just means that you may not have enough time in Gehenna
#87. To: Vicomte13 (#84)
I don't think the end of the world will be anything like John's fever dream.
#88. To: A K A Stone, Vicomte13, Mudbozo Slim (#85)
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Mud: picking yer brain about some questions I have
#89. To: Vicomte13 (#56)
#90. To: Vicomte13 (#84)
#91. To: A K A Stone (#87)
#92. To: Vicomte13 (#91)
Going away again.
#93. To: Vicomte13 (#91)
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