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Title: Genesis Chapter 1
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Published: Jan 29, 2022
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Post Date: 2022-01-29 12:13:46 by A K A Stone
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1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

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#39. To: watchman, vicomte13 (#38)

Why? Maaan...it is too early in the day and I have a lotta crap to get done today, but I will "circle back" and address that question later. I pinged V13 just because...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-02-08   8:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: watchman (#38)

Briefly, though...free will and our ability to serve as protagonists in the world around us...the omnipotent Creator didn't make WeThePeople to be couch potatoes and mind- numbed Sheeple watching helplessLEE as the RATZ/RINOZ slowly enact their Marxist MasterPlanz...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-02-08   8:41:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: watchman (#38) (Edited)

Why do we exist? What is the purpose of Life?

In short, I would hope to leave my time on God's Creation with the World around me being a little bit better place than when I arrived. As an Architect, I was taught that the Earth is in a constant state of Entropy, so anything I design and build is a scar upon God's Landscape, so it had best be a conscious design purpose and a positive addition. That philosophy applies to whatever one does for a living...make the lives of others better and you will be rewarded accordingLEE.

So, in short, we are here to serve as God's Agents, sent here to make His Creation a Greater America/World...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-02-10   5:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Mudboy Slim (#41)

As an Architect,

Well dang, Mud. Now I'm curious...

You describe yourself as an "Architect".

What does that mean? Is it a title within your deist religion?

I was taught that the Earth is in a constant state of Entropy...That philosophy

Is this a School of Philosophy I should be familiar with? Who "taught" you?

watchman  posted on  2022-02-10   7:38:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: watchman (#42)

LOL...it mean I graduated from the University of Virginia School of Architecture in 1985, and I finally got in my apprenticeship years in, passed the licensing exam first time in 1992 and have been a Registered.Architect ever since. Nothing more...let's not go reading a bunch of Matrix weirdness into my line of work...lol. I am also a Class A Contractor, which makes me a Builder, and since I put ALL my projects together and also have my own Realtor's license, I qualify as a greedy Real Estate Developer as well.

On the plus side, however, I am a Stoner and a Professional Disc Golf player, as well as a Gemini... what's YOUR sign?!

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-02-10   10:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: watchman (#42)

Entropy?. Nietzsche, amongst others...to be a genuine optimist, you gotta acknowledge and come to grips with the fact that there are constantly struggles to be overcome in life, and our meager efforts to exert our individual wills to create some semblance of Order--and thereby Peace--can, over time and with the assistance of others of like mind will eventually result in positive change, as WE see it...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-02-10   10:15:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: watchman (#42)

If you agree that there is ONE omnipotent Power in all creation, then you too are a DEIST. The Greeks, Egyptians, and Norsemen, OTOH were Pagans aka Heathens aka Infidels...so we must kill them.

Not really...but sorta really...gypsies, native Americans, indigenous peoples everywhere...

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-02-10   10:23:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: watchman (#42) (Edited)

Almost all the Founding Fathers were DEISTs... and it is less a Religion than a pattern or way of thinking...

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-02-10   10:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Mudboy Slim (#44)

I was taught that the Earth is in a constant state of Entropy

Didn't realize they taught Entropy at the University of Virginia School of Architecture...so you can imagine my confusion.

the fact that there are constantly struggles to be overcome in life

Life didn't start out this way as you read in Genesis 1. As you continue to read the Book of Genesis you will find out how the struggle entered into our existence: the fall of man which brought the curse on the whole Universe.

our meager efforts to exert our individual wills to create some semblance of Order-and thereby Peace--

You must come to grips that your efforts have failed and will continue to fail...apart from God Who is Jesus Christ (the God of the Bible).

Nietzsche

With the masonic hidden hand (which I only noticed just now)...

Tells me absolutely everything I need to know about Nietzsche...just another devil worshipper (he worshipped Lucifer as do all masons/fools).

watchman  posted on  2022-02-10   10:48:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: watchman (#47)

I am no fan of the UBER-pessimist, Freidrich Nietzche, devil-worshipper or not...lol!! I know what they teach you in Intro to Philosophy 101 at UVA back in the early-80s, and I have not been making Masonic tribute to him ever since...sheeesh!!

EWE are obsessed with TheDevil, ain't ya, boy?!

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-02-10   10:57:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: watchman (#47)

"your efforts have failed and will continue to fail..."

Says EWE, ya inconsequential MORON...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-02-10   10:59:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Mudboy Slim (#46)

Almost all the Founding Fathers were DEISTs

If by Deists, you mean belonging to some dumbass secret society...

watchman  posted on  2022-02-10   11:01:18 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Mudboy Slim (#48)

EWE are obsessed with TheDevil, ain't ya, boy?!

No. But he is the ruler of this fallen world.

Only a fool would ignore Satan's control of people and governments.

watchman  posted on  2022-02-10   11:04:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Mudboy Slim (#48)

Nietzsche, amongst others...to be a genuine optimist

UBER-pessimist, Freidrich Nietzche,

Is Nietzsche an optimist or pessimist...make up your mind

watchman  posted on  2022-02-10   11:10:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: watchman (#52)

I said I.am an Optimist, but Nietzchez World was dark and gloomy. I am no expert, but I assume he was an atheist, which might just explain a lot about his EEyore attitude about life...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-02-10   16:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Mudboy Slim (#53)

I assume he was an atheist

Who doesn't recall this bit of old graffiti?

watchman  posted on  2022-02-10   21:01:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: watchman (#26)

No, Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit as pneuma,which is always neutral.

In John 14, he refers to the Paraclete, which is a masculine noun, and he uses the masculine pronoun to refer back to the Paraclete - which would be required in Greek.

Jesus never uses a masculine pronoun to refer to the spirit, because spirit is not masculine in Greek.

Of course, Jesus spoke Aramaic, and if you refer to the Aramic Peshitta, the ancient Aramaic text of the Gospels (which contains the words of Jesus in the Aramaic in which he spoke them), he always refers to the Holy Spirit using Ruah, which is a feminine noun in Aramaic, and he always uses a feminine pronoun.

So actually Jesus always referred to the Holy Spirit as a SHE, if one wants to really burrow down. Jesus spoke Aramaic to his people, not Greek. The Gospels are a translation of what he said. The Aramaic Peshitta is what he actuallly said.

Vicomte13  posted on  2022-02-11   11:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Mudboy Slim (#43) (Edited)

what's YOUR sign?!

I'm a Taurus...which means that I am fixed earth and stubborn as a...well, as a bull. There is no POINT in arguing with me about anything. I'm always right, or think I am, and I will never, ever change my mind.

And I have a Scorpio Moon, full moon, actually, and was born at night. Water, but fixed water. DOUBLY stubborn - there is no more stubborn person than me, really. And smart. But with an apparently evil bent. I don't simply dig in, I start to get really ANGRY when people keep pushing me. And with that Scorpio full there, born at night, I won't just stomp the ground like a bull. I'll do that FIRST. But if you keep pushing me, I will fucking sting you again and again and leave you to DIE.

No point in arguing with me. Just look at what I say, see it as very pure, and understand that if you keep arguing with me past a certain point, I really do want to murder you in your sleep. And what good is THAT?

Pisces Ascendant. Which means that I'm all spiritual and soft sounding. So, stubborn iron and murder, but with a gentle exterior that is deceptive.

And Lilith, the "dark moon", the locus of evil in the chart? It's in Scorpio - a nightmare sign: "Sex and death hold an equal fascination! The transience of life and the constant presence of death in their thoughts make these people keep their senses alert at all times, ready to furiously and disdainfully snatch and raid what they please from life. They don’t believe in luck, and they constantly put it to the test whether through gamble or other vices with life itself as the stake."

In truth, I'm a freaking astrological nightmare.

Now, I don't believe that the stars determine anything. I think they're placeholders. I DO think that the time of the year you're born and the influence of the moon's gravity (which moves the tides 60 feet every day in the Bay of Fundy) DOES affect us, not mysteriously but concretely. But then, I WOULD say that, wouldn't I, being a Taurus, Scorpio moon, Lilith in Scorpio.

Of course I say this knowing that the wankers will whine. There is no innocence here. Whine away, wankers! You make me smile.

Vicomte13  posted on  2022-02-11   11:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Vicomte13 (#56)

Whine away, wankers...

My advice to ALL Dem brainwashed Marxist snowflakes...let them bitch!!

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-02-11   15:10:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Vicomte13 (#55)

The autographs were written in Greek.

Once again, the gender of a noun does not always reflect the gender of a person.

watchman  posted on  2022-02-11   18:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: watchman (#54)

Notice who had the last word

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)

"No one ever rescues an old dog. They lay in a cage until they die. PLEASE save one. None of us wants to die cold and alone... --Dennis Olson "

People that say money can't buy you happiness, have never paid an adoption fee

Stoner  posted on  2022-02-11   19:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Stoner (#59)

Notice who had the last word

I noticed...and you noticed...but others here...not so much.

Perhaps as the days pass and events continue to unfold (distress, tribulation, hunger)...folks will begin to notice Who has the last word in all of our lives.

watchman  posted on  2022-02-11   20:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Stoner (#59) (Edited)

"Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God."

Great quote...who was the author again? Almost as classic as Virginia's state motto, "Sic Semper Tyrannus...Thus Always to Tyrants". This Nation was founded by REBELS who were rejecting the Great PlutocRATZ Across the Sea, and America has thrived by keeping that Federal Bureaucracy relatively small and not Union-RATZ selling their souls and our National Security to the Chi-Comz.

If WeThePeople have the CAJONES to make a stand, then the Trump Tsunami of November 2024 could be the death knell for Marxism in North America, as Trump/DeSantis root out the Marxist AppaRATchix in the DeeCeeSwamp, root and stem. RATZ can see this coming, and many are desperate...by all means necessary, be prepared for just about ANYTHING from these SJWers, RATZ have been brainwashed to believe laws do not apply to them as long as these fascist RAT Brownshirtz continue to do the bidding of their DeeCee SwampMasterz...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-02-12   7:06:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Vicomte13 (#56)

I'm a Taurus...which means that I am fixed earth and stubborn as a...well, as a bull.

You are ever so funny, in both an evil and transience of life sort of way, of course.

I happened to purchase a bull calf last fall. He's a dandy. He had lived his first two months of life in an 8x8 stall, so you can imagine how happy he was to be turned out on some lush green grass. And he grew accordingly on that grass and leftover milk from my cows. As I was reading your comment, I looked out to see him flying across the paddock...500lb bull meets 1000lb momma cow. He tried to do that "fixed earth" on her and, well...

There's a moral to the story for you somewhere in my barnyard yarn, bully boy. I just don't know what it is.

As to the rest of your terrible condition...

with an apparently evil bent, I start to get really ANGRY, I will fucking sting you again and again and leave you to DIE, I really do want to murder you in your sleep, the locus of evil

...I'd say it's nothing more than good ole demonic possession...and Jesus has healed much worse than you, Vic

1 They came to the other side of the sea, to the country of the Gerasenes.2 And when he had stepped out of the boat, immediately a man out of the tombs with an unclean spirit met him. 3 He lived among the tombs; and no one could restrain him any more, even with a chain; 4 for he had often been restrained with shackles and chains, but the chains he wrenched apart, and the shackles he broke in pieces; and no one had the strength to subdue him. 5 Night and day among the tombs and on the mountains he was always howling and bruising himself with stones. 6 When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and bowed down before him; 7 and he shouted at the top of his voice, “What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I adjure you by God, do not torment me.” 8 For he had said to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!” 9 Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” He replied, “My name is Legion; for we are many.” 10 He begged him earnestly not to send them out of the country. 11 Now there on the hillside a great herd of swine was feeding; 12 and the unclean spirits begged him, “Send us into the swine; let us enter them.” 13 So he gave them permission. And the unclean spirits came out and entered the swine; and the herd, numbering about two thousand, rushed down the steep bank into the sea, and were drowned in the sea.

14 The swineherds ran off and told it in the city and in the country. Then people came to see what it was that had happened. 15 They came to Jesus and saw the demoniac sitting there, clothed and in his right mind, the very man who had had the legion;

I have preached this great message to hundreds of men at homeless shelters. They come in smelly, depressed, often raging, and hear what Jesus did for one such as them...leaving them clothed, sitting down, and in their right minds. There's hope for you, too.

If only you would bow down before Him.

watchman  posted on  2022-02-13   9:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: watchman (#62)

If Jesus shows up and it's really Jesus, sure, I'll bow down.

Bow down to some man who claims to know what Jesus was all about? Hard pass.

I know Jesus as well as any man alive, having read him over and over, in English, in French, cross referenced in Latin, in Greek, in Aramaic.

And I've gone through the drill of doing a complete harmony of everything he ever said or did. So I know not just what he is said to have said, but when, in the scheme of things, he is said to have said it.

Some of it is contradictory. And I know what that is.

There are lots of guys out there who claim to speak for Jesus, but who don't connect what Jesus said in one place to what he said in another.

I used to argue with them. I don't bother anymore.

Vicomte13  posted on  2022-02-15   17:28:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Vicomte13 (#63)

If Jesus shows up and it's really Jesus, sure, I'll bow down.

He has already shown up. When He shows up again it will be too late (for you).

Bow down to some man who claims to know what Jesus was all about? Hard pass.

Are you talking about the Pope?

I know Jesus as well as any man alive, having read him over and over, in English, in French, cross referenced in Latin, in Greek, in Aramaic. And I've gone through the drill of doing a complete harmony of everything he ever said or did.

That's a tremendous amount of reading, cross referencing, and harmonizing just to come up empty. Judging by your intensive study, I see that you do want something. Did not Jesus speak to you directly when He said..."You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me...

...BUT YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO COME TO ME THAT YOU MAY HAVE LIFE".

watchman  posted on  2022-02-15   18:32:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: watchman (#54)

#DiePutinDie!!

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-02-28   13:18:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Vicomte13 (#63)

"Hard pass."

Yep...dittos.

My relationship with Him ain't up for debate with a bunch of faceless Screen Names...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-02-28   13:25:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: watchman (#64)

Judge not lest ye be judged, dude ..you ain't Saint Peter, so quit acting like you possess the Keys to Heaven....MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-02-28   13:28:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Mudboy Slim (#66)

My relationship with Him

You said you are a deist.

You believe in an impersonal God, so how can you have a relationship with God?

Deists by definition do not have a relationship with God.

watchman  posted on  2022-02-28   17:47:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Mudboy Slim (#67)

Judge not lest ye be judged,

Show me where I judged.

Saint Peter, so quit acting like you possess the Keys to Heaven

Here is where you've gone tripping off into some whacked out Catholic doctrine whereby you believe that "Saint Peter" will be standing at the "pearly gates" deciding who enters heaven and who is rejected.

watchman  posted on  2022-02-28   17:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: watchman (#68)

I said I WAS a DEIST before becoming a Christian...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-03-03   12:13:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: watchman (#69)

Show me where I judged...

Every time you tell someone they are damned to Hell if they don't OBEY your interpretation of Scripture...makes you look silly.

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-03-03   12:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Mudboy Slim (#71)

your interpretation of Scripture

Which Scripture are you referring to?

And why is my interpretation of that Scripture "silly"?

watchman  posted on  2022-03-03   14:46:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Mudboy Slim (#67)

watchman, for instance.

I'm not going to bother arguing with him. What is the point?

Vicomte13  posted on  2022-03-07   11:00:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Vicomte13 (#73) (Edited)

I try to read, question, and learn from the articles and resultant discussions around here...some folks just seem to go out of their way to be disagreeable. I agree, life is too short to get involved in such a pointless debate.

Regards...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-03-07   14:05:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Vicomte13 (#73)

What is the point?

Exactly.

Stop arguing and take heed unto thyself...

watchman  posted on  2022-03-07   17:46:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Mudboy Slim (#74)

...some folks just seem to go out of their way to be disagreeable.

You must not be talking about me...I'm not disagreeable...it's just that your brain turns to mush when confronted with Christ and eternity.

watchman  posted on  2022-03-07   17:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: watchman (#76) (Edited)

Your "Agree with me or Go to Hell" schtick is a laughably self-righteous attempt to compel gullible minds to agree with your silly little worldview. Sell it elsewhere...I ain't buying.

Life is too damned short to spend it debating the number of angels that can fit on a pinhead with the likes of you and your I'll.

Bozo, boy...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-03-08   13:50:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: buckeroo (#77)

Hey Bucky...I took EWE off of BOZO as I added our self-righteous BibleThumper to BOZO.

So Bucky...what do EWE have to say for yerself?!

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-03-08   13:54:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Vicomte13 (#73)

"What is the point?"

ZackLEE...MUD

"NOW...Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan!!"

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2022-03-08   13:57:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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